Canaan Avalon A7 Group Buy - Hosting at CryptoBoreas (Canada)

[valkir]

Totally agree with you Herbpean

Centralisation is getting bigger! Sad to see that on BTC. Never tought I will said that one day but I may check others coins. 

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[HagssFIN]

They all claim they doesn't want centralization.

This is clearly pure bullshit now.

We have Bitmain selling us the S9, which is a piece of crap. Either you're lucky or not with your gear. 90 days warranty = LOL

Then we had hope with Canaan to give us a very reputable solid miner even for a premium price i would be buying them over the S9.

But it's way overprice and less efficient. We are hoping that a group by would have put the price down to something more acceptable (Like freaking 365 days of ROI)

But no, buy 1000 units and we will talk.

Bitcoin is all about centralization now

Bitfury doesn't even gave us a freaking chip like 6 months after they mine with it. They were so proud to tell us they would share it to the public.

I'm pissed off.

Bitfury and more precisely Punin is actually working together with sidehack (see his thread) and will provide chips for him.
This is a sure thing that I know.

Now two not so sure things are:
Bitfury providing chips for asiabtc's a.k.a. LightningAsic's new 16nm miner.
Bitfury providing chip for en.hotmine.io S1/S3/S5 re-fit boards.

Anyway it seems like Bitfury is the only company who is putting a little effort in to the decentralization.

I'm sorry to hear that things went like this with Canaan 

[philipma1957]

well there is always zec or eth

My 2 avalon 7's  will be 2043 + whatever fees fedex charges.

They are due on fri the 2nd




It is hard to spend 2043 usd  for 12th

I can build 2 good gpus rigs for that get 1.2kh  using 800 watts vs   12th using 2000 watts (avalon 7)

They are quieter use less power and as of today earn more money.  Plus  warranty of 1 or more years on the parts.

[allinvain]

Well, back to the fun RMA dance with Bitmain. There seems to be a 5-10% failure rate with Bitmain, so the way to play the game with them is to buy a large number of miners that way the 5% hit won't feel as bad. Canaan's regular market price for A7s seems to me like they are just fishing for suckers. You would think with a less efficient miner they would at least take that into consideration when pricing them.

This whole centralization phenomenon breaks my heart. I really wish I had millions to develop my own chip. I would build miners and sell them to as many people as possible with a 2 to 5 miner per customer limit per batch. The network's health should be in the hands of as many people as possible not just a small group of mega mines. I'm not saying there is something wrong with having a huge mining farm, but the _majority_ of the network's hashing power should be as diffuse as possible.

Anyways, time to move on guys.

[allinvain]

well there is always zec or eth

My 2 avalon 7's  will be 2043 + whatever fees fedex charges.

They are due on fri the 2nd




It is hard to spend 2043 usd  for 12th

I can build 2 good gpus rigs for that get 1.2kh  using 800 watts vs   12th using 2000 watts (avalon 7)

They are quieter use less power and as of today earn more money.  Plus  warranty of 1 or more years on the parts.

Oh bro, for that money you could've had 22 TH. I guess you've bought them out of curiosity?

[HerbPean]

They all claim they doesn't want centralization.

This is clearly pure bullshit now.

We have Bitmain selling us the S9, which is a piece of crap. Either you're lucky or not with your gear. 90 days warranty = LOL

Then we had hope with Canaan to give us a very reputable solid miner even for a premium price i would be buying them over the S9.

But it's way overprice and less efficient. We are hoping that a group by would have put the price down to something more acceptable (Like freaking 365 days of ROI)

But no, buy 1000 units and we will talk.

Bitcoin is all about centralization now

Bitfury doesn't even gave us a freaking chip like 6 months after they mine with it. They were so proud to tell us they would share it to the public.

I'm pissed off.

Bitfury and more precisely Punin is actually working together with sidehack (see his thread) and will provide chips for him.
This is a sure thing that I know.

