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April 23, 2014, 08:30:01 PM
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Made 4th request for refund since the 16th without even one response. Account updated to " Refund ready for process (Payed) " but no email to accept banking info or give estimated refund date. I have also given them a BTC wallet address, if they would like to refund that way. Very piss-poor customer service, but they probably fired all the CS to hire more techs for their installs.

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April 23, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
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Received my tracking number today for the 3 TH Frankenjup. So should see exactly what it is on Friday.

Sneak preview of Frankenjup straight out of the shipping box:



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April 23, 2014, 09:20:52 PM
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Received my tracking number today for the 3 TH Frankenjup. So should see exactly what it is on Friday.

Sneak preview of Frankenjup straight out of the shipping box:



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My greatest fear! So far I've had no delivery problems other than fans that had popped off (KNC) and some loose boards (BitMain) but all of my equipment has worked as promised. I suppose it's my turn to suffer.
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April 23, 2014, 09:37:23 PM
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Received my tracking number today for the 3 TH Frankenjup. So should see exactly what it is on Friday.

Sneak preview of Frankenjup straight out of the shipping box:



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My greatest fear! So far I've had no delivery problems other than fans that had popped off (KNC) and some loose boards (BitMain) but all of my equipment has worked as promised. I suppose it's my turn to suffer.
i can confirm they are on the way...should have them tomorrow, I have my neck plugs ready for Frankenjup. Grin
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April 23, 2014, 09:40:04 PM
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Ok, maybe I´m just dump, but please be patient.
I´m reading this topic for a while and was wondering why some people are getting so angry.

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I so much sign this!
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April 23, 2014, 11:43:09 PM
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Received my tracking number today for the 3 TH Frankenjup. So should see exactly what it is on Friday.

Sneak preview of Frankenjup straight out of the shipping box:



 Grin

This is why I'd rather get the boards, their boxes and fans and carp don't ship well... I'll just put it together myself  Cool

In other news, it seems that KnC's pool addresses are dumping about $300,000.00 a day, sending it somewhere....

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April 24, 2014, 12:24:11 AM
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You guys that are being offered refunds in BTC, did you pay in BTC?  What does "special circumstances" mean?  If you have been waiting a long time for the cash refund?
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April 24, 2014, 01:18:49 AM
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One SHA engine is simple, deceptively so, cram so many together on a chip and you get horrendous power and leakage issues that are more like multipipe GPUs than CPUs or SOCs or anything.

If it was sofa king straightforward, every SHA ASIC ever thought of so far would have come in below, even at power target, on time, or even at all. (AM had a fail, BFL had a fail. and don't forget they were working with reputable design and layout houses. And there might have been a couple of private venture flops we've never heard of)

You've got one guy who designed all Samsung top shit failing to get his projected 2Gh out of the cointerras for example. Hashfast approached the SHA ASIC game as "this is going to be a piece of piss" and got their fingers burned off to the shoulder.

Anyway, when you've gone out and made a SHA ASIC that came in on time, with power and frequency within even 30% of the theoretical capabilities of the process, then I'll let you tell me how simple SHA ASICs are to make.
This has already been discussed numerous times: only Bitfury used the proper design flow for the mining chip: BSIM (or equivalent analog/mixed-signal) simulation, but this was his first ASIC project. Everyone else used the low-power digital design tools that are emphatically, obviously bad at designing/simulating high-power chips and attempted to saved time by skipping the analog-level design verification.

Thus far all the alleged "top shits" failed to post any substantial technical information. So either they are just CAD monkeys or they knew things are different than promised, but the truth was only available under NDA.

There are many ways (not just leakage) in which immature process could be unsuitable for extraordinary complex chips like OoO CPU or HP GPU, yet sufficient for highly-redundant fault-tolerant designs. My personal SWAG from the available information is that 20nm CMOS processes suffer from random faults and wide spread of parameters so that the transistors aren't really "complementary".

Please comment, critique, criticize or ridicule BIP 2112: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0
Long-term mining prognosis: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91101.0
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April 24, 2014, 01:24:03 AM
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This has already been discussed numerous times: only Bitfury used the proper design flow for the mining chip: BSIM (or equivalent analog/mixed-signal) simulation, but this was his first ASIC project.

