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November 02, 2017, 01:57:25 PM
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new price of 741 is 898 USD..

Delivery 28th December..

(from minerwarez)

Got to milk it before releasing the new stuff everyone is going to want to have...LOL
https://canaan.io/product/bulk-pack-resell/
MSRP is 800 for A741, 20 for AUC3.  So they are charging an extra 78.
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November 02, 2017, 11:30:52 PM
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It would be great if a European distributor - import duties are absolutely crippling!

Unless the new self-courier service from minerwarez has some scope to "ease" the import tax value

What are you talking about?

There are no import duties for EU, just Vat and the usual shippers handling fees. Any European distributor will have to still pay VAT on imports and will just pass it on and add it to the price.

The only way to mine without VAT is nog to Import Chinese miners Into the EU. Have them shipped to a hosting company in the US or China or Iceland or just anywhere without VAT on imports.

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November 02, 2017, 11:36:38 PM
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For the possible EU area distributor the VAT tax is problematic, because it brings the pressure to have a high enough resell price to cover all costs.

Then one problem also is that the EU wants you to provide two year warranty for your customers, where as Canaan only provides 90-day warranty for the Avalonminer..
This can be quite costly as well if the distributor has to pay for repair after 90 days.


Consumer quarantees http://europa.eu/youreurope/business/sell-abroad/client-guarantee-redress/index_en.htm

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November 03, 2017, 03:33:54 AM
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https://www.blokforge.com/product/avalon-741/

Avalon 741 (October Batch) $1,199.00    

Should I sell my 741 now or wait?  Grin

They are listed on the Canaan site as an official distributor, but I think the current price is based on them operating as a reseller still. Not sure how things will play out in the future if they will match what minerwarez sells at.

I have heard that Canaan has set what price their distributors get to sell the 741's at.

avalon will release a

14th 1300 watt model

about 1400-1500 usd

Maybe on my birthday in late Jan

Am I the only one with info on this?

If true this would be a little better then the s-9

I think this email conveniently floated out to a lot of people, I recall it saying the numbers are not exact, but it's enough to get me excited. They do know how to create a buzz that's for sure

Our current pricing is based upon dealer/distributor price fluctuation in pricing past two months and very limited supply.  It will level out in the next few months you are correct.
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November 03, 2017, 09:34:00 AM
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It would be great if a European distributor - import duties are absolutely crippling!

Unless the new self-courier service from minerwarez has some scope to "ease" the import tax value

What are you talking about?

There are no import duties for EU, just Vat and the usual shippers handling fees. Any European distributor will have to still pay VAT on imports and will just pass it on and add it to the price.

The only way to mine without VAT is nog to Import Chinese miners Into the EU. Have them shipped to a hosting company in the US or China or Iceland or just anywhere without VAT on imports.

"Just" VAT is 20% - $180 per miner! + there is an import duty, albeit ~3-5% (can't remember which one).

I might actually have a look into hosting companies, although i don't know much about it so i'll have a read up  Grin

Made you look!
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November 03, 2017, 10:48:14 AM
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It would be great if a European distributor - import duties are absolutely crippling!

Unless the new self-courier service from minerwarez has some scope to "ease" the import tax value

What are you talking about?

There are no import duties for EU, just Vat and the usual shippers handling fees. Any European distributor will have to still pay VAT on imports and will just pass it on and add it to the price.

The only way to mine without VAT is nog to Import Chinese miners Into the EU. Have them shipped to a hosting company in the US or China or Iceland or just anywhere without VAT on imports.

"Just" VAT is 20% - $180 per miner! + there is an import duty, albeit ~3-5% (can't remember which one).

I might actually have a look into hosting companies, although i don't know much about it so i'll have a read up  Grin

If you decide to go with a hosting company also think wisely about their location as well.  My hosting company happens to be in the same city as Miner Warez so I got hit with a 6.5% WA State Tax + 1.7% Municipal Tax
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November 03, 2017, 11:02:59 AM
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It would be great if a European distributor - import duties are absolutely crippling!

Unless the new self-courier service from minerwarez has some scope to "ease" the import tax value

What are you talking about?

There are no import duties for EU, just Vat and the usual shippers handling fees. Any European distributor will have to still pay VAT on imports and will just pass it on and add it to the price.

The only way to mine without VAT is nog to Import Chinese miners Into the EU. Have them shipped to a hosting company in the US or China or Iceland or just anywhere without VAT on imports.

"Just" VAT is 20% - $180 per miner! + there is an import duty, albeit ~3-5% (can't remember which one).

I might actually have a look into hosting companies, although i don't know much about it so i'll have a read up  Grin

That's not import duty that's just the handling fees from the carrier. There should be no import duties unless the sender screwed up the paperwork. I know how much UK VAT is (its actually different in different EU countries)

The point I was trying to make is that a reseller will still have to pay the VAT and then will also have to charge VAT when selling within the EU, plus they will add a markup to cover their own costs of stocking, staffing and supporting the business, they will also have to make enough to cover their Corporation tax they pay to the local goverment on their profits, so a local EU distributor will do nothing for the prices here and you will probably end up paying a lot more than if you purchased direct.

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November 03, 2017, 06:24:51 PM
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It would be great if a European distributor - import duties are absolutely crippling!

Unless the new self-courier service from minerwarez has some scope to "ease" the import tax value

What are you talking about?

There are no import duties for EU, just Vat and the usual shippers handling fees. Any European distributor will have to still pay VAT on imports and will just pass it on and add it to the price.

The only way to mine without VAT is nog to Import Chinese miners Into the EU. Have them shipped to a hosting company in the US or China or Iceland or just anywhere without VAT on imports.