Now two not so sure things are:
Bitfury providing chips for asiabtc's a.k.a. LightningAsic's new 16nm miner.
Bitfury providing chip for en.hotmine.io S1/S3/S5 re-fit boards.

Anyway it seems like Bitfury is the only company who is putting a little effort in to the decentralization.

I'm sorry to hear that things went like this with Canaan 

They waited like 6 months for that ?

I wouldn't be surprise Bitmain is around the corner for a Revision 2 of their chip.

[Biodom]

Anyways, time to move on guys.

I agree, but where to? Alts (eth, zec) are unconvincing so far, witness endless forking of one chain and non entirely functioning of another-as of right now, it is just a speculation tool (most people probably sell 100% to btc or $$).

Canaan's regular market price for A7s seems to me like they are just fishing for suckers. You would think with a less efficient miner they would at least take that into consideration when pricing them.

well, bitmain's and canaan's policies certainly increased the aftermarket price for S7, which is good for sellers (not so for buyers).
I saw someone asking $699 for S7, which makes sense ONLY if A7 is $1299 (afterall it is just 6th vs 4.7-5th and 0.18J/Gh vs 0.25 efficiency) and S9 nowhere to be seen.

[allinvain]

Anyways, time to move on guys.

I agree, but where to? Alts (eth, zec) are unconvincing so far, witness endless forking of one chain and non entirely functioning of another-as of right now, it is just a speculation tool (most people probably sell 100% to btc or $$).

Canaan's regular market price for A7s seems to me like they are just fishing for suckers. You would think with a less efficient miner they would at least take that into consideration when pricing them.

well, bitmain's and canaan's policies certainly increased the aftermarket price for S7, which is good for sellers (not so for buyers).
I saw someone asking $699 for S7, which makes sense ONLY if A7 is $1299 (afterall it is just 6th vs 4.7-5th and 0.18J/Gh vs 0.25 efficiency) and S9 nowhere to be seen.

I mean to move on to other btc hardware from bitmain specifically. Sadly they haven't opened a new batch yet. I did not mean to move on to other coins.

S7s are not worth not even close to $699, nor is the A7 worth $888. These prices are inflated and do not reflect a resonable ROI term. If you buy at those prices you are just throwing money away. You would be better off just buying BTC directly and holding.

[philipma1957]

Anyways, time to move on guys.

I agree, but where to? Alts (eth, zec) are unconvincing so far, witness endless forking of one chain and non entirely functioning of another-as of right now, it is just a speculation tool (most people probably sell 100% to btc or $$).

Canaan's regular market price for A7s seems to me like they are just fishing for suckers. You would think with a less efficient miner they would at least take that into consideration when pricing them.

well, bitmain's and canaan's policies certainly increased the aftermarket price for S7, which is good for sellers (not so for buyers).
I saw someone asking $699 for S7, which makes sense ONLY if A7 is $1299 (afterall it is just 6th vs 4.7-5th and 0.18J/Gh vs 0.25 efficiency) and S9 nowhere to be seen.

I mean to move on to other btc hardware from bitmain specifically. Sadly they haven't opened a new batch yet. I did not mean to move on to other coins.

S7s are not worth not even close to $699, nor is the A7 worth $888. These prices are inflated and do not reflect a resonable ROI term. If you buy at those prices you are just throwing money away. You would be better off just buying BTC directly and holding.

My worse s9 died in 12 hours use in a dust free climate controlled room.

1 board .  Down time 3 weeks.

Then 1 controller down time six weeks.
But I purchased a controller while I waited . So true down time three weeks.
Then a second board down time three weeks.
Net down time was nine weeks.

But 1 or 2 boards not all all three boards.
Cost for repairs for an under warranty machine were about 100 .
The replacement board I purchased was 130.
So I spent 230 and I lost say 1 month,of mining.
I have a spare controller as the finally relaced the dead controller .

But it had the old software and the replacement was new auto tune software.
I was lucky I ordered replacement controllers really fast on my own dime as they have the old software.

