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October 15, 2013, 07:09:20 AM
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my unit is on hold Sad

Malmo Sturup, Sweden    15.10.2013    8:53   Pkg delay-add'l security check by Gov't or other agency- beyond UPS control

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October 15, 2013, 07:12:31 AM
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Lol, we should have paid attention to the signs, Wink



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The best option is to adjust rather than give up on this.

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Lol, we should have paid attention to the signs, Wink







How can you compare KnC with Avalon or even BFL?HuhHuhHuhHuh?? Seriously HuhHuh?





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October 15, 2013, 07:15:58 AM
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You know the game when you played it. That is, preorder ASIC mining equipment.

If you never imagined something like this could happen then I'm just saying, you clearly don't know what you got yourself into in the first place.

Not true. The ASIC part was on time. I saw the fucking thing hashing in september as planned.
The ASIC engineers didn't fuck this up, it was the logistics. No-one would mind firmware updates, that was to be expected. Being fed either bullshit or nothing at all...that's insulting.

Oh, and the original terms were refund until shipping. I have had fuck all ship or even in production but they are clear about no refund. A changed goalpost , one of many.
According to their site today you can pay and  be "up and running the day after your purchase of your product." Really? That true? Not even close. Where I live we call that misleading. We know it's shite  and some people seem to enjoy taking that, but remember that not everyone reads this forum and that site is accessible for any customer from anywhere ..maybe seeing Sam boasting on one of the many interviews prompts people into considering buying a miner..and be bitterly disappointed.

ok that's it I'm fed up with you....BAN till the 25th of OCT....then I'll be on the same footing with you but until then...we all knew it was a risk...hell the plane could've crashed with the chips on board in the hands of a dead hand courier....that didn't happen...they are trying to play the utilitarian card and are probably trying to get shit figured out under our noses until the 25th (10 days past their promise date)  I am willing to give them the "worse case scenario has happened"  All your bitching and shit...we don't really know for sure where you stand with your orders since you've omitted your information on the order list which makes me think you're not a day1/2 order.  I promise to unban you come October 23rd if I have no email in my inbox signaling tracking info from KNC and will join in with the pitchforks.  [omfg they promised they promised I didn't have the stomach for risk nor the spare money to risk away but now that I see this it makes things all better to vent my emotions outward]  You tool do you hear yourself???

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October 15, 2013, 07:20:17 AM
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Lol, we should have paid attention to the signs, Wink



https://i.imgur.com/6Ms5qIu.png



How can you compare KnC with Avalon or even BFL?HuhHuhHuhHuh?? Seriously HuhHuh?


No need they did it for me, lol

Like the old saying goes a picture says a thousand words Smiley
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October 15, 2013, 07:22:46 AM
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my unit is on hold Sad

Malmo Sturup, Sweden    15.10.2013    8:53   Pkg delay-add'l security check by Gov't or other agency- beyond UPS control
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Malmo Sturup, Sweden    10/15/2013    8:53   Pkg delay-add'l security check by Gov't or other agency- beyond UPS control
Malmo Sturup, Sweden    10/14/2013    22:35   Arrival Scan
Jonkoping, Sweden    10/14/2013    18:45   Departure Scan
Sweden    10/14/2013    8:00   Order Processed: Ready for UPS
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October 15, 2013, 07:25:07 AM
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Lol, we should have paid attention to the signs, Wink







How can you compare KnC with Avalon or even BFL?HuhHuhHuhHuh?? Seriously HuhHuh?


No need they did it for me, lol

Like the old saying goes a picture says a thousand words Smiley

yes you are right, 1 month delay is exactly the same as 1 year delay, full of lies, no customer support and no communication....





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the shoddy-apologists are out in force again....

blame the victims!!

call them poor!

call them fools!

anything but accept that lies, fake claims of confidence & SHIT customer service cause people to invest their money in a losing venture....

you make me sick!

