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February 13, 2014, 08:42:18 AM
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nice catch... saved the photos in case they try to get rid of evidence... LOL..  Cheesy damn and i guess now we have a better picture of where all that huge unknown hashrate comes from...   Roll Eyes

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I think it's safe to say they didn't start this adventure last week.
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No is speculation that they will do that, all we have heard it's that they are building a mine for the purposes of providing either compensatory hash rate to their customers if Neptune is late or if said customers would prefer to switch from hardware customer to cloud customer. You are adding your own spin on the concept to make it appear in a negative light.

We'll need some input from Swedish speaking members, but this looks like video from the new datacentre.

With machines hashing already. Mining the bitcoins to compensate the Neptune customers in July Biffa?

Not more than 5% though, of course.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2276893-datorhall-for-bitcoin-byggs-i-boden

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Having watched the video now, that is very interesting and definitely not speculation. It will be interesting to see if KnC sources an provide a response, or if they even care to.

As to my agenda, I'm just a customer and miner like anyone else, I have some KnC, some Ants, even some GPU's running scrypt. I don't have any allegiance to a particular vendor, or work for any of them. I'm perhaps more willing to give some companies the benefit of the doubt than others in this thread but I think, hopefully, I'm considered by most to be even handed and reasonable, even helpful sometimes, if anyone doubts my agenda, its easy to see in my post history

KnC has done nothing wrong to me either in the past or up till now, they sold me what I asked for and it has performed to spec, heck even above spec.

Plus, I don't even fault them for building this cloud hashing farm as I think that they have to compete somehow with all the other farms coming online both for their customers and to a certain extent for themselves.

As to their motives and current standing, I still feel that we are swinging in the dark here and we could be hitting or missing with our conjecture, it would be good if someone could get a clear and concise message from the company as to what is going on.

So, so far, we know they have a farm, we know its populated with KnC 28nm hardware, and in the video we can see is 21 racks with 4 shelves in populated per rack with 6 modules per rack, in two rows. Or somewhere between 150,000-200,000 GH (21x4x6x2x170GH),  its very cleverly shot to impress but also to not show everything.

From me the speculation is still:

  • Is the hardware there new, or have they moved their old hosting to this new location, or moved other large customers equipment there?
  • If new, is it designed specifically for this purpose, i.e. not compatible with their consumer model miners?
  • How much of that is hashing live on the network and how much was turned on just to test for the video?
  • If hashing, what percentage is directly for KnC themselves

I'd still like to know definitively when is the date that Neptune will be considered late. I think its important for KnC to divulge that information ASAP so that people can make an informed decision about what to do regarding their orders.

For now I'm still gonna hold fire with my orders, and keep pushing through official channels to get some info to feed back to the forum.

Lastly I'd like to say thank you edgar, I get where you are coming from and understand your motives even if I don't agree with your methods Smiley And Avenger, great detective work, gotta hand it to you, you certainly keep everyone thinking and the old brain cogs whirring can't be a bad thing at my age Smiley You will note that even if I don't always agree with you guys, its obvious your not ignored and I will keep listening and taking in your findings.

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February 13, 2014, 09:38:06 AM
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Useful post Biffa, I agree - Especially to the question "when is Neptune considered late" - basically this is the only thing really interesting for me and will decide whether I dump or stick to my orders.

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February 13, 2014, 10:04:19 AM
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Useful post Biffa, I agree - Especially to the question "when is Neptune considered late" - basically this is the only thing really interesting for me and will decide whether I dump or stick to my orders.


yeah.....you want to see me go over to the dark side here..all they have to say is .."your virtual neptunes you ordered will be hashing at 6gh on march 1st"

if they do that and I can practically forgive anything ....including the hiring of josh from BFL for PR.....

(I'm such a gh hash sl*t)

it would be the quickest way to get me to go from "what the f*c*" to ...

er ummmm...hmmmm ...er ...NEVERMIND



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February 13, 2014, 10:27:10 AM
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Useful post Biffa, I agree - Especially to the question "when is Neptune considered late" - basically this is the only thing really interesting for me and will decide whether I dump or stick to my orders.


yeah.....you want to see me go over to the dark side here..all they have to say is .."your virtual neptunes you ordered will be hashing at 6gh on march 1st"

if they do that and I can practically forgive anything ....including the hiring of josh from BFL for PR.....

(I'm such a gh hash sl*t)

it would be the quickest way to get me to go from "what the f*c*" to ...

er ummmm...hmmmm ...er ...NEVERMIND



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Exactly - I just have the hope they find the sweet spot between own and customer interests. 6gh?? You are a cheap fellow to buy  Grin

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February 13, 2014, 11:02:34 AM
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https://i.imgur.com/vbWXd7Q.jpg

Jonas Birgersson 2.0!  Grin
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February 13, 2014, 11:49:45 AM
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Useful post Biffa, I agree - Especially to the question "when is Neptune considered late" - basically this is the only thing really interesting for me and will decide whether I dump or stick to my orders.


yeah.....you want to see me go over to the dark side here..all they have to say is .."your virtual neptunes you ordered will be hashing at 6gh on march 1st"

if they do that and I can practically forgive anything ....including the hiring of josh from BFL for PR.....

