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May 20, 2014, 02:50:35 AM
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I mistaken the 13TH question for the 5-6TH one.

Yes KNC can build the Neptune to 5-6TH  But I dont think KNC or Spoon can sell a 13TH machine now for 10k which is what is needed at todays dificulty level to Roi.

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May 20, 2014, 02:51:35 AM
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Looks like I just answered a question that was deleted …


The question was "Can they afford to sell it for $10K"

I replied: Probably, and give away a 2nd one in August to help their loyal customers stay profitable.

If Knc on schedule to deliver Neptune end of June. and additional free Neptune after 2nd batch late July/early August those 2 Neptunes will roi about 6 btc or less.
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May 20, 2014, 02:52:16 AM
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You guys have been spoilt by the era of easy money in bitcoin mining and have lost the faith.
Time to turn it over to the next generation !

It was not that easy. You fucking kids have it all easy now with your fancy asics. In my day we used a CPU or GPU to mine BTC, and we liked it!


Meh, thats nuthin!

I'm still running mechanical miners.
My secret is tapping into bio engines for power.

I get about 1 Gh/s per gram of gerbil food/day.
It took a while to smooth out my system but once I designed power wheels that self adjusted for the pregnant gerbils, my farm stabilized.

My current/only issue is with health monitoring, they don't type too well.
I had initially thought it was an issue with toenails.
My experiment with abrasive wheel surface to mitigate toenail growth and improve communication was a disaster.
I almost did not notice the pink hue of the pool water in time.

Currently running 308th generation miner.
The ASIC folks are still on gen 2-3 BTW!

Ahhhhhh, the acrid smell of sucess! Wink

as usual
YMMV
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May 20, 2014, 02:52:39 AM
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Well, we were discussing what to expect from KNC next month. My guess is a SP30 class machine. My comment was an attempt to address some skepticism. I agree, I don't think KNC will announce a 13TH Neptune next month.

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May 20, 2014, 02:53:04 AM
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If SP can go from 192 Hammer chips in 40nm == 1.4TH (SP10) to 30 RockerBox chips in 28nm == 5.4 TH (SP30) just through a die shrink,
that is an increase in GH/chip of from 7.3GH to 180GH or a factor of ~ 24

Applying the same scaling from Jupiter to Neptune  would give you a ~ 13Th machine so is 5-6TH so hard to imagine ?

The size of the spondoolies next gen chip is much larger than their first gen. 7mm vs 19mm(?) so it is much less dramatic than 24 times.

I think you should expect about 2 times the power density per die shrink.
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May 20, 2014, 02:54:36 AM
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If Knc on schedule to deliver Neptune end of June. and additional free Neptune after 2nd batch late July/early August those 2 Neptunes will roi about 6 btc or less.

Sounds like you better just give up then !
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May 20, 2014, 02:56:02 AM
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Well, we were discussing what to expect from KNC next month. My guess is a SP30 class machine. My comment was an attempt to address some skepticism. I agree, I don't think KNC will announce a 13TH Neptune next month.



I think Neptune will come out much earlier than SP30.  They can make more powerful if they want to, depends how much they want to give back to customer.
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May 20, 2014, 02:56:21 AM
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The size of the spondoolies next gen chip is much larger than their first gen. 7mm vs 19mm(?) so it is much less dramatic than 24 times.

I think you should expect about 2 times the power density per die shrink.

I think power dissipation will be the limiting factor for Neptune performance. That is probably why the case/physical design is still up in the air. Perhaps we'll see some waterblocks on the Neptune ?
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May 20, 2014, 02:58:56 AM
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If Knc on schedule to deliver Neptune end of June. and additional free Neptune after 2nd batch late July/early August those 2 Neptunes will roi about 6 btc or less.

Sounds like you better just give up then !

I gave up mining last month with 1.8 TH

This thread is about how KNC screw the customer by saying Q1/2 and delivering on last possible day.  Then with Plan B exchange for used farm equipment.  Then when they ship the franken jups they fup too, they give away another 3TH, but they dont care because they need to clear the Datacenter for the Neptunes.

Geex the FREE Neptune they are giving away after 2nd batch will be lucky to make $500    Really sucks.
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May 20, 2014, 03:04:48 AM
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This thread is about how KNC screw the customer

No. This thread is about 'Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com'. It been hijacked by a bunch of whiners customers who aren't happy about the way they were treated and take every opportunity to repeat ad naseum their complaints and demands. When KNC does ship a Neptune on time and it is a SP30 class machine, they are going to do more whining about how they wanted back into the Neptune queue but KNC wouldn't let them.
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May 20, 2014, 03:06:12 AM
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I think they will ship on time too, last day of June.  They are just holding out.
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May 20, 2014, 03:06:41 AM
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3th right 2 months ago is much better than get 13th 5 months later, game is over for us whom can't build own ASIC miner, the only mistake for us is we are lack of technology, so the way we can do is just awaiting for delivery, and months wait for my miner let me understood, money can let you see through one man's real face.

not because money spoil people, but the way they already were, just you didn't find it yet.



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May 20, 2014, 03:12:23 AM
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3th right 2 months ago is much better than get 13th 5 months later, game is over for us whom can't build own ASIC miner, the only mistake for us is we are lack of technology, so the way we can do is just awaiting for delivery, and months wait for my miner let me understood, money can let you see through one man's real face.

not because money spoil people, but the way they already were, just you didn't find it yet.

