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March 16, 2020, 04:46:37 PM
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The thing about leverage part is, when it is closer to maximum bet the results are like this ; one big whale bets a big amount, ends up winning, leveraged investor loses all he has, has nothing left, whale eventually loses, but the leveraged person is all out so he can't take advantage of it.

So, as you can see when you invest regularly you take advantage of everything, you never go to full on zero and you still make a profit, however when you are leveraged there is really no way of making profit if the whale first wins and loses only afterwards. I know why they do it tho, they want to leverage it because they imagine if whale ends up losing first and winning later, they could actually make a decent profit, they could x10 their entry and that would be more than great, so they risk it.

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March 17, 2020, 06:38:57 PM
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Well said! There are benefits of both public and private ways. Going public (shares or bankroll) also means more transparency too, which is generally a good thing. Going private mean you have more freedom in managing the funds you have.

Anyway, the idea that has been sitting in my head for a while is:

1. All coins could be open for investments,

2. Commission would be based on wagered amounts (expected profit), not pure profit. This means if the commission was 40%, the commission would be 0.4 BTC from every 100 BTC wagered (with 1% house edge). There are a few benefits for the investors:
  - no "commission runs" - the commission would be taken in real time, which means your investments value is what you get when you close it
  - if players lose more than "expected 1% of wagered", it's investors' gain
  - yes, this would put a bit more risk on the investors in case there are big wins on the site with lots of wagering.
On the other hand, it protects the site (us) in a situation when players win a large portion of bankroll, and the site still needs to pay referral/rakeback bonuses. It would also help us get a steady income-to-expenses ratio.

3. There would be no "leverage" setting - almost all investments were at x10 leverage anyway, so I don't think there is much point in having that option IMHO. This would simplify things A LOT for us. We'd just set max bet profit to %1 of the bankroll.

4. For the time of competitions we'd pause all 3rd party investments for a given coin. That's because we'd still like to add 50% of the site profit to these competitions, and we couldn't do it with other investments active. Competitions happen every 2-4 weeks, we have 4 coins, so a given investment would be paused every 8-16 weeks for one week.

What do you say?

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Seems like a pretty good system to me.
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March 18, 2020, 04:10:03 AM
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The thing about leverage part is, when it is closer to maximum bet the results are like this ; one big whale bets a big amount, ends up winning, leveraged investor loses all he has, has nothing left, whale eventually loses, but the leveraged person is all out so he can't take advantage of it.

So, as you can see when you invest regularly you take advantage of everything, you never go to full on zero and you still make a profit, however when you are leveraged there is really no way of making profit if the whale first wins and loses only afterwards. I know why they do it tho, they want to leverage it because they imagine if whale ends up losing first and winning later, they could actually make a decent profit, they could x10 their entry and that would be more than great, so they risk it.

This doesn't only apply to YOLOdice it applies to pretty much everything out there that makes investments possible with leverage. Investing in the stock market is no different and same with bitcoin futures like Bitmex which gives 100x leverage. Why do they do it? Well its simple, the exchange doesn't care who wins or loses they just want to get more in commissions, so if you are given 2x leverage ,they can get 2x in commissions.

I don't think leveraging bankroll is a good idea either, for investments such as this they should be purely 1x. In many markets leverage is the reason why so many people lose money. Pretty much anyone with took any leverage greater than 1x on bitcoin trading in the past couple of weeks would of been liquidated or pretty close. And there is a good chance that $3500 might of been the low. So the leveraged people got liquidated, while the market recovered right after. In leveraged casino bankroll investing its no different. However it should just be removed to keeps things simple.

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March 18, 2020, 06:09:11 AM
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I don't think leveraging bankroll is a good idea either, for investments such as this they should be purely 1x.

Bankroll investment leverage should be used to reduce counterparty risk (good use). However, when you offer 10x leverage, no one actually uses it for that purpose; just to keep up. Against a large whale playing for max, 10x leverage gives you so little time to add to your investment that it's a lot less practical for reducing couterparty risk.

Optimally I'd like to see YOLODice offer 2x leverage but if it's a lot simpler to just do 1x, it's probably not worth it.

