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[Darker45]

Canned sardines with egg, Canned Sardines with soy sauce and vinegar, Cheap vegetables that you can ask for a cheaper price, Noodles etc. There also a lot of carienderias everywhere which you can have a decent food, with rice free soup and unlimited water (lol)  for only Php 60.00 = $1.5 +- , For dresses there are also thrift shops everwhere, cheap but decent dresses. Ask her to cook you some "dilis" or "tuyo", I think you would love it.

Robbery or Akyat Bahay, is an inevitable "entity" specially in crowded places or squatter areas.

I mean, That is what Philippines can offer,decent job means decent life but what it makes difficult to live here is the Shitty Government, and that's the reality, this Government is Anti-Poor and that's part of living here, taking all the shit and also i forgot to add the Traffic, Inconvenience in Commuting, Guess you experienced the hell of commuting.

The discussion is getting funny at the same time serious in here.

It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.

The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.   

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[BADecker]

I read a news article the other day that talked about a woman in the States who needed a knee replacement. She, her doctor, and Social Security all agreed on performing the operation in Mexico, at a medically approve facility. The cost was less than half of what it would have cost her in the States, and that included transportation costs for both, herself and her doctor.

[tvbcof]

I read a news article the other day that talked about a woman in the States who needed a knee replacement. She, her doctor, and Social Security all agreed on performing the operation in Mexico, at a medically approve facility. The cost was less than half of what it would have cost her in the States, and that included transportation costs for both, herself and her doctor.

Only a 50% savings?  I'd say the woman is getting totally screwed.  Seems like medical cost 1/10th U.S. prices in The Philippines, and often much