"Just" VAT is 20% - $180 per miner! + there is an import duty, albeit ~3-5% (can't remember which one).

I might actually have a look into hosting companies, although i don't know much about it so i'll have a read up  Grin

That's not import duty that's just the handling fees from the carrier. There should be no import duties unless the sender screwed up the paperwork. I know how much UK VAT is (its actually different in different EU countries)

The point I was trying to make is that a reseller will still have to pay the VAT and then will also have to charge VAT when selling within the EU, plus they will add a markup to cover their own costs of stocking, staffing and supporting the business, they will also have to make enough to cover their Corporation tax they pay to the local goverment on their profits, so a local EU distributor will do nothing for the prices here and you will probably end up paying a lot more than if you purchased direct.

The benefit from EU distributor will be a faster response if a problem with the hardware occurs. At the moment if I have a faulty hardware have to send it to the other end of the world. China or US doesn't matter. the process would take probably a month or so. That is the main reason to choose Avalon. They are way better in reliability.
My first order was from canaan directly to Bulgaria and I paid 20% VAT plus I believe 4% import duties. My second order was from Minerwares to UK and then another shipper to Bulgaria. Did not paid any VAT. Saved myself approximately 400$ for 2 pieces.

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November 03, 2017, 06:33:12 PM
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Hardware problems are going to be expensive for a EU area distributor, because the EU declares that you need to provide a two year warranty for sold products.

Canaan warranty is only 90 days.

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November 03, 2017, 06:40:34 PM
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Plus the distributor is going to have to buy the parts from China, again the costs savings will be negligable, however yes, I agree if the distributor sets up a good shop for repairs then the downtime and loss of income will be significantly lower.

As for shipping from Minerwarez to UK and then from UK to Bulgaria and avoiding VAT, I think you were just lucky. Normally anything going into the UK will be subject to 20% VAT unless you lied on the invoice. Risky.

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November 09, 2017, 12:23:07 PM
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Hi,

I read somewhere in this forum that if you point your Avalon to nicehash, the cgminer will restart itself more often than other pool.

Could someone advise me how do I tell that the miner restart itself not because other things like hardware problem, AUC problem, cable problem.

Is there someone ever mine on any pool and the miner never restart itself?
Also what things that will make cgminer restart itself?

Thank you.
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November 09, 2017, 03:15:35 PM
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Hi,

I read somewhere in this forum that if you point your Avalon to nicehash, the cgminer will restart itself more often than other pool.

Could someone advise me how do I tell that the miner restart itself not because other things like hardware problem, AUC problem, cable problem.

Is there someone ever mine on any pool and the miner never restart itself?
Also what things that will make cgminer restart itself?

Thank you.


I mine on nicehash and have never experience a restart unless I told it to.
I have also mined on Kano and Slush with no issues.
You might have another problem if it's restarting itself.
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November 10, 2017, 09:10:48 PM
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I highly doubt the S9s will be Bitmain's newest model for long. Its pretty much a year old at this point.
and how long s9 will live, from your opinion?

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November 10, 2017, 09:13:48 PM
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It would be great if a European distributor - import duties are absolutely crippling!

Unless the new self-courier service from minerwarez has some scope to "ease" the import tax value

What are you talking about?

There are no import duties for EU, just Vat and the usual shippers handling fees. Any European distributor will have to still pay VAT on imports and will just pass it on and add it to the price.

The only way to mine without VAT is nog to Import Chinese miners Into the EU. Have them shipped to a hosting company in the US or China or Iceland or just anywhere without VAT on imports.
US is a great country - they even don't apply VAT and big import taxes on the miners  Grin    Paid $9 for a miner some time ago.   Cheesy

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November 11, 2017, 03:25:51 AM
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It would be great if a European distributor - import duties are absolutely crippling!

Unless the new self-courier service from minerwarez has some scope to "ease" the import tax value

What are you talking about?

There are no import duties for EU, just Vat and the usual shippers handling fees. Any European distributor will have to still pay VAT on imports and will just pass it on and add it to the price.

The only way to mine without VAT is nog to Import Chinese miners Into the EU. Have them shipped to a hosting company in the US or China or Iceland or just anywhere without VAT on imports.
US is a great country - they even don't apply VAT and big import taxes on the miners  Grin    Paid $9 for a miner some time ago.   Cheesy

Where did you get a miner for 9$?
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November 11, 2017, 08:25:22 AM
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It would be great if a European distributor - import duties are absolutely crippling!

Unless the new self-courier service from minerwarez has some scope to "ease" the import tax value

What are you talking about?

There are no import duties for EU, just Vat and the usual shippers handling fees. Any European distributor will have to still pay VAT on imports and will just pass it on and add it to the price.

The only way to mine without VAT is nog to Import Chinese miners Into the EU. Have them shipped to a hosting company in the US or China or Iceland or just anywhere without VAT on imports.
US is a great country - they even don't apply VAT and big import taxes on the miners  Grin    Paid $9 for a miner some time ago.   Cheesy

Where did you get a miner for 9$?

Oh, I was talking about import tax  Cheesy Cheesy

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November 11, 2017, 08:34:54 AM
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UPDATES:


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Thanks,
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November 11, 2017, 10:26:48 AM
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Wanted to give a BIG shoutout to Canaan creative. You guys took a while to RMA my miner, but its here! and it works perfectly! Thankyou Steve and Lily for all the help! Looking forward to your next big update!
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November 11, 2017, 12:54:06 PM
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*yawn* what'd i miss in the last 20 pages?
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November 11, 2017, 02:16:23 PM
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UPDATES:


Good Day ,


Thanks,
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Any more updates in regards to the next Avalon model?

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