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March 31, 2014, 06:28:21 PM
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If the document is 100% true or not true at all is no matter, because Cybershuttle was done in mid February.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg6004642#msg6004642

you are a giggle of a shill.
so mr, explain to us the difference between tape-out, and full mask?

you are telling us they are the same thing?
go back to selling snake oil. you know FUCK ALL.
well, Mr Bad News; Cybershuttle has nothing to do with full mask, it's the step prior to that. ..and the post confuses pre-tape-out with post tapeout.
Cybershuttle is part of the tapeout process node offered by TSMC. The poster of that thread thinks cybershuttle is post tapeout, which is incorrect.

tape out is just that - tape out. you are at least correct that cybershuttle has nothing to do with full mask, and as I pointed out in my blog - the time-frames, from tape-out are similar (cybershuttle / full-mask). Full mask happens post tape-out. you know FUCK ALL - go back to selling snake oil.

again, I will reiterate, my blog post was not directed at any one manufacturer. But I do understand your frustration, as the news just means it will be longer til you can get your photo taken with your #1 neptune (which will not have decent burn in and will likely set your house on fire).
okay, so knowing cybershuttle tapeout process is done 6 weeks ago, where do the "Full mask" delay estimates come from then? There is nothing cited to back up that claim.
BTW...  this "Fuck all" stuff really isn't necessary, is it?

tapeout has been done. cyberhshuttle has not. your manufacturer is compiling full mask.
Before you go any further, educate yourself on cybershuttle:
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/services/cyberShuttle.htm

as you can see, "Cybershuttle" is indeed a coined term for TSMC's speedy tape-out development process.


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http://www.coindesk.com/mining-hardware-companies-miners-roundup/

Prepare to enter a world of stress
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March 31, 2014, 06:32:39 PM
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They offered two options, to keep your hardware order and be compensated for their lateness with cloud hashing "while you wait" so to speak.
Or swap your hardware order for a cloud hashing order completely.

Hi Biffa,

do you have a link for the offer?

Thanks

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From the "Plan B" announcement: https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-75

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Over the next few months we are bringing online enough hashing power to make sure that any delay in the Neptune timeline will be compensated with a completely free hosted hashing packages to all fully paid customers.
 
In the addition to this commitment, as part of Plan B, for all Neptune customers, we will be offering a free conversion to a hosted hashing package

Thanks,

I did miss it...

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March 31, 2014, 06:36:09 PM
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If the document is 100% true or not true at all is no matter, because Cybershuttle was done in mid February.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg6004642#msg6004642

you are a giggle of a shill.
so mr, explain to us the difference between tape-out, and full mask?

you are telling us they are the same thing?
go back to selling snake oil. you know FUCK ALL.
well, Mr Bad News; Cybershuttle has nothing to do with full mask, it's the step prior to that. ..and the post confuses pre-tape-out with post tapeout.
Cybershuttle is part of the tapeout process node offered by TSMC. The poster of that thread thinks cybershuttle is post tapeout, which is incorrect.

tape out is just that - tape out. you are at least correct that cybershuttle has nothing to do with full mask, and as I pointed out in my blog - the time-frames, from tape-out are similar (cybershuttle / full-mask). Full mask happens post tape-out. you know FUCK ALL - go back to selling snake oil.

again, I will reiterate, my blog post was not directed at any one manufacturer. But I do understand your frustration, as the news just means it will be longer til you can get your photo taken with your #1 neptune (which will not have decent burn in and will likely set your house on fire).
okay, so knowing cybershuttle tapeout process is done 6 weeks ago, where do the "Full mask" delay estimates come from then? There is nothing cited to back up that claim.
BTW...  this "Fuck all" stuff really isn't necessary, is it?

tapeout has been done. cyberhshuttle has not. your manufacturer is compiling full mask.
Before you go any further, educate yourself on cybershuttle:
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/services/cyberShuttle.htm

as you can see, "Cybershuttle" is indeed a coined term for TSMC's speedy tape-out development process.


sorry, no, it's most definitely, the step after t/o...

"CyberShuttle® services break the barrier by letting multiple designs share tooling costs through a multi-project mask set. "
and
"CyberShuttle® services also validate the sub-circuit functionality and process compatibility of IP, standard cell libraries and I/Os."

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March 31, 2014, 06:53:37 PM
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odd that they didn't have the hardware that you can purchase now and have in your hands in 4 days. kfc surely can't do that unless it is for themselves. coindesk really is turning into some waste of internet space.
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March 31, 2014, 06:54:51 PM
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shuttle times for 28nm were ~80 days, 8 weeks was I agree, very well done on their part.

I'm not trying to tag team ya here.
fenix and I are of WAY different ilk.
(I'm only a Jr. fanboy who likes to tinker with HW)

My ignorance is great regarding foundry schedules.