(I'm such a gh hash sl*t)

it would be the quickest way to get me to go from "what the f*c*" to ...

er ummmm...hmmmm ...er ...NEVERMIND



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Exactly - I just have the hope they find the sweet spot between own and customer interests. 6gh?? You are a cheap fellow to buy  Grin


ack..dooomed withthat deal with the devil....doomed......dang it now i have to find a gold fiddle!

(hey i'm old i remember when a 140k apple ii drive was large!)

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February 13, 2014, 12:10:23 PM
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From me the speculation is still:
  • Is the hardware there new, or have they moved their old hosting to this new location

On that point, I'm sure they won't tell us, so...

Exhibit A:



See the large waste bin? Full of brand new arctic cooler boxes next to the assembly bench? I think that is as good an indication as any that the machines are completely new. You wouldn't throw away 1000's of coolers just to move them to a new location, especially if it's only a matter of packing them onto a lorry and driving them a few hours north.

It would certainly explain why they were going to sell Jupiters, then didn't.
Then they were going to sell boards, but didn't.
And why they had a "bottleneck" with controller boards.
It's all there in that building now.

From me the speculation is still:
  • If new, is it designed specifically for this purpose, i.e. not compatible with their consumer model miners?
Does that matter? I imagine it's just standard boards.

From me the speculation is still:
  • How much of that is hashing live on the network and how much was turned on just to test for the video?
They are renting the building and paying for the electricity. You think they are going to kit it out and leave it all switched off until July, throwing away all that money?? It's obvious in the next couple of weeks they intend to have all those racks full. And then, if they have enough neptune pre-order money left over, start another building. They've already said they want more buildings and they see themselves being as big as facebook, so this is their words and their plans, as announced by them.

From me the speculation is still:
  • If hashing, what percentage is directly for KnC themselves

They aren't going to tell us if they are over 5%! They'll just weasel around and say it's this that or the other.

If they did have 5% hashing and these are new machines, then it's clear they are 6% or over now.

But I guess it'll take a photo of this entire datacentre with completely full racks to convince some people.

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February 13, 2014, 12:13:49 PM
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Jonas Birgersson 2.0!  Grin


One WHOLE rack section, 6 boards x 5 or 6 shelves = 1 neptune  Grin
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February 13, 2014, 12:14:33 PM
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We have not been manufacturing 28nm miners since the shipping of the November batch completed.
I'm a little surprised about that. I believe the November Jupiters are the most effectiv ASIC miners on this world at the moment and I thought KNC recognized that as well and filled byteminr with them after they stopped selling to the public.
But well, it seems I've been wrong.
Oh, I wasn't.

well, what would there be more to communicate then: "We send all production output to byteminr at the moment". Who wouldn't, being in their shoes?
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February 13, 2014, 12:18:12 PM
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What the connection between knc and byteminr? I miss the point, using reseller
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February 13, 2014, 12:19:49 PM
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Great!

Just remember: NEVER PREORDER AGAIN!

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February 13, 2014, 12:22:48 PM
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Well, it looks like they already have the hashrate to cover batch 1a.  IMHO, batch 1a will be considered late in mid May.  As the final batch two was sold to be shipped in quarter two.  Batch 1b a month before that and batch 1a a few weeks before that.  So in IMO mid May is the latest they can leave it for batch 1a.

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February 13, 2014, 12:22:52 PM
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Great!

Just remember: NEVER PREORDER AGAIN!
it was obvious, no one in Taiwan make you few 1000 of chips, minimum 10 000 pieces, then they care what you want

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February 13, 2014, 12:24:46 PM
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Speaking of Byteminr:

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Looking for people to help beta test the new KnCWallet. Check out http://beta.kncwallet.com

Sam registered variations on 22nd January, such as:
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February 13, 2014, 01:49:19 PM
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They had a bottleneck on the controllers 'Orama? Really?

You work for the company and you didn't know this massive mining operation was going on?

Your company is dead to me.



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February 13, 2014, 02:01:04 PM
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seriously, waaah. calling someone greedy for doing exactly what you are doing, just bigger and better. Grow up. If you are jealous, do it bigger.

True. I will remember this!

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February 13, 2014, 02:25:17 PM
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Seriously, I'm laughing all the way to the bank on this. Cheesy

Some of you guys have done the math on the hashpower, and it's definitely significant is it not? Tehfeind's response a few pages back is definitely the wisest yet: Dump your orders and buy BTC. Especially right now while it's cheap.

Also, don't go too harshly on 'Orama, I would "wager" he's not kept informed of everything.. only what the overlords want spread around. And with his pay increase recently, I'm sure they'll keep him happy.

I love this thread. In life there's Politics and Religion which people argue over or have constructive debate.. and then there's the KNC thread on Bitcointalk. It has everything you could hope for.

Except the ability to acquire equipment LOL

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February 13, 2014, 02:28:54 PM
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They had a bottleneck on the controllers 'Orama? Really?

You work for the company and you didn't know this massive mining operation was going on?

Your company is dead to me.

It's true, they did.. they weren't lying. They simply told the truth, but there was more to it. There was a bottleneck on controllers.. for customers because they set aside most of them for themselves lol

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February 13, 2014, 02:40:44 PM
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"The company added that it planned to build further tech hubs in the region later this year."

english translation from that swedish video ^^^^
http://www.thelocal.se/20140213/bitcoin-giant-to-open-new-mega-swedish-hub

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