13TH machine at .8 watts GH will make less than $500 in October 19 with Diff at 58 Billion.

But it wont even get that far.  By August at 25 B diff  manufacturers cant build at less than $ .50 GH and .5 watts/GH or less and be profitable.
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May 20, 2014, 03:37:27 AM
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3th right 2 months ago is much better than get 13th 5 months later, game is over for us whom can't build own ASIC miner, the only mistake for us is we are lack of technology, so the way we can do is just awaiting for delivery, and months wait for my miner let me understood, money can let you see through one man's real face.

not because money spoil people, but the way they already were, just you didn't find it yet.

13TH machine at .8 watts GH will make less than $500 in October 19 with Diff at 58 Billion.

But it wont even get that far.  By August at 25 B diff  manufacturers cant build at less than $ .50 GH and .5 watts/GH or less and be profitable.

Hopefully, wait and see, if they can really broke Moore's law.



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May 20, 2014, 03:40:55 AM
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3th right 2 months ago is much better than get 13th 5 months later, game is over for us whom can't build own ASIC miner, the only mistake for us is we are lack of technology, so the way we can do is just awaiting for delivery, and months wait for my miner let me understood, money can let you see through one man's real face.

not because money spoil people, but the way they already were, just you didn't find it yet.

13TH machine at .8 watts GH will make less than $500 in October 19 with Diff at 58 Billion.

But it wont even get that far.  By August at 25 B diff  manufacturers cant build at less than $ .50 GH and .5 watts/GH or less and be profitable.

Hopefully, wait and see, if they can really broke Moore's law.

Bitcoin GREED killed the mining market.  Except for the first few Asic companies, everyone else came too late or underestimated the competition, thats why the "fireworks" will extend past this 4th of July.
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May 20, 2014, 04:11:21 AM
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You guys have been spoilt by the era of easy money in bitcoin mining and have lost the faith.
Time to turn it over to the next generation !

It was not that easy. You fucking kids have it all easy now with your fancy asics. In my day we used a CPU or GPU to mine BTC, and we liked it!


Meh, thats nuthin!

I'm still running mechanical miners.
My secret is tapping into bio engines for power.

I get about 1 Gh/s per gram of gerbil food/day.
It took a while to smooth out my system but once I designed power wheels that self adjusted for the pregnant gerbils, my farm stabilized.

My current/only issue is with health monitoring, they don't type too well.
I had initially thought it was an issue with toenails.
My experiment with abrasive wheel surface to mitigate toenail growth and improve communication was a disaster.
I almost did not notice the pink hue of the pool water in time.

Currently running 308th generation miner.
The ASIC folks are still on gen 2-3 BTW!

Ahhhhhh, the acrid smell of sucess! Wink

as usual
YMMV
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I hear average chinaman so good at math they hash by hand much faster than ASIC..   they laugh and sell miners to stupid roundeyes

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May 20, 2014, 04:28:57 AM
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3th right 2 months ago is much better than get 13th 5 months later, game is over for us whom can't build own ASIC miner, the only mistake for us is we are lack of technology, so the way we can do is just awaiting for delivery, and months wait for my miner let me understood, money can let you see through one man's real face.

not because money spoil people, but the way they already were, just you didn't find it yet.

13TH machine at .8 watts GH will make less than $500 in October 19 with Diff at 58 Billion.

But it wont even get that far.  By August at 25 B diff  manufacturers cant build at less than $ .50 GH and .5 watts/GH or less and be profitable.

Hopefully, wait and see, if they can really broke Moore's law.

Bitcoin GREED killed the mining market.  Except for the first few Asic companies, everyone else came too late or underestimated the competition, thats why the "fireworks" will extend past this 4th of July.

My Dear,
I just hope they give me my machine 2 month sge, then there will never so much noise.



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May 20, 2014, 04:52:20 AM
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I've been following this thread for some time now.  And there isn't much talk about Titans.

I'm planning to buy one, can anyone give some more insight?

All I'm seeing here is that ''It might ship broken'' ''It'll die in 4 months from heat''

As far as sending them a bank transfer of $10K, I'll be risking that along with will the machine even work  Sad

Someone stop me before I do it or someone give me a push to do it is what I'm looking for.

With the current rate of Doge or Lite coin.  Let's say I get $400 / 300/MHS that's $12K a month. I'll make it back in a month. Or am I walking into a scam right now.
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May 20, 2014, 05:04:57 AM
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if we receive Nipy 5 months ago, we also make 12000/month, but you look at it now~

you math is they ship machine now, and you mine with in 7 days, by the time they ship your Tity is a junk too, like Nipys, don't trust any pre order term anymore, nowadays they just took our money to build their data center.

You know, now they are Noa try to wash out all evile on the earth(us?), and the way took money and not ship is the method, chase out greedy and evile people(us?), then reform a land, and before the floods come, sorry, there is no space on the ship for bad guys(us?)! or we are that new born twins becking for mercy

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May 20, 2014, 05:14:59 AM
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There's one possibility nobody talked about :
KNC produces the Neptunes, puts them in their datacenter, decides to cancel the shipping of the Neptune and Titan and refund everybody with the mined BTC (legally they earned money by keeping the fiat).



I think they will ship on time too, last day of June.  They are just holding out.
You can bet, look at my signature.

My lucky BTC address : 1LoTTerY3WYbGxVRHvh8oDudDdTxFvvqWF
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