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[game-protect]

Your Balance will be locked while bonus is active. You can cancel bonus at any time.
Bonus must be wagered 55x to became a part of your balance.

According to your terms, the bonus was not part of his balance, so the 5 BTC win was solely generated by his 2 BTC deposit.

55x wagering requirement of 2 BTC bonus = 110 BTC to wager. Minus 23% (25 BTC) already wagered = 85 BTC left to wager to get the 2 BTC bonus

1% house edge of 85 BTC to wager = 0.85 BTC loss.  

So if you restore his account balance of 9 BTC (2 BTC deposit + 5 BTC win + 2 BTC bonus) and he will wager the required 85 BTC to get the bonus, he will statistically lose 0.85 BTC and his account will be statistically 8.15 BTC instead of the only 2 BTC deposit you gave him!

Nope, I do not think that they really need to pay him 7 btc, because he started with 2 btc, no matter they win or lose the only way to get this fair is to give him back what balance he start deposit. This is like he resetting their amount back to the start, so everything will be no affect on it anymore, this is seems fairly to him. I think duckdice red tagged should clear right now

It does not play any role what he had at the start or what he did 1 year ago! Relevant is only the point when they misleaded him to click the |Cancel Bonus| button.

At this point his balance was worth 7 BTC + 1.15 BTC bonus after wagering the remaining 85 BTC to clear the 2 BTC bonus = 8.15 BTC.

No one would cancel his whole account balance!

1) If he do not want his account balance, he would simply leave

2) If he continues to play, nothing worse than his account balance = zero can happen

Now tell me what is the reason to cancel your whole account balance instead of proceeding with 1) or 2)?

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[knightzk02]

Your Balance will be locked while bonus is active. You can cancel bonus at any time.
Bonus must be wagered 55x to became a part of your balance.

According to your terms, the bonus was not part of his balance, so the 5 BTC win was solely generated by his 2 BTC deposit.

55x wagering requirement of 2 BTC bonus = 110 BTC to wager. Minus 23% (25 BTC) already wagered = 85 BTC left to wager to get the 2 BTC bonus

1% house edge of 85 BTC to wager = 0.85 BTC loss.  

So if you restore his account balance of 9 BTC (2 BTC deposit + 5 BTC win + 2 BTC bonus) and he will wager the required 85 BTC to get the bonus, he will statistically lose 0.85 BTC and his account will be statistically 8.15 BTC instead of the only 2 BTC deposit you gave him!

Nope, I do not think that they really need to pay him 7 btc, because he started with 2 btc, no matter they win or lose the only way to get this fair is to give him back what balance he start deposit. This is like he resetting their amount back to the start, so everything will be no affect on it anymore, this is seems fairly to him. I think duckdice red tagged should clear right now

It does not play any role what he had at the start or what he did 1 year ago! Relevant is only the point when they misleaded him to click the |Cancel Bonus| button.

At this point his balance was worth 7 BTC + 1.15 BTC bonus after wagering the remaining 85 BTC to clear the 2 BTC bonus = 8.15 BTC.

No one would cancel his whole account balance!

1) If he do no want his account balance, he would simply leave

2) If he continues to play, nothing worse than his account balance = zero can happen

Now tell me what is the reason to cancel your whole account balance instead of proceeding with 1) or 2)?

He did not complete the wagering requirement, we can't simply say statistically while involve in gambling. He may win or lose the entire balance before completing the requirement.

Most casino did this, player could end up cancelling the entire balance after part of wagering requirement has been done, except most of them are clearly written in the terms and conditions that Real Money will be use first before the bonus balance is used. They make it clear, but Duckdice didn't. Duckdice use the same algorithm, thus they should actually write in this way (Main account funds will be used before any bonus funds, an example took from FortuneJack), real balance will be locked while bonus is active is the only reason that misleading the players.

Duckdice didn't make it clear in the terms and conditions, that was their fault, BUT, when cancelling a bonus, there will be a popup box showing up how much balance will be left in your account after cancelling your bonus, if player read before clicking any Cancel | Button, they should know! Even if they are clicking too fast, there will be a second windows to ask for the confirmation, player should read! This was the player fault. Again, player should READ CLEARLY before performing these kind of action, just taking a few minutes to read, easy task, it is the player responsibility. You cannot simply ask for a refund just because of your own mistake. In this case, cancelling the bonus without reading clearly was the player fault, and Duckdice still refund his deposit of 2BTC, fair enough.

[actmyname]

He did not complete the wagering requirement, we can't simply say statistically while involve in gambling. He may win or lose the entire balance before completing the requirement.

You can use math to calculate the expected value of the user's balance.