& notice not ONE question has been answered from my 4th or 5th posting of them...

dont the answers to these questions matter?

dont the customers who wish to be informed matter?

or are they just poor & foolish businesses?
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my unit is on hold Sad

Malmo Sturup, Sweden    15.10.2013    8:53   Pkg delay-add'l security check by Gov't or other agency- beyond UPS control
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Malmo Sturup, Sweden    10/15/2013    8:53   Pkg delay-add'l security check by Gov't or other agency- beyond UPS control
Malmo Sturup, Sweden    10/14/2013    22:35   Arrival Scan
Jonkoping, Sweden    10/14/2013    18:45   Departure Scan
Sweden    10/14/2013    8:00   Order Processed: Ready for UPS
sad for you two
hope it wont takes too long
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October 15, 2013, 07:34:14 AM
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the shoddy-apologists are out in force again....

blame the victims!!

call them poor!

call them fools!

anything but accept that lies, fake claims of confidence & SHIT customer service cause people to invest their money in a losing venture....

you make me sick!

& notice not ONE question has been answered from my 4th or 5th posting of them...

dont the answers to these questions matter?

dont the customers who wish to be informed matter?

or are they just poor & foolish businesses?

I don't get that either. Reminds me of scientologists lmao

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October 15, 2013, 07:53:02 AM
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Amazes me how people think/assume this is a 100% foolproof money making scheme.

Send money. Get bitcoin miner. Collect profits.

LOL. The risks were always there and always will be there. If you're too weak, seriously consider something else less risky.

So okay your miners are late. That's the risk part of the game.

But hey I'm sure it will arrive soon anyway. All the rant posts doesn't do anything to help speed up the process.

But you know this is bitcoins so there's always people with different agendas here. Say if I were a greedy hashfast or cointerra customer, I'd be in this thread making up a fuss about everything and anything. Less people buying/getting refunds = more profits. Am I right or am I right? Roll Eyes
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October 15, 2013, 07:57:01 AM
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Lol, we should have paid attention to the signs, Wink




Nice, you just prove you are a hypocrite by posting this photo and implying KNC is like BFL and Avalon after you condemning me (in your very last post before the photo) for showing how KNC 1-2 weeks delay with 20+ % extra hash rate has set a new gold standard compare to Avalon's 3+ months delay with zero communication and BFL over-communicating and attacking their customers with their 9-12 months delay.  So once again, why do you think KNC is even approaching the same level as BFL or Avalon?  They had a news release just 4 days ago.  In the meantime what do you think they should be doing?  Do you prefer them hiding out in a cave for 3 months like Yifu or hiring Josh to bash and belittle you the customer to prove that you are right in showing this photo and for proving they are almost as bad as BFL and Avalon?
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October 15, 2013, 07:57:30 AM
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Amazes me how people think/assume this is a 100% foolproof money making scheme.

Send money. Get bitcoin miner. Collect profits.

LOL. The risks were always there and always will be there. If you're too weak, seriously consider something else less risky.

So okay your miners are late. That's the risk part of the game.

But hey I'm sure it will arrive soon anyway. All the rant posts doesn't do anything to help speed up the process.

But you know this is bitcoins so there's always people with different agendas here. Say if I were a greedy hashfast or cointerra customer, I'd be in this thread making up a fuss about everything and anything. Less people buying/getting refunds = more profits. Am I right or am I right? Roll Eyes

amazes me when trolls stick their oar in with nothing but condescension.

and then ask - am i right or am i right....

C**t!

Your anger amuses me. But yeah I'm not trolling or at least I think I'm not anyway Roll Eyes

Sometimes the truth is just too hard to handle.

You should try getting off the computer for a while. Looks like you might explode there or something.
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October 15, 2013, 07:59:39 AM
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PKG DELAY-ADD'L SECURITY CHECK BY GOV'T OR OTHER AGENCY- BEYOND UPS CONTROL

my info ups

looking job
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October 15, 2013, 08:01:39 AM
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KNCMiner will finish shipping all their orders by a max time this Friday. If you look at my previous posts, I calculate that based on making 100 units a day, my guesstimate, and a total queue of 1500, the latest you would get your miner is by Friday. There should be a newsletter release on this day, the fifteen. Just sit back. You will make ROI. the question of whether you will make profit after that is understandable. You could let paying off the ROI slide and invest in other companies until KNCMiner comes out with the next generation of chips. That is what I am going to do. I am going to let paying off my ROI slide while I gather more hardware. The best option is to adjust rather than give up on this.

