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July 11, 2013, 05:39:18 PM
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So with an order today you expect a shipment when??
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But seriously, try reading the last fucking pages.

Thanks for the help n00b.

If they had a meaningful and updated OP I wouldn't have to ask.

No, you're just being a lazy ass.
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July 11, 2013, 05:42:39 PM
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So with an order today you expect a shipment when??
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But seriously, try reading the last fucking pages.

Thanks for the help n00b.

If they had a meaningful and updated OP I wouldn't have to ask.

No, you're just being a lazy ass.
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July 11, 2013, 05:46:43 PM
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I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".
I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

Meh w.r.t. production you're talking of a module or two added to an existing order, not a brand new order of multiple units. No one will have ordered multiple Saturns when they could pay less for Jupiters and an odd Saturn at the end if that's what they could afford at the time. So even in that example at worst it's an additional two modules to an order...

Hehe - that being said. I ordered 2 Saturns instead of 1 Jupiter Cheesy - Feels stupid now omg

Why?? Surely you could have that altered. Not only is it additional funds, surely it's wasted additional electricity?!

I ordered one Saturn -.... and decided for a second later on - will surely merge them in case of given possibility. Let's wait how the new shop will look like :-)
Why not upgrade one, sell the other when it is in-hand... might pay off a bit.

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July 11, 2013, 05:58:59 PM
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Something tells me that if there was any scamming afoot, the hosting option would not be priced as it is. Perhaps electricity is more expensive there, but that just seems a bit high? Was figuring they would take a percentage of the coins mined, but the release reads like payment may be requested in USD? Just have to wait for more details and see I guess. After reading that portion of the update, I'm now seriously thinking about having my unit shipped.

In Europe you easily pay 0,30$ per 1000W/h. We use too much green energy here Wink

0,3$*24h*30days = 216$ alone for energy per month.... :-/

So from my point of view pricing is ok

I don't know about that. According to www.energy.eu electricity rates for industry are 0.07764 euros/kW and residential rates are 0.20092/kW . I can't imagine that a data center would pay residential rates for electricity so to me this looks to be on the expensive side...
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July 11, 2013, 07:38:00 PM
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Something tells me that if there was any scamming afoot, the hosting option would not be priced as it is. Perhaps electricity is more expensive there, but that just seems a bit high? Was figuring they would take a percentage of the coins mined, but the release reads like payment may be requested in USD? Just have to wait for more details and see I guess. After reading that portion of the update, I'm now seriously thinking about having my unit shipped.

In Europe you easily pay 0,30$ per 1000W/h. We use too much green energy here Wink

0,3$*24h*30days = 216$ alone for energy per month.... :-/

So from my point of view pricing is ok

I don't know about that. According to www.energy.eu electricity rates for industry are 0.07764 euros/kW and residential rates are 0.20092/kW . I can't imagine that a data center would pay residential rates for electricity so to me this looks to be on the expensive side...


Why does someone buy a hosting service:

1) Redundancy - UPS systems , generators etc. total power outage failsafe (this means that for every W of power used, it is also reserved in the DC's backup systems)
2) Abnormal power & Cooling requirements guaranteeing longevity for equipment for air humidity etc.
3) Security - would you put your moneymaker in a bank enviroment or in your mattress at home?

4532) Power costs. many datacenters use green power because the amount of power generated from one single datacenter has a huge carbon footprint.

for me its a no-brainer for my jupiter. keeping shipping /VAT / power consumption and common sense, its going in a hosted enviroment.
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July 11, 2013, 07:47:22 PM
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I hate to compare, but even BFL doesn't allow for upgrades after the order is placed.
BFL did allow for upgrade options.
5GH/s to 7GH/s
and
Jalapeno to Little Single or Single.

you would think when ordering chips and circuit boards they (KnC) would order thousands at a time.
I don't think throwing a couple extra circuit boards in the shipping package with original order would slow the production line down.

And even if they did decide to install themselves you would think to add extra work force to keep up the production line original pace.

Well if this were my business that's how I would plan to run it.



And look how much confusion its added Tongue
I mean, they almost didn't want to ship Little Singles like they promised in the order queue positions. Jody originally told people yes, then no, and went back to yes. It would've been a poop show.

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July 11, 2013, 08:46:50 PM
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I pre-ordered early and purchased 2 jupiters and 1 saturn and requested hosting for all 3. Now They say they will not host saturn units so I would like to upgrade the saturn unit without losing my place in the shipping queue which seems fair.
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July 11, 2013, 09:41:54 PM
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As a side note, what in the world is KNC going to name their next (bigger) rig?
They kinda' went straight for the biggie planet there...

Oh, I know....introducing the 2015 KNC "SUN" - A bright spot in the otherwise dark world of bitcoin mining.

Sirius? Beetlegeuse? Plenty of options. Wink



Osiris (which happens to be 2.5 times the size of Jupiter) is one of 4 unofficially named extra-solar system planets.