Most casino did this, player could end up cancelling the entire balance after part of wagering requirement has been done, except most of them are clearly written in the terms and conditions that Real Money will be use first before the bonus balance is used. They make it clear, but Duckdice didn't. Duckdice use the same algorithm, thus they should actually write in this way (Main account funds will be used before any bonus funds, an example took from FortuneJack), real balance will be locked while bonus is active is the only reason that misleading the players.

Except that isn't how DuckDice.io's algorithm worked. Users had the bonus balance in a "locked balance" that increased with gross profit and only gross profit. Which is bad.

Duckdice didn't make it clear in the terms and conditions, that was their fault, BUT, when cancelling a bonus, there will be a popup box showing up how much balance will be left in your account after cancelling your bonus, if player read before clicking any Cancel | Button, they should know!

Spoiler alert: that's now how it worked. Here, read for yourself:

FOR EVERYONE INFORMATION
Here is what happening when you are canceling your bonus:

First screen example:



Second confirmation screen example:

Even if they are clicking too fast, there will be a second windows to ask for the confirmation, player should read! This was the player fault. Again, player should READ CLEARLY before performing these kind of action, just taking a few minutes to read, easy task, it is the player responsibility. You cannot simply ask for a refund just because of your own mistake. In this case, cancelling the bonus without reading clearly was the player fault, and Duckdice still refund his deposit of 2BTC, fair enough.

When you want to cancel your bonus and you are forced to bet, that is unethical. You are forced to bet because otherwise you will directly lose your funds anyway.

[knightzk02]

You can use math to calculate the expected value of the user's balance.

You can use math to calculate the expected value of the user's balance, but it is still a possibility.

When you want to cancel your bonus and you are forced to bet, that is unethical. You are forced to bet because otherwise you will directly lose your funds anyway.

These kind of bonus should come with terms and conditions to avoid unethical actions from players (such as the mentioned loop). This is how the bonus algorithm should work, otherwise if your funds are remain the same while cancelling the bonus, everyone will claim the bonus and cancel whenever they lose the bonus, they can simply claim again and continue the loop afterward. To make it clear, you are not being forced to bet, your funds will remain in the balance if you did not wager(lose) it, for example, if you make a deposit, you claim the bonus and immediately cancel the bonus, you won't lose anything, or maybe if you make a few bets which resulting in lose, this is the only way that affecting your balance, which means the player funds are being use for wager before the bonus funds, and this should be mentioned in the terms and conditions to avoid any misleading. Spreading negativity will not help the case. Although it was the player fault for not reading anything before proceeding to click the cancel button. Duckdice has refund the player's deposit. The player should read and ask before performing those action, but he didn't. In this case, I can only see that the terms and conditions are not clear, which could misleading part of the players.

[Kiweikoo]

Okay, guys, we have always been the dice site that actually listens to its members and despite what we think in this situation we decided to make as our community suggests:

1. we've disabled deposit bonuses and currently working on a new algorithm based on your feedback and a new detailed and clear bonus policy.
2. we've refunded the initial deposit to Ozafejyw782 (it's already on a balance). There were people mentioning that we should revert the balance to the moment before cancellation – and this would be the easiest and acceptable solution for everyone, however (unfortunately) this is not technically possible, we just don't have this possibility.

So we believe now this issue has been resolved.

On the behalf of all users, I would like to thank you and your team for paying attention to our suggestions. That’s what people really like about your site. It has a friendly environment and no scams are found on this site which really makes it reliable for gambling. Furthermore, these new changes are really going to attract more users in the coming months.

[actmyname]

You can use math to calculate the expected value of the user's balance.

You can use math to calculate the expected value of the user's balance, but it is still a possibility.

In terms of calculating how much a user lost, it should be fine to use mathematical ev. You can't say that the ev of the dice game shouldn't be calculated just because there's a possibility that players or the house can win all the coins.

These kinds of bonus should come with terms and conditions to avoid unethical actions from players (such as the mentioned loop). This is how the bonus algorithm should work, otherwise, if your funds remain the same while canceling the bonus, everyone will claim the bonus and cancel whenever they lose the bonus, they can simply claim again and continue the loop afterward.

I agree fully with these statements. That, however, is neither the argument nor the problem.

To make it clear, you are not being forced to bet, your funds will remain in the balance if you did not wager(lose) it, for example, if you make a deposit, you claim the bonus and immediately cancel the bonus, you won't lose anything, or maybe if you make a few bets which resulting in lose, this is the only way that affecting your balance, which means the player funds are being use for wager before the bonus funds, and this should be mentioned in the terms and conditions to avoid any misleading.