I would so love to see him do a 28nm shrink.

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April 24, 2014, 01:34:09 AM
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This has already been discussed numerous times: only Bitfury used the proper design flow for the mining chip: BSIM (or equivalent analog/mixed-signal) simulation, but this was his first ASIC project.
I would so love to see him do a 28nm shrink.
Bitfury can't just shrink his design. He did full-custom 55nm drawn transistors with 65nm nominal process. But at least he was knowledgeable enough to point my mistake that BSIM4 models are not required for his process, BSIM3 are enough.

My best guess is that everyone else (who did unrolled cores) used standard-cell low-power design flow and crude modeling/simulation tools that usually accompany digital synthesis tools.

Please comment, critique, criticize or ridicule BIP 2112: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0
Long-term mining prognosis: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91101.0
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April 24, 2014, 03:15:07 AM
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I am also waiting for a refund from KNC, I paid in fiat and i gave them all the info, no replies. it's been more than 2 weeks now...
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April 24, 2014, 03:23:47 AM
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I am also waiting for a refund from KNC, I paid in fiat and i gave them all the info, no replies. it's been more than 2 weeks now...

They've responded to my emails. Granted, not always right away. You could try calling and see if you have better luck..
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April 24, 2014, 06:30:19 AM
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Ok, maybe I´m just dump, but please be patient.
I´m reading this topic for a while and was wondering why some people are getting so angry.

I really don´t like the tone of some of you here, just because you are shitting bricks, you can talk normal.
Why are you guys getting so emotional?
You know you shouldn´t play with money you can not afford to lose.
Ok, it maybe sounds like a teacher. Just wanna let you know, I also ordered 3 Neptunes in November with a loan from my Bank.
Nobody forced me, it was my decision. So I can just blame my self.
I understand that KnC is behaving not very nice and customer friendly in some points. We all waiting for infos.
Clearly I would also be angry if I had to wait for weeks until I get my refund, or even an answer.
But until now, this didn´t happen to me with KnC.
Every time I wrote an email, I got an answer and had to wait at latest 2 days for it.
Maybe I´m just lucky?
I´d like to understand, why anybody changed his order to FrankenJup?
Ok, you´ll probably mining next week, but you´ll have 28nm and just 3 month warranty. Never ever would have done that.
Also wouldn´t change my order to Titans. It´s just scrypt, not scrypt-n and I think, we all are pretty sure, that it´ll come to late.

So either stay with Neptunes or refund.
So after all the speculations here, lets stay with the facts. And please correct me, if I´m wrong!

Until the Jupiters, KnC delivered as the one and only european company who builds asics as promised and way better.
Why would they saw off the branch they're sitting on?
They have a good name, they´ll surely try to keep it. They earned money, and yes of course, they want more.
Fine for me, as long as I get, what I paid for and I get it in time.

Who can prove, that this won´t happen? Q1 is over, I know, but they never promised it. Although we all wanted to believe it so desperately.

And please don´t compare AMD or NVIDIA 20nm problems with asics. It´s completely different.

Because they made all this shit from PRE-ORDER MONEY.

WE funded them with peorders. They were the nice guys with under promise over deliver, netwotk protection statement... and so and so.....

Now they fu.. our ass....

I couldn't say a word for example Bitmain do this, or Bitfury made his own mine... They never used customer funds to show something.

You wrote you ordered Neptunes, I think you got here at this stage. Check the beginning of this whole shit and you'll understand what is going on here.

Ps: And they on their way to make the largest mine on the world..... (maybe)


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April 24, 2014, 07:23:36 AM
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Because they made all this shit from PRE-ORDER MONEY.

WE funded them with peorders. They were the nice guys with under promise over deliver, netwotk protection statement... and so and so.....

Now they fu.. our ass....

I couldn't say a word for example Bitmain do this, or Bitfury made his own mine... They never used customer funds to show something.

You wrote you ordered Neptunes, I think you got here at this stage. Check the beginning of this whole shit and you'll understand what is going on here.