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March 18, 2020, 07:58:03 AM
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Whatever the opinions of everyone here it does seem we can all agree on one thing,,, even if you find leverage ability useful, the shortfalls and extra vulnerabilities to your own bankroll is far worse for you to consider it. I think the simplest is just to have no leverage in this case,,, and then to test something small like 2x down the line in a small sample group. Or offer it as a Level requirement?

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Whatever the opinions of everyone here it does seem we can all agree on one thing,,, even if you find leverage ability useful, the shortfalls and extra vulnerabilities to your own bankroll is far worse for you to consider it. I think the simplest is just to have no leverage in this case,,, and then to test something small like 2x down the line in a small sample group. Or offer it as a Level requirement?

I'd do either no leverage or allow a leverage that would be equal to 2 times Kelly (Kelly considering the casino's fees from investors).
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March 18, 2020, 05:01:31 PM
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Honestly when you are offering 2x leverage, you might as well stick to 1x, it is still risky yet not making you THAT much money to worth it. If it was 100x I would kind of understand it though.

I know it makes no sense to leverage your investment to 100x for a gambling place but honestly when you get in now and have 100x leverage, you will most likely lose all your money, that is like 99% chance, however with that 1% chance you will probably make so much money that your initial deposit would be dwarfed by the profit you made from it.

It is an insane risk but to be honest gamblers and investors are basically the same if you ask me, no non-gambler ever invests into a casino in my opinion, if you are looking into investing into a casino that means you probably played there before as well.

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March 18, 2020, 09:28:15 PM
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Honestly when you are offering 2x leverage, you might as well stick to 1x, it is still risky yet not making you THAT much money to worth it. If it was 100x I would kind of understand it though.

Being able to reduce my counterparty risk by 50% is very significant. This isn't about making more money, but rather protecting myself against hacks/a potential exit scam. (not that I'm saying either would happen to YOLODice, but it's always a possibility)

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March 20, 2020, 10:34:23 AM
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Honestly when you are offering 2x leverage, you might as well stick to 1x, it is still risky yet not making you THAT much money to worth it. If it was 100x I would kind of understand it though.

Being able to reduce my counterparty risk by 50% is very significant. This isn't about making more money, but rather protecting myself against hacks/a potential exit scam. (not that I'm saying either would happen to YOLODice, but it's always a possibility)

Agreed 100%. I play at many sites and used to invest in all (now they all no longer do) and as much as I support the services I love and promote them to others, I will always tell people the same things,,, risk only what you can afford to lose when you have to trust a service with your coin. We all have seen far too many times sites just get hacked or exit scam after years of good work. I hope it never happens to any site where people have money inside.

But if you can even halve that exposure by doing x2, you should take it no question.

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March 24, 2020, 12:30:37 PM
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Honestly when you are offering 2x leverage, you might as well stick to 1x, it is still risky yet not making you THAT much money to worth it. If it was 100x I would kind of understand it though.

Being able to reduce my counterparty risk by 50% is very significant. This isn't about making more money, but rather protecting myself against hacks/a potential exit scam. (not that I'm saying either would happen to YOLODice, but it's always a possibility)

Agreed 100%. I play at many sites and used to invest in all (now they all no longer do) and as much as I support the services I love and promote them to others, I will always tell people the same things,,, risk only what you can afford to lose when you have to trust a service with your coin. We all have seen far too many times sites just get hacked or exit scam after years of good work. I hope it never happens to any site where people have money inside.

But if you can even halve that exposure by doing x2, you should take it no question.

I don't think the issue about reducing the exposure. I think it's to level the playing field for everyone. Before on YD you could choose anywhere from 1x to 10x. All the big fish were 10x, so if someone wanted to invest and make anything off of it they would also have to invest at 10x -- or be so vastly out leveraged that it wasn't worth their time.

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March 25, 2020, 02:53:24 PM
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Made a new personal record today. Rolled on max win chance for 211 rolls in a row, switching every time I saw a <10 or >990 and getting it right somehow;) Never made it to Top 25 so fast.

Looks like we are seeing more bets with coronavirus lockdown I guess? Even chat seems more active than usual:)

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March 25, 2020, 08:02:26 PM
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Honestly when you are offering 2x leverage, you might as well stick to 1x, it is still risky yet not making you THAT much money to worth it. If it was 100x I would kind of understand it though.