Thats an interesting switch from your previous comments,  it seemed before you were very pissed off about your Jupiters not arriving, did you perhaps gain some info?
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October 15, 2013, 08:05:03 AM
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PKG DELAY-ADD'L SECURITY CHECK BY GOV'T OR OTHER AGENCY- BEYOND UPS CONTROL

my info ups
some ppl got the same as yours
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October 15, 2013, 08:05:11 AM
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PKG DELAY-ADD'L SECURITY CHECK BY GOV'T OR OTHER AGENCY- BEYOND UPS CONTROL

my info ups

is the final destination in EU ?

Bitcoin is a participatory system which ought to respect the right of self determinism of all of its users - Gregory Maxwell.
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October 15, 2013, 08:12:03 AM
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O.K. Let's put this is a better perspective.

On the last day of September we all saw the video of them producing cards and boasting about the hashing power they had with that Jupiter.
We all heard them say that day one orders were being shipped "today" (which was that day in september), and day 2 would begin tomorrow.

We ALL breathed a sigh of relief. They seemed to have 2 weeks to produce the rigs, and none if us would have been pissed off if they took a day or two longer as long as they said that, and gave a reason. (they also said they had the capacity to do the production, 30 stations).

Even on that day, people saw what seemed to be evidence of a company that was trustworthy and capable of producing what they said. Given the choice, who would have cancelled their order? Not many because it seemed that things were going as planned give or take a day or so. No reason to worry.

Yet now they have gone into stealth mode, fucked up just about every aspect ssince and failed to deliver...idiots are on here saying people who didn't get rigs and aren't likely to for a while should have done better D and D ? Fact is, ORSOC did their part , they over delivered, they are engineers.
KnC are a marketing company, the everyday stuff was down to them. I can't think of a single thing they have done right. they made all the efforts of ORSOC worthless, and all our research too.

IF I knew I'd get my rig this week, I'd be a little miffed, but that's life and shit happens. As things stand I have zero information on when it may arrive, it may arrive at the same time as the 2nd batch which were a lot cheaper...which is ridiculous to expect me to be happy about isn't it?

Still they say nothing, treat us with contempt. Is that the way to improve customer satisfaction? Is that professional?

Unlike a lot of people here I don't get pleasure out of being flogged, I'm not masochistic at all. All I ask is for the same level of communication and respect they we all got from them BEFORE they had our money. I get that from every other company I deal with. If something is late, they apologise and explain why. It's good business. It's professional.
The reason that KnC haven't done this isn't because they are engineers, they aren't they are marketing men. Piss poor ones. !


I got mine. KNC is awesome.

I got mine as well (and still waiting for BFL which I ordered 3 months earlier than KNC).   Al things considering: KNC is the best you can get.
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October 15, 2013, 08:20:45 AM
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my unit is on hold Sad

Malmo Sturup, Sweden    15.10.2013    8:53   Pkg delay-add'l security check by Gov't or other agency- beyond UPS control
Same

Malmo Sturup, Sweden    10/15/2013    8:53   Pkg delay-add'l security check by Gov't or other agency- beyond UPS control
Malmo Sturup, Sweden    10/14/2013    22:35   Arrival Scan
Jonkoping, Sweden    10/14/2013    18:45   Departure Scan
Sweden    10/14/2013    8:00   Order Processed: Ready for UPS

Yep my Order #16xx says exactly the same thing:


Malmo Sturup, Sweden    15/10/2013    8:53    Pkg delay-add'l security check by Gov't or other agency- beyond UPS control
Malmo Sturup, Sweden    14/10/2013    22:35    Arrival Scan
Jonkoping, Sweden    14/10/2013    18:45    Departure Scan
Sweden    14/10/2013    7:59    Order Processed: Ready for UPS
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