I don't think you understand exactly how it works. The player's funds are NOT being used for wagering. The player's balance is a sum of the bonus and their original deposit (+ whatever else they gained). How their bonus system works is that for every winning bet, the locked balance goes up and when one wants to cancel, the locked balance is a sum of the bonus amount + gross profit (not net profit).

Spreading negativity will not help the case. Although it was the player fault for not reading anything before proceeding to click the cancel button. Duckdice has refund the player's deposit. The player should read and ask before performing those action, but he didn't. In this case, I can only see that the terms and conditions are not clear, which could misleading part of the players.

Shouldn't be considered the fault of the player for something they are not in control of. If one deposits, claims the bonus for a total of 2 BTC for example (1 BTC deposit + 1 BTC bonus) and subsequently wagers that amount twice: winning and losing, then they are back to where they started. If they wanted to cancel because they didn't like the odds, they are out of that option because the locked balance is now equivalent to 3 BTC. Canceling would result in a balance of zero.

[jamyr]

Okay, guys, we have always been the dice site that actually listens to its members and despite what we think in this situation we decided to make as our community suggests:

1. we've disabled deposit bonuses and currently working on a new algorithm based on your feedback and a new detailed and clear bonus policy.
2. we've refunded the initial deposit to Ozafejyw782 (it's already on a balance). There were people mentioning that we should revert the balance to the moment before cancellation – and this would be the easiest and acceptable solution for everyone, however (unfortunately) this is not technically possible, we just don't have this possibility.

So we believe now this issue has been resolved.

On the behalf of all users, I would like to thank you and your team for paying attention to our suggestions. That’s what people really like about your site. It has a friendly environment and no scams are found on this site which really makes it reliable for gambling. Furthermore, these new changes are really going to attract more users in the coming months.

The site has been very open for user suggestions and a lot of results have shown on tools they have now on site.

actmyname's version of a bonus is something better than the current one, as the bonus and non bonus balance would be separated. Giving the user a wider option if he wish to cancel anything.

[game-protect]

Your Balance will be locked while bonus is active. You can cancel bonus at any time.
Bonus must be wagered 55x to became a part of your balance.

According to your terms, the bonus was not part of his balance, so the 5 BTC win was solely generated by his 2 BTC deposit.

55x wagering requirement of 2 BTC bonus = 110 BTC to wager. Minus 23% (25 BTC) already wagered = 85 BTC left to wager to get the 2 BTC bonus

1% house edge of 85 BTC to wager = 0.85 BTC loss.  

So if you restore his account balance of 9 BTC (2 BTC deposit + 5 BTC win + 2 BTC bonus) and he will wager the required 85 BTC to get the bonus, he will statistically lose 0.85 BTC and his account will be statistically 8.15 BTC instead of the only 2 BTC deposit you gave him!

Nope, I do not think that they really need to pay him 7 btc, because he started with 2 btc, no matter they win or lose the only way to get this fair is to give him back what balance he start deposit. This is like he resetting their amount back to the start, so everything will be no affect on it anymore, this is seems fairly to him. I think duckdice red tagged should clear right now

It does not play any role what he had at the start or what he did 1 year ago! Relevant is only the point when they misleaded him to click the |Cancel Bonus| button.

At this point his balance was worth 7 BTC + 1.15 BTC bonus after wagering the remaining 85 BTC to clear the 2 BTC bonus = 8.15 BTC.

No one would cancel his whole account balance!

1) If he do no want his account balance, he would simply leave

2) If he continues to play, nothing worse than his account balance = zero can happen

Now tell me what is the reason to cancel your whole account balance instead of proceeding with 1) or 2)?

He did not complete the wagering requirement, we can't simply say statistically while involve in gambling. He may win or lose the entire balance before completing the requirement.

1) You can always calculate the EV and this is juridical fully valid. If a running online poker tournament is cancelled due to technical issues, they also calculate the expected value of your chips. It would be not only nonsense but also illegal to say players did not finish the tournament and may win or lose the entire balance and therefore their balance is now zero!

2) During the bonus canceling process the system indeed states in text form that the Locked Balance amount will be substructed from your balance, but as the buttons state large and bold |BONUS| and |Cancel Bonus| no one is able to understand it and this is (intentional) misleading and therefore juridical not valid!

3) No one would or wants to cancel his whole balance! The sense of the bonus canceling is that I want to get rid of the bonus and the wagering requirements.

4) At the time when the victim was misleaded to cancel his whole balance, the expected value of his balance after clearing the bonus is 8.15 BTC and this is the amount duckdice has to give him or restore his account how it was prior to click |Cancel Bonus|.