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July 11, 2013, 09:43:20 PM
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I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".
I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

Meh w.r.t. production you're talking of a module or two added to an existing order, not a brand new order of multiple units. No one will have ordered multiple Saturns when they could pay less for Jupiters and an odd Saturn at the end if that's what they could afford at the time. So even in that example at worst it's an additional two modules to an order...

Hehe - that being said. I ordered 2 Saturns instead of 1 Jupiter Cheesy - Feels stupid now omg

Why?? Surely you could have that altered. Not only is it additional funds, surely it's wasted additional electricity?!

I ordered one Saturn -.... and decided for a second later on - will surely merge them in case of given possibility. Let's wait how the new shop will look like :-)
Why not upgrade one, sell the other when it is in-hand... might pay off a bit.

Ya, possibly a nice option - depending on how this whole story continues - ... so many unknown factors...

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July 11, 2013, 10:02:54 PM
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As a side note, what in the world is KNC going to name their next (bigger) rig?
They kinda' went straight for the biggie planet there...

Oh, I know....introducing the 2015 KNC "SUN" - A bright spot in the otherwise dark world of bitcoin mining.

Sirius? Beetlegeuse? Plenty of options. Wink

Osiris (which happens to be 2.5 times the size of Jupiter) is one of 4 unofficially named extra-solar system planets.

http://exonamesociety.forumotions.net/t4-list-of-names
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_209458_b


I don't know, I think they've unwittingly destroyed their potential upgrade path.
My vote is they change all new rigs to aquatic lifeform names and start off with
something really small like the "SEAHORSE 800" and build up to the "BLUE WHALE
ONE BILLION". That should give them a little breathing room. Wink
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July 12, 2013, 12:14:17 AM
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THX, i was unable to do click LMB/RMB.

You are welcome, always happy to help the less fortunate, technologically deficient.....
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July 12, 2013, 12:24:24 AM
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Does it concern anyone that Bitfury has chips in the field being tested with images and videos available?
Will we see similar from KNC? Aren't they both projecting miner availability in September?

https://bitcentury.io/blog/bitfury-asic-in-action

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July 12, 2013, 01:06:28 AM
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Does it concern anyone that Bitfury has chips in the field being tested with images and videos available?
Will we see similar from KNC? Aren't they both projecting miner availability in September?

https://bitcentury.io/blog/bitfury-asic-in-action



Not really-  hedge your bet and order from them too if you are worried.  You can get a refund here as well

Last thing we need is another 80 pages of worry before sept

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July 12, 2013, 01:10:50 AM
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I do have early orders in for miners from both sources.  That's why I noticed the difference.
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July 12, 2013, 01:15:02 AM
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Does it concern anyone that Bitfury has chips in the field being tested with images and videos available?
Will we see similar from KNC? Aren't they both projecting miner availability in September?

https://bitcentury.io/blog/bitfury-asic-in-action



Why are you expecting this kind of video from KNCminer when it's pretty obvious that the ASIC wafers are still in production? You can't have a prototype video without the chips!

They already did a video with the FPGA prototype.

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July 12, 2013, 01:26:29 AM
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I guess that's my point. Metabank and KNC both collected pre-order money in early June.  Metabank's Bitfury chips have been manufactured but KNC's have not. It may just be a difference in schedule priorities. Just wondering...
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July 12, 2013, 01:57:26 AM
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I guess that's my point. Metabank and KNC both collected pre-order money in early June.  Metabank's Bitfury chips have been manufactured but KNC's have not. It may just be a difference in schedule priorities. Just wondering...

May be KNC need to disclosed more details on what's going on? be more open.
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July 12, 2013, 02:00:50 AM
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The difficulty would have to be around 1,450,000,000 (Yes 1 Billion 450 Million Difficulty) for a 400GH Machine @ $350/month to not break even anymore at current BTC Prices (which I estimate are low)

Hopefully you can pay off your machine before that point Tongue

Before this, I have to calculate the sum carefully. 400T may not raise 4 times higher at this point.
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July 12, 2013, 02:02:04 AM
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Does it concern anyone that Bitfury has chips in the field being tested with images and videos available?
Will we see similar from KNC? Aren't they both projecting miner availability in September?

https://bitcentury.io/blog/bitfury-asic-in-action



Why are you expecting this kind of video from KNCminer when it's pretty obvious that the ASIC wafers are still in production? You can't have a prototype video without the chips!

They already did a video with the FPGA prototype.



The Kncminer only proves they are doong the thing.
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July 12, 2013, 02:03:16 AM
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I guess that's my point. Metabank and KNC both collected pre-order money in early June.  Metabank's Bitfury chips have been manufactured but KNC's have not. It may just be a difference in schedule priorities. Just wondering...

May be KNC need to disclosed more details on what's going on? be more open.

The latest report reports they still keep on trackbefore 30 September 2013.
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