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March 31, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
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Hello,

The Neptune first batch was advertised with shipping either in Q1 or Q2.
*The miners are expected to ship before the end of Q2. Unfortunately, we do not have more specific time frames.
**We are now in the foundry stage and as soon as the chips arrive we will let you all know.


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*The miners are expected to ship within Q2.
We have finished designing the chips and now expecting for them to arrive.
We should have more specific information and updates once the chips arrive.
Please do not hesitate in contacting us if you have further questions.


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**We are now in the foundry stage and as soon as the chips arrive we will let you all know.

Good to see the knc customer service have discovered cut and paste Cheesy Your $10000+ order means a lot to them.

Script based miners are way off yet, don't expect anything from Knc until the end of the year or Q1 of next year.



Why is that? I'm not too familiar with KNC, never bothered about this thread as it is too fucking long. Any other thoughts on delivery time?

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I wish, it is one thing to post something funny-smart to be entertaining...  It is something else altogether when it is just plain dumb-and-dumber.  Just when you think it is not possible for someone to post a dumber, thoughtless comment, there is another one... and another...

We don't all have to agree; I appreciate intelligent discussion/argument.  But this whole bitcoin forum has been turning into a freak show...  I left for a month and came back to find it has actually gotten worse.  I am beginning to think there must be something wrong with me to feel like we can have intelligent, logical adult conversations here.
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I know that technical details are important, but what we don't know is what will be the hashing power and energy usage.
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Disclaimer:
My calculations below are just guestimations and speculation based on limited experience and sample size.
I would not be suprised if flaws in my reasoning are found.

Also note W/Gh is a manufacturer term for power usage @ ASIC.
I'm currently consumnig another 21% @ the wall (120VAC 90+ supplies).

What KnCMiner has said publicly.
(initially)
43% power reduction.
1440 core per ASIC.
(updated)
Additional 11% power savings spent on more core per ASIC

~1600 core per ASIC

(I subtracted the 11% from the already calculated -43% figure for ~50% total improvement NOT 54%)

currently 28nm 1w/Gh
estimated 20nm 0.5073W/Gh

1600 cores @ current default Oct. 28nm core speed of 750Mhz
3 ASIC, 1200Gh/s each ASIC consuming 608.76 WATTS each.
(that would be like pulling an Elephant out of the hat IMneverHO)
3.6T stock clock

1600 cores @ 500Mhz
4 ASIC, 800Gh/s each ASIC @ 405W
3.2T stock clock

This is doable with heat management on both sides of the chip/PCB.
(based on knowing many 28nm ASIC currently pulling close to 200W 24/7)

They will have to keep adding ASIC till power is managable.
They may add ASIC for other reasons.
IMneverHO it will boil down to how much heat they can pump thru the heatspreader.

Currently the 28nm part has 16cm^2 (40x40mm raised area on 50x50 chip)
A different heatspreader and 25cm^2 is available.
(did they mention a 55x55mm package?)

I'm guessing total @ wall a bit above 2kW
Definately need 200+ VAC circuit for most situations.
A 15A 220VAC(ASSuMEd USA power std.) circuit would be minimum I'd consider for a single Neptune.

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March 31, 2014, 09:37:32 PM
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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.
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March 31, 2014, 10:22:08 PM
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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.

Something does not compute, because a fine swedish lady from customers support gave an assurance of Q2 shipping  Wink
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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.

Nvidia delayed SELLING 20nm because the cost does not drop fast enough IN THE FUTURE.
Your implication that Nvidia delayed due to some show stopper 20nm issue is not persuasive.

KnCMiner does not have this concern as long as customers are willing to pay the price.
I very much doubt KnCMiner 20nm ASIC delivery depends on the cost of chips next year.

pixels are not Satoshis and miners expect to spend more per.


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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.

Something does not compute, because a fine swedish lady from customers support gave an assurance of Q2 shipping  Wink

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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.

Something does not compute, because a fine swedish lady from customers support gave an assurance of Q2 shipping  Wink

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-maxwell-20nm-delayed-late-2014-early-2015/
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I know that technical details are important, but what we don't know is what will be the hashing power and energy usage.
---SNIP---

I'm guessing total @ wall a bit above 2kW
Definately need 200+ VAC circuit for most situations.
A 15A 220VAC(ASSuMEd USA power std.) circuit would be minimum I'd consider for a single Neptune.