Based on my understanding of the link Phoenix provided.
Cybershuttle refers specifically to multiproject wafers.

KnCMiner may have thrown down for full wafers.
(with my money)
Time is money in this racket and the risk/reward may justify the position.
I think that is how they did it with 28nm.

Rather than quip about others ignorance why not educate?
(I don't dispute my ignorance)

Some negative Nancy's have already taken your post about a possible delay as gospel.
(see I am not above ad-hominim either) Smiley
Even though it is based on 'confidential sources' and what I consider possibly misleading terminology that does not apply to this situation.

At any rate, time will tell!

YMMV
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While composing my post I see you have clearly self identified as a disruptor.
I'll apply Occams Razor as apropriate

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March 31, 2014, 07:12:41 PM
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I know that technical details are important, but what we don't know is what will be the hashing power and energy usage.
At BTC $456, S1 is $2.26/GH with 5day delivery. I want a new cool machine as much as anyone, but it has to be 5 TH delivered now. I would also appreciate some sort of compensation-they are not legally have to do it, but considering the datorhall impact, it would be a good gesture. Something like 2-2.5 TH free from the datorhall until presumably late May delivery for batches 0(CA) and 1. Anything short of this and refunds will continue until only 20-25% are left (according to poll on knc website). I think that they have something coming soon as far as policy is concerned because they suddenly posted that refund problems have been resolved.
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tape out is just that - tape out. you are at least correct that cybershuttle has nothing to do with full mask, and as I pointed out in my blog - the time-frames, from tape-out are similar (cybershuttle / full-mask). Full mask happens post tape-out. you know F__K ALL - go back to selling snake oil.

again, I will reiterate, my blog post was not directed at any one manufacturer. But I do understand your frustration, as the news just means it will be longer til you can get your photo taken with your #1 neptune (which will not have decent burn in and will likely set your house on fire).

It is funny (or rather ironic) that you are the one who is acting like the "Know it all" or at least that's what you are so desperately trying to believe that you result into name calling in back-to-back posts.  You know what they say, whoever screams the loudest knows the least...

How much Ego does one must possess to create a new post about a "news" and quoting his own blog as source and proof of this news?  As if that wasn't enough, that said egotistical person has the gut to post a Please Donate at the end..  As if he is providing a great service to everyone.  You are a sad, sad little man.  I am sorry for you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551261.0
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tape out is just that - tape out. you are at least correct that cybershuttle has nothing to do with full mask, and as I pointed out in my blog - the time-frames, from tape-out are similar (cybershuttle / full-mask). Full mask happens post tape-out. you know F__K ALL - go back to selling snake oil.

again, I will reiterate, my blog post was not directed at any one manufacturer. But I do understand your frustration, as the news just means it will be longer til you can get your photo taken with your #1 neptune (which will not have decent burn in and will likely set your house on fire).

It is funny (or rather ironic) that you are the one who is acting like the "Know it all" or at least that's what you are so desperately trying to believe that you result into name calling in back-to-back posts.  You know what they say, whoever screams the loudest knows the least...

How much Ego does one must possess to create a new post about a "news" and quoting his own blog as source and proof of this news?  As if that wasn't enough, that said egotistical person has the gut to post a Please Donate at the end..  As if he is providing a great service to everyone.  You are a sad, sad little man.  I am sorry for you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551261.0

yeah that'll be me, a man with an opinion, i know it runs against the grain but there you have it.

ADD: I do admit that I took my personal repulsion of Eric Hansen and I applied it to my reasoning.
I was wrong in that I should have just ignored him in the first place. I have not offered you any proof of anything, I feel that proof will show for itself from what I have read in the confidential documentation which was leaked to me, whilst I was researching something along a totally different line.

I also understand the frustration that your hardware manufacturer is screwing you over left and right, while you attack the messenger of bad news.
I'm sorry for your frustration and also for the millions of £'s that your h/w builder is accruing while you are the ones who have funded their greed.
you asked for disruptive? you are welcome.

direct your anger at those who are delaying your profit, not the ones who show it in plain sight.

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March 31, 2014, 08:07:46 PM
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Hello,

The Neptune first batch was advertised with shipping either in Q1 or Q2.
*The miners are expected to ship before the end of Q2. Unfortunately, we do not have more specific time frames.
**We are now in the foundry stage and as soon as the chips arrive we will let you all know.


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*The miners are expected to ship within Q2.
We have finished designing the chips and now expecting for them to arrive.
We should have more specific information and updates once the chips arrive.
Please do not hesitate in contacting us if you have further questions.


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https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-79

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**We are now in the foundry stage and as soon as the chips arrive we will let you all know.