Yoshi of bitmainwarrnty in Colorado was fairly good to me. But I sold most of my s9 gear,off and now only have 2 s9s.  My power is cheap so,I should make money mining the s9s break so much it may take until the spring for,me to,break even.   

The Avalon 7 could turn a profit for me if it simply just works

[allinvain]

Yes it is true the S9s are not perfect and there most certainly a 10 to 15% failure rate. Just keep in mind the better efficiency of the S9s, but I suppose if you have cheap enough power you can offset the higher purchase price of an A7.

[rockmoney]

Well, back to the fun RMA dance with Bitmain. There seems to be a 5-10% failure rate with Bitmain, so the way to play the game with them is to buy a large number of miners that way the 5% hit won't feel as bad. Canaan's regular market price for A7s seems to me like they are just fishing for suckers. You would think with a less efficient miner they would at least take that into consideration when pricing them.

This whole centralization phenomenon breaks my heart. I really wish I had millions to develop my own chip. I would build miners and sell them to as many people as possible with a 2 to 5 miner per customer limit per batch. The network's health should be in the hands of as many people as possible not just a small group of mega mines. I'm not saying there is something wrong with having a huge mining farm, but the _majority_ of the network's hashing power should be as diffuse as possible.

Anyways, time to move on guys.

Well said & couldn't agree more!

[philipma1957]

my order should have arrived  instead fedex sent the classic fuck you customs delay form letter that others get for this item.

So now I wait and see how long the delay is. 

So I am out a 25 dollar fee for sending btc.
And I am now waiting for at least monday which would have been 3 days of mining.  that is about 25 more dollars .

Well at least I have an r4 on the way from bitmaintech.

and a 4.5kh gpu farm

[revolution82]

They all claim they doesn't want centralization.

This is clearly pure bullshit now.

We have Bitmain selling us the S9, which is a piece of crap. Either you're lucky or not with your gear. 90 days warranty = LOL

Then we had hope with Canaan to give us a very reputable solid miner even for a premium price i would be buying them over the S9.

But it's way overprice and less efficient. We are hoping that a group by would have put the price down to something more acceptable (Like freaking 365 days of ROI)

But no, buy 1000 units and we will talk.

Bitcoin is all about centralization now

Bitfury doesn't even gave us a freaking chip like 6 months after they mine with it. They were so proud to tell us they would share it to the public.

I'm pissed off.

Bitfury and more precisely Punin is actually working together with sidehack (see his thread) and will provide chips for him.
This is a sure thing that I know.

Now two not so sure things are:
Bitfury providing chips for asiabtc's a.k.a. LightningAsic's new 16nm miner.
Bitfury providing chip for en.hotmine.io S1/S3/S5 re-fit boards.

Anyway it seems like Bitfury is the only company who is putting a little effort in to the decentralization.

I'm sorry to hear that things went like this with Canaan  

I am having trouble finding the link for the Bitfury Chips that are being sold to sidehack for development. Could someone point me in that direction that sounds promising.

[sacskate]

They all claim they doesn't want centralization.

This is clearly pure bullshit now.

We have Bitmain selling us the S9, which is a piece of crap. Either you're lucky or not with your gear. 90 days warranty = LOL

Then we had hope with Canaan to give us a very reputable solid miner even for a premium price i would be buying them over the S9.

But it's way overprice and less efficient. We are hoping that a group by would have put the price down to something more acceptable (Like freaking 365 days of ROI)

But no, buy 1000 units and we will talk.

Bitcoin is all about centralization now

Bitfury doesn't even gave us a freaking chip like 6 months after they mine with it. They were so proud to tell us they would share it to the public.

I'm pissed off.

Bitfury and more precisely Punin is actually working together with sidehack (see his thread) and will provide chips for him.
This is a sure thing that I know.

Now two not so sure things are:
Bitfury providing chips for asiabtc's a.k.a. LightningAsic's new 16nm miner.
Bitfury providing chip for en.hotmine.io S1/S3/S5 re-fit boards.