YMMV
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I have only 15A/120V circuits where I want to host it  Undecided, but I can probably use two of them, though; each should be enough for 12.5X120=1500W
I cannot use the"sacred" dryer (240V/30A) circuit, hence I can only host one Neptune in the best case scenario.
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April 01, 2014, 12:04:50 AM
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There we go again so your really think a asic can be compared to a massive gpu with millions of transistors capable of many tasks.
Unbelievable that you not compare a mountain with a 10 cm rock in your garden
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There we go again so your really think a asic can be compared to a massive gpu with millions of transistors capable of many tasks.
Unbelievable that you not compare a mountain with a 10 cm rock in your garden

The gpu is also an ASIC, so of course there is a clear comparison to be made.


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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.
Nvidia = Global Foundries (some of which left GF and Nvidia for CoinTerra)
KNC = Allchip, TSMC, AST, ORSOC, and Their own specialists on dc/dc(KNC) with Markus Erlanderson's code.

...meanwhile TSMC and ARM have announced tapeout of a 16nm already....
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/152382-arm-tsmc-complete-16nm-cortex-a57-tape-out-chip-launching-no-time-soon

So,  "knc can get them before Nvidia does."   a big yes.

Nvidia's competition, AMD uses TSMC.
http://wccftech.com/amd-tapes-20nm-14nm-finfet-chips-1h-2014/
*and they @ AMD have a long history of beating Nvidia to market with the next gen GPU's.

and whilst a GPU may be an "Application Specific Integrated Circuit"(ASIC)...
A GPU has a multitude of varying tasks to perform, while our Miner ASICS are redundant of a single task.
Which is why it will take much longer for the GPU's to be developed in comparison to Mining ASICs.
Hope that helps clarify things.


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Poll....
How long did your Neptune refund stay in "Refund ready for process" mode, before it actually happened?


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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.

Nvidia is usually a good 3-6 months late jumping on a new node and AMD are almost always a few months ahead of them. For gpu manufacturers yield is also a lot more important since it's more costly to start disabling cores due to the way they are grouped up.

Also there seems to be no performance/$ gain at this time going from 28 -> 20nm, so best case you are looking at higher density and BEST case better performance/watt. Remember we are comparing a mature node vs one that is at this time quite untested (It took nvidia almost a year to get decent yields and fix leakage on fermi GTX 480/580 for example) Considering all of this you see why gpu manufacturers are in no real rush to jump on the bandwagon.

Poll....
How long did your Neptune refund stay in "Refund ready for process" mode, before it actually happened?

Think it took me around 2 weeks.

Nvidia = Global Foundries (some of which left GF and Nvidia for CoinTerra)

Nvidia is as far as I know still using TSMC and has been for years, AMD however might have shifted some of their gpus over the GF (I've not really kept track)
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The gpu is also an ASIC, so of course there is a clear comparison to be made.

Most(all?) GPU are not ASIC!
At one time that may have been true, not now.
Within the last 10 or so years GPU's are commonly applied to other 'applications' unrelated to pixels.
They now come with instruction sets and have IDE's available.
Just doing some of the physics calcs negated the ASIC rule.
They were not specifically designed for sha256 but many do it.

Does not sound like they are 'application specific' to me at all.

I suppose clarity of comparison is subjective.
I see more differences than similarities.

Comparisons can be made.

sha256 ASIC communicates with perepherials over serial interface.
GPU must communicate with perephials(external memory) over 128, 256, 384, or 512 bit wide parallel interface.
(orders of magnitude difference)

current sha256 ASIC needs about 200kHz communication speed to keep up reliably.
GPU needs much faster speeds to communicate with memory.
(orders of magnitude difference)

most sha256 ASIC core run at between 0.5 and 2 MHz clock.
GPU run at over 200MHz clock
(orders of magnitude difference)

To name a few (orders of magnitude difference)

YMMV
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April 01, 2014, 04:57:29 AM
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I know that technical details are important, but what we don't know is what will be the hashing power and energy usage.
---SNIP---

I'm guessing total @ wall a bit above 2kW
Definately need 200+ VAC circuit for most situations.
A 15A 220VAC(ASSuMEd USA power std.) circuit would be minimum I'd consider for a single Neptune.

YMMV
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I have only 15A/120V circuits where I want to host it  Undecided, but I can probably use two of them, though; each should be enough for 12.5X120=1500W
I cannot use the"sacred" dryer (240V/30A) circuit, hence I can only host one Neptune in the best case scenario.

You're not going to have to worry about that.  You're not getting a Neptune.  No one is.
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