[jamyr]

Your Balance will be locked while bonus is active. You can cancel bonus at any time.
Bonus must be wagered 55x to became a part of your balance.

According to your terms, the bonus was not part of his balance, so the 5 BTC win was solely generated by his 2 BTC deposit.

55x wagering requirement of 2 BTC bonus = 110 BTC to wager. Minus 23% (25 BTC) already wagered = 85 BTC left to wager to get the 2 BTC bonus

1% house edge of 85 BTC to wager = 0.85 BTC loss.  

So if you restore his account balance of 9 BTC (2 BTC deposit + 5 BTC win + 2 BTC bonus) and he will wager the required 85 BTC to get the bonus, he will statistically lose 0.85 BTC and his account will be statistically 8.15 BTC instead of the only 2 BTC deposit you gave him!

Nope, I do not think that they really need to pay him 7 btc, because he started with 2 btc, no matter they win or lose the only way to get this fair is to give him back what balance he start deposit. This is like he resetting their amount back to the start, so everything will be no affect on it anymore, this is seems fairly to him. I think duckdice red tagged should clear right now

It does not play any role what he had at the start or what he did 1 year ago! Relevant is only the point when they misleaded him to click the |Cancel Bonus| button.

At this point his balance was worth 7 BTC + 1.15 BTC bonus after wagering the remaining 85 BTC to clear the 2 BTC bonus = 8.15 BTC.

No one would cancel his whole account balance!

1) If he do no want his account balance, he would simply leave

2) If he continues to play, nothing worse than his account balance = zero can happen

Now tell me what is the reason to cancel your whole account balance instead of proceeding with 1) or 2)?

He did not complete the wagering requirement, we can't simply say statistically while involve in gambling. He may win or lose the entire balance before completing the requirement.

1) You can always calculate the EV and this is juridical fully valid. If a running online poker tournament is cancelled due to technical issues, they also calculate the expected value of your chips. It would be not only nonsense but also illegal to say players did not finish the tournament and may win or lose the entire balance and therefore their balance is now zero!

2) During the bonus canceling process the system indeed states in text form that the Locked Balance amount will be substructed from your balance, but as the buttons state large and bold |BONUS| and |Cancel Bonus| no one is able to understand it and this is (intentional) misleading and therefore juridical not valid!

3) No one would or wants to cancel his whole balance! The sense of the bonus canceling is that I want to get rid of the bonus and the wagering requirements.

4) At the time when the victim was misleaded to cancel his whole balance, the expected value of his balance after clearing the bonus is 8.15 BTC and this is the amount duckdice has to give him or restore his account how it was prior to click |Cancel Bonus|.

Thought you have something new to add so I unignored you. Congrats making it back to my Ignore list.

Funny how you try to squeeze them for more like a collections agent trying to reach a quota. :p

[game-protect]

Thought you have something new to add so I unignored you. Congrats making it back to my Ignore list.

Ignoring the truth definetely speaks for your shadiness and people should avoid your signature!

Funny how you try to squeeze them for more like a collections agent trying to reach a quota. :p

Based on laws they owe him 8.15 BTC, simple.

[Lutpin]

Thought you have something new to add so I unignored you. Congrats making it back to my Ignore list-

Ignoring the truth definetely speaks for your shadiness and people should avoid your signature!

Disagreeing with you doesn't make a person shady per se.
Also, looking at your signature, I'd say the same is true about that one.

[game-protect]

Thought you have something new to add so I unignored you. Congrats making it back to my Ignore list-

Ignoring the truth definetely speaks for your shadiness and people should avoid your signature!

Disagreeing with you doesn't make a person shady per se.
Also, looking at your signature, I'd say the same is true about that one.

I am not the truth, not the laws and not Ozafejyw782's rights, so he can not disagree with me!

Calling out the duckdice.io scam is shady? Like the victim is the terrorist?

[babo]

Deposit bonuses are closed for a period of reworking them, we are also preparing for a possibility of hard fork, so until hard fork or soft fork occur we will not launch new bonuses.
Refund has been made. And once again, this is a first complaint of such matter in over 8 months[/size].[/b]

good news, support the fork is very professional way to "love" customers ^_^
good job! and go foward!

[Zepher]

Thought you have something new to add so I unignored you. Congrats making it back to my Ignore list-

Ignoring the truth definetely speaks for your shadiness and people should avoid your signature!

Disagreeing with you doesn't make a person shady per se.
Also, looking at your signature, I'd say the same is true about that one.

I am not the truth, not the laws and not Ozafejyw782's rights, so he can not disagree with me!