Anyway it seems like Bitfury is the only company who is putting a little effort in to the decentralization.

I'm sorry to hear that things went like this with Canaan  

I am having trouble finding the link for the Bitfury Chips that are being sold to sidehack for development. Could someone point me in that direction that sounds promising.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1651958.0;topicseen

[Exoskeleton]

my order should have arrived  instead fedex sent the classic fuck you customs delay form letter that others get for this item.

So now I wait and see how long the delay is. 

So I am out a 25 dollar fee for sending btc.
And I am now waiting for at least monday which would have been 3 days of mining.  that is about 25 more dollars .

Well at least I have an r4 on the way from bitmaintech.

and a 4.5kh gpu farm

Its good to hear at least you got to get a R4 yesterday. They are solid from what I hear and make good space heaters in populated rooms. I was going to point out how for $2160 you could have gotten 16Th at 1700w and get it delivered at about the same time from bitmain instead. I always get my stuff from them within a few days. Sounds like Avalon really screwed up on their end of customs because I have never once had a customs delay from bitmain.

I'm not all 100% for bitmain but at least I can still make a profit on what I've bought from them, however small at times. I normally wouldn't go off topic on someone elses group buy thread, but this one seems done for thanks to avalons response to discounts. So hears what I got to say about avalon for those willing to listen.

A personal story:

I won't buy Avalon not just for the stupid price but also because of what they did in 2013. I've gone off on it before, but they cost 100's if not 1,000's of people tens of millions of dollars, BFL style, and claimed that they were robbed for our chips by the "Chinese Mafia". Seriously.

It was one of those Mt. Gox moments that made a large portion of the then massive community leave for good.

I didn't get burned for more than a few thousand dollars by Avalon in 2013 but I personally know people who lost multitudes more. Same as in Gox and almost every other exchange up till Bitfinex just a few months ago. It's made me feel bad for introducing every single person I ever have to bitcoin because we all lost most if not all of our coins in 2013 till now to some kind of "exchange hack" or undelivered asic.

The problem with avalon was they had delivered a batch or two first, thus being the only company who we thought would deliver for sure on time. Once they had everyone onboard and literally hundereds of thousands of coins from tons of people already in hand (back when they were only $100 a coin) they pulled the rug out and delayed forever untill the chips were worthless. It might have been worse than BFL, just not as public because it was a forum only thing really. One could say the biggest group buy of all time.

The final insult was with a story about being extorted by the chinese mafia as the reason for the delay. If I have the time I'll find a link to the original post where the company tells the story. Im not making this up. If you were around back then you know exactly what I'm talking about.

A year later they come back as an "new honest company" that will deliver from now on...

Can you tell I still fell raw about it? 

This price point is an absolute insult, not an honest attempt at competition. They are building the shit out of these and are quickly taking over a large portion of the network. But they don't really want to sell you any or let you in on the action in the slightest. Nah. Why would they?

By making these at cost by the tens of thousands and deploying them themselves they can afford to expand massively from 2017-2020 with BTC priced over $750 and the dollar exchanging so favorably with their currency.

Its the ultimate masterstroke in a years long saga of the biggest "Fuck You" I've ever seen in my life.

[philipma1957]

my order should have arrived  instead fedex sent the classic fuck you customs delay form letter that others get for this item.

So now I wait and see how long the delay is. 

So I am out a 25 dollar fee for sending btc.
And I am now waiting for at least monday which would have been 3 days of mining.  that is about 25 more dollars .

Well at least I have an r4 on the way from bitmaintech.

and a 4.5kh gpu farm

Its good to hear at least you got to get a R4 yesterday. They are solid from what I hear and make good space heaters in populated rooms. I was going to point out how for $2160 you could have gotten 16Th at 1700w and get it delivered at about the same time from bitmain instead. I always get my stuff from them within a few days. Sounds like Avalon really screwed up on their end of customs because I have never once had a customs delay from bitmain.