Ps: And they on their way to make the largest mine on the world..... (maybe)


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Still don´t get it.
So you´re basicly angry at your self, because you are supporting a company whose behaviour you don´t like ?!

All that you said was known before.
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April 24, 2014, 08:29:46 AM
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f you are still waiting on a refund from a neptune i advice you call KnC i just spoke with Anna and a request has been put in for my refund to be made in bitcoin. Don 't be scared to yell at the poor wee Scandinavian girl, she works for the devil, oh and don't let her talk over you as that is what she will try and do.
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April 24, 2014, 08:38:13 AM
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f you are still waiting on a refund from a neptune i advice you call KnC i just spoke with Anna and a request has been put in for my refund to be made in bitcoin. Don 't be scared to yell at the poor wee Scandinavian girl, she works for the devil, oh and don't let her talk over you as that is what she will try and do.

Works for the devil?





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April 24, 2014, 09:49:07 AM
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Because they made all this shit from PRE-ORDER MONEY.

WE funded them with peorders. They were the nice guys with under promise over deliver, netwotk protection statement... and so and so.....

Now they fu.. our ass....

I couldn't say a word for example Bitmain do this, or Bitfury made his own mine... They never used customer funds to show something.

You wrote you ordered Neptunes, I think you got here at this stage. Check the beginning of this whole shit and you'll understand what is going on here.

Ps: And they on their way to make the largest mine on the world..... (maybe)



Still don´t get it.
So you´re basicly angry at your self, because you are supporting a company whose behaviour you don´t like ?!

All that you said was known before.
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I'm not talking about Neptunes.

I'm talking about the begining of this whole shit, back a year ago....

Just read this whole thread from the begining and you'll get it.

And yes, I'm a bit angry at myself because i put trust in this company.....


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April 24, 2014, 10:27:35 AM
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One SHA engine is simple, deceptively so, cram so many together on a chip and you get horrendous power and leakage issues that are more like multipipe GPUs than CPUs or SOCs or anything.

If it was sofa king straightforward, every SHA ASIC ever thought of so far would have come in below, even at power target, on time, or even at all. (AM had a fail, BFL had a fail. and don't forget they were working with reputable design and layout houses. And there might have been a couple of private venture flops we've never heard of)

You've got one guy who designed all Samsung top shit failing to get his projected 2Gh out of the cointerras for example. Hashfast approached the SHA ASIC game as "this is going to be a piece of piss" and got their fingers burned off to the shoulder.

Anyway, when you've gone out and made a SHA ASIC that came in on time, with power and frequency within even 30% of the theoretical capabilities of the process, then I'll let you tell me how simple SHA ASICs are to make.
This has already been discussed numerous times: only Bitfury used the proper design flow for the mining chip: BSIM (or equivalent analog/mixed-signal) simulation, but this was his first ASIC project. Everyone else used the low-power digital design tools that are emphatically, obviously bad at designing/simulating high-power chips and attempted to saved time by skipping the analog-level design verification.

And the Bitfury chip was supposed to be 5Gh.... it's no more of a win than anyone elses has been.

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April 24, 2014, 10:29:06 AM
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f you are still waiting on a refund from a neptune i advice you call KnC i just spoke with Anna and a request has been put in for my refund to be made in bitcoin. Don 't be scared to yell at the poor wee Scandinavian girl, she works for the devil, oh and don't let her talk over you as that is what she will try and do.

I just had a 5 min call with Anna i think and she was explaining me that the Financial Department has to fill a lot of documents for the refund since my order was already reported to their tax authorities and also that they have to check my order payment even if after she asked my order number she reported back that i paid in November with bitcoins. I don't know what's there to check more...I did ask about bitcoins refund but she told me that it won't speed up the process except that i win the 3 days that it takes to receive my wire transfer. She also told me that the refund might take longer than 10 business days, but i will get my refund eventually. Back to the waiting line i guess. Refund asked on 11 April. Let's see how long will it take them...

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April 24, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
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Controller boards now on sale.

https://www.kncminer.com/products/controller-board

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