Calling out the duckdice.io scam is shady? Like the victim is the terrorist?

Sadly, I have little evidence to back this up as I was not around when you apparently posted something along the lines of "I'd like to suggest game-protect as the charity for this donation", which I guess refers to the 2 BTC DuckDice were going to send to charity before they eventually caved and sent it to the OP instead, and what you are going on about in your signature. That sounds like you were seeking payment to keep quiet. But, as I have no evidence, I'll leave that at that...


This is as "resolved" as its going to get, the OP is happy he got his deposit back, DuckDice have a tag warning others of what happened, and everyone is now moving on. What is the point of continuing this? I don't have much time for DuckDice either, but I do know when to call it a day.

What exactly are you trying to achieve here, game-protect?

[jamyr]

What exactly are you trying to achieve here, game-protect?

Trying to prey on every site that had made a mistake.

 I assume he is trying to catch as much attention as he can to get duckdice pay him too, for meddling perhaps and backing up the complain.


You've got Z's attention and Lutpin's , congrats! LoL

[game-protect]

Sadly, I have little evidence to back this up as I was not around when you apparently posted something along the lines of "I'd like to suggest game-protect as the charity for this donation", which I guess refers to the 2 BTC DuckDice were going to send to charity before they eventually caved and sent it to the OP instead, and what you are going on about in your signature. That sounds like you were seeking payment to keep quiet. But, as I have no evidence, I'll leave that at that...

Duckdice publicly announced that a part of their business model is to donate player deposits to charity and I have all the rights to apply for such a donation.

This is as "resolved" as its going to get, the OP is happy he got his deposit back, DuckDice have a tag warning others of what happened, and everyone is now moving on. What is the point of continuing this? I don't have much time for DuckDice either, but I do know when to call it a day.

They owe Ozafejyw782 8.15 BTC based on applicable civil and criminal laws and the case is not resolved as long as they owe him the remaining 6.15 BTC.

What exactly are you trying to achieve here, game-protect?

Online gaming consumer protection.

[DuckDice.io]

Looks like many of you are having fun with discussing our bonuses (which are no longer available anyway) but let's talk about ab important thing, and exactly the fork.
So far our position is to disable BTC deposit and withdrawal 10 hours prior to 1st of August – this is to avoid any transaction to get lost.
And in case of hard fork DuckDice planning to support both current and common bitcoin.

Any suggestions while we still have some time left?

[Lutpin]

Sadly, I have little evidence to back this up as I was not around when you apparently posted something along the lines of "I'd like to suggest game-protect as the charity for this donation", which I guess refers to the 2 BTC DuckDice were going to send to charity before they eventually caved and sent it to the OP instead, and what you are going on about in your signature. That sounds like you were seeking payment to keep quiet. But, as I have no evidence, I'll leave that at that...

Duckdice publicly announced that a part of their business model is to donate player deposits to charity and I have all the rights to apply for such a donation.

Only you're not doing any charitable work.
It's one thing to try fighting for what you believe is right. It's another thing doing it in order to profit from the situation.
Your signature implies you want that 2BTC "donation" to shut up and remove the signature/scam accusation on your site.

[DuckDice.io]

Sadly, I have little evidence to back this up as I was not around when you apparently posted something along the lines of "I'd like to suggest game-protect as the charity for this donation", which I guess refers to the 2 BTC DuckDice were going to send to charity before they eventually caved and sent it to the OP instead, and what you are going on about in your signature. That sounds like you were seeking payment to keep quiet. But, as I have no evidence, I'll leave that at that...

Duckdice publicly announced that a part of their business model is to donate player deposits to charity and I have all the rights to apply for such a donation.

Only you're not doing any charitable work.
It's one thing to try fighting for what you believe is right. It's another thing doing it in order to profit from the situation.
Your signature implies you want that 2BTC "donation" to shut up and remove the signature/scam accusation on your site.

HE ALREADY GOT HIS 2 BTC – TOTAL AMOUNT OF A DEPOSIT – BACK!
AND WE ARE REWORKING BONUSES ALGORITHM TO FIT TO COMMUNITY REQUIREMENTS.

[DuckDice.io]

[size=12pt]IMPORTANT MESSAGE:

In about 2 hours – 16:00 UTC precisely DuckDice will temporarily disable all BTC deposits and withdrawals!
All this because of Bitcoin Fork situation.
Most likely there won't be a split of a blockchain tomorrow but there is a possibility of temporarily split because of segwit time bomb and in order to eliminate possibility of loosing any transactions we have to disable deposits/withdrawals.
In case of a blockchain split DuckDice plan to support both.[/size]