I'm not all 100% for bitmain but at least I can still make a profit on what I've bought from them, however small at times. I normally wouldn't go off topic on someone elses group buy thread, but this one seems done for thanks to avalons response to discounts. So hears what I got to say about avalon for those willing to listen.

A personal story:

I won't buy Avalon not just for the stupid price but also because of what they did in 2013. I've gone off on it before, but they cost 100's if not 1,000's of people tens of millions of dollars, BFL style, and claimed that they were robbed for our chips by the "Chinese Mafia". Seriously.

It was one of those Mt. Gox moments that made a large portion of the then massive community leave for good.

I didn't get burned for more than a few thousand dollars by Avalon in 2013 but I personally know people who lost multitudes more. Same as in Gox and almost every other exchange up till Bitfinex just a few months ago. It's made me feel bad for introducing every single person I ever have to bitcoin because we all lost most if not all of our coins in 2013 till now to some kind of "exchange hack" or undelivered asic.

The problem with avalon was they had delivered a batch or two first, thus being the only company who we thought would deliver for sure on time. Once they had everyone onboard and literally hundereds of thousands of coins from tons of people already in hand (back when they were only $100 a coin) they pulled the rug out and delayed forever untill the chips were worthless. It might have been worse than BFL, just not as public because it was a forum only thing really. One could say the biggest group buy of all time.

The final insult was with a story about being extorted by the chinese mafia as the reason for the delay. If I have the time I'll find a link to the original post where the company tells the story. Im not making this up. If you were around back then you know exactly what I'm talking about.

A year later they come back as an "new honest company" that will deliver from now on...

Can you tell I still fell raw about it? 

This price point is an absolute insult, not an honest attempt at competition. They are building the shit out of these and are quickly taking over a large portion of the network. But they don't really want to sell you any or let you in on the action in the slightest. Nah. Why would they?

By making these at cost by the tens of thousands and deploying them themselves they can afford to expand massively from 2017-2020 with BTC priced over $750 and the dollar exchanging so favorably with their currency.

Its the ultimate masterstroke in a years long saga of the biggest "Fuck You" I've ever seen in my life.

Well  if you prove they are the same people you would be correct. Most likely you are correct, but I don't know.

Here is the deal  for now  I have 10k in gpu gear  mining zec. 4.6kh

I have 2 ⅓ s9's mining     = 27th

I will have 2 avalon 721's = 12th

I will have an r4              =   8th

total                               =  47th

I may get some bit fury gear from sidehack and a sell in the Ukraine
I may get some gpu type gear from  gridseed builders

I rate all asic sellers as a fail  some are worse then others but no one currently gets a 70 rating from me.

This is why I mine zec as gpu and pc  part builders are better.

 Not to mention amazon,newegg,hp.com,provantage,superbiiz,bestbuy and frys  all good reselling companies.

So my gear is 10k gpu/pc   and about  5.5k asic btc.

I would  not mind having 12-15k worth of asic / btc gear  and I did have 6 -9's worth about 10k at one time  but the  s9's suck they break too much.

[Eric Mu]

A client who is currently hosting 200 A7s is looking to divest. He expects to sell for RMB 4,650 per unit (stripped down; no PSU or Raspberry Pie included ).

I am currently hosting these rigs and can testify they are very stable (unlike the S9s next door belonging to another customer which has been a source of constant headache ).

EDIT: Not the customer - he has been very sweet.

[HerbPean]

661.78 US

Looks like a good price

EDIT: He said A6 on the other thread... A7 or A6 ?

[Eric Mu]

661.78 US

Looks like a good price

EDIT: He said A6 on the other thread... A7 or A6 ?

A7. Corrected.

[allinvain]

That's actually a reasonable price. I'd like to grab a few for sure if shipping is reasonable. I may also be able to find you a client that can grab 50 or so and host them with us. Any way you can calculate shipping costs to Labrador, Canada, postal code: A0P1C0

Or alternatively PM me the address and info they'd be shipping from so I can try to calculate the shipping costs myself. I presume DHL would be an available option in your area, no?