Good to see the knc customer service have discovered cut and paste Cheesy Your $10000+ order means a lot to them.

Script based miners are way off yet, don't expect anything from Knc until the end of the year or Q1 of next year.



Why is that? I'm not too familiar with KNC, never bothered about this thread as it is too fucking long. Any other thoughts on delivery time?

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March 31, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
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Hello,

The Neptune first batch was advertised with shipping either in Q1 or Q2.
*The miners are expected to ship before the end of Q2. Unfortunately, we do not have more specific time frames.
**We are now in the foundry stage and as soon as the chips arrive we will let you all know.


Best regards  |
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*The miners are expected to ship within Q2.
We have finished designing the chips and now expecting for them to arrive.
We should have more specific information and updates once the chips arrive.
Please do not hesitate in contacting us if you have further questions.


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https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-79

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**We are now in the foundry stage and as soon as the chips arrive we will let you all know.

Good to see the knc customer service have discovered cut and paste Cheesy Your $10000+ order means a lot to them.

Script based miners are way off yet, don't expect anything from Knc until the end of the year or Q1 of next year.



Why is that? I'm not too familiar with KNC, never bothered about this thread as it is too fucking long. Any other thoughts on delivery time?

2025
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2025


You are so smooth at running your mouth that you forgot to use the best tool on your body...  You know the one inside your skull...  Or maybe you are having brain diarrhea...
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Are the last 1600 pages just as entertaining?


Hai
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Are the last 1600 pages just as entertaining?


I wish, it is one thing to post something funny-smart to be entertaining...  It is something else altogether when it is just plain dumb-and-dumber.  Just when you think it is not possible for someone to post a dumber, thoughtless comment, there is another one... and another...

We don't all have to agree; I appreciate intelligent discussion/argument.  But this whole bitcoin forum has been turning into a freak show...  I left for a month and came back to find it has actually gotten worse.  I am beginning to think there must be something wrong with me to feel like we can have intelligent, logical adult conversations here.
Never ever underestimate the stupidity of humans...
To quote Einstein:
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

Happy mining!

Quotient- Closed loop economy enviroment experiment
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March 31, 2014, 09:34:22 PM
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I know that technical details are important, but what we don't know is what will be the hashing power and energy usage.
---SNIP---

Disclaimer:
My calculations below are just guestimations and speculation based on limited experience and sample size.
I would not be suprised if flaws in my reasoning are found.

Also note W/Gh is a manufacturer term for power usage @ ASIC.
I'm currently consumnig another 21% @ the wall (120VAC 90+ supplies).

What KnCMiner has said publicly.
(initially)
43% power reduction.
1440 core per ASIC.
(updated)
Additional 11% power savings spent on more core per ASIC

~1600 core per ASIC

(I subtracted the 11% from the already calculated -43% figure for ~50% total improvement NOT 54%)

currently 28nm 1w/Gh
estimated 20nm 0.5073W/Gh

1600 cores @ current default Oct. 28nm core speed of 750Mhz
3 ASIC, 1200Gh/s each ASIC consuming 608.76 WATTS each.
(that would be like pulling an Elephant out of the hat IMneverHO)
3.6T stock clock

1600 cores @ 500Mhz
4 ASIC, 800Gh/s each ASIC @ 405W
3.2T stock clock

This is doable with heat management on both sides of the chip/PCB.
(based on knowing many 28nm ASIC currently pulling close to 200W 24/7)

They will have to keep adding ASIC till power is managable.
They may add ASIC for other reasons.
IMneverHO it will boil down to how much heat they can pump thru the heatspreader.

Currently the 28nm part has 16cm^2 (40x40mm raised area on 50x50 chip)
A different heatspreader and 25cm^2 is available.
(did they mention a 55x55mm package?)

I'm guessing total @ wall a bit above 2kW
Definately need 200+ VAC circuit for most situations.
A 15A 220VAC(ASSuMEd USA power std.) circuit would be minimum I'd consider for a single Neptune.

YMMV
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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.
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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.

Something does not compute, because a fine swedish lady from customers support gave an assurance of Q2 shipping  Wink
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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.

Nvidia delayed SELLING 20nm because the cost does not drop fast enough IN THE FUTURE.
Your implication that Nvidia delayed due to some show stopper 20nm issue is not persuasive.

KnCMiner does not have this concern as long as customers are willing to pay the price.
I very much doubt KnCMiner 20nm ASIC delivery depends on the cost of chips next year.

pixels are not Satoshis and miners expect to spend more per.


YMMV
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Do they have 20nm asics ready?

I hear Nvidia has delayed 20nm parts till 2015, and I very much doubt knc can get them before Nvidia does.

Something does not compute, because a fine swedish lady from customers support gave an assurance of Q2 shipping  Wink

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