Being able to reduce my counterparty risk by 50% is very significant. This isn't about making more money, but rather protecting myself against hacks/a potential exit scam. (not that I'm saying either would happen to YOLODice, but it's always a possibility)

I know what you are referring too. You basically want to invest say 10 BTC and you feel comfortable with that amount but in case of getting your account hacked you would rather have less counterparty risk such as investing 10 BTC but only keeping. 5 BTC as maintaince collateral.

This is where I think smart contracts would play a big roll and many people such as people who hedge Bitcoin with Tether would be able to provide more funding. It would be nice to provide bankroll or funding for 10BTC but only have to keep 0.1BTC on the actual site and the remainder would be in some smart contract in case your loss is greater than your maintaince margin so more would be taken out of your smart contract and sent to the site.

This is also why it's expensive to borrow USD or Tether or open a derivatives long on Bitcoin , because there is just too much counterparty risk.

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March 26, 2020, 10:02:41 AM
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Looks like we are seeing more bets with coronavirus lockdown I guess? Even chat seems more active than usual:)
That's probably the effect of the pandemic which seems the volume of people online from different popular casinos has increased. Because of the lockdown in certain parts, it made everyone to have more time to spend at home.



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March 26, 2020, 10:41:45 AM
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Looks like we are seeing more bets with coronavirus lockdown I guess? Even chat seems more active than usual:)
That's probably the effect of the pandemic which seems the volume of people online from different popular casinos has increased. Because of the lockdown in certain parts, it made everyone to have more time to spend at home.
Globally, people spend more time at home. Around one-third of the world has stayed at their home due to lockdowns. They spend more time on the Internet and in spare time, they spend more time for online entertainments, that include gambling. The pandemic has bad impacts on global economy but there are companies and branches will take advantage of it to flourish. Online gambling industry and online platforms are part of it.

The pandemic triggers unofficial race among online casinos to release new games, and attract new users as well as try to maintain loyal users.

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March 26, 2020, 12:18:18 PM
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Looks like we are seeing more bets with coronavirus lockdown I guess? Even chat seems more active than usual:)
That's probably the effect of the pandemic which seems the volume of people online from different popular casinos has increased. Because of the lockdown in certain parts, it made everyone to have more time to spend at home.
Globally, people spend more time at home. Around one-third of the world has stayed at their home due to lockdowns. They spend more time on the Internet and in spare time, they spend more time for online entertainments, that include gambling. The pandemic has bad impacts on global economy but there are companies and branches will take advantage of it to flourish. Online gambling industry and online platforms are part of it.

The pandemic triggers unofficial race among online casinos to release new games, and attract new users as well as try to maintain loyal users.
It is the reason why yolodice and other respective casinos are benefiting from this but I guess even without the pandemic, their users are increasing. On the other hand, we all want this pandemic to stop.



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March 26, 2020, 03:06:36 PM
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Looks like we are seeing more bets with coronavirus lockdown I guess? Even chat seems more active than usual:)
That's probably the effect of the pandemic which seems the volume of people online from different popular casinos has increased. Because of the lockdown in certain parts, it made everyone to have more time to spend at home.
Globally, people spend more time at home. Around one-third of the world has stayed at their home due to lockdowns. They spend more time on the Internet and in spare time, they spend more time for online entertainments, that include gambling. The pandemic has bad impacts on global economy but there are companies and branches will take advantage of it to flourish. Online gambling industry and online platforms are part of it.

The pandemic triggers unofficial race among online casinos to release new games, and attract new users as well as try to maintain loyal users.
It is the reason why yolodice and other respective casinos are benefiting from this but I guess even without the pandemic, their users are increasing. On the other hand, we all want this pandemic to stop.

They improve from day to day and are run promos regularly that is one more reason for increase in player base.

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March 27, 2020, 10:54:32 PM
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It is the reason why yolodice and other respective casinos are benefiting from this but I guess even without the pandemic, their users are increasing. On the other hand, we all want this pandemic to stop.

They improve from day to day and are run promos regularly that is one more reason for increase in player base.
I couldn't agree more on that. It's visible and the results can be seen.



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April 01, 2020, 03:54:17 PM
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Happy April Fool's day everyone! I see the forum has a funny "virus spreading" thing, though maybe not everyone might get the joke in these times, I think it is important to see the bright side of things!

Stay safe, see you in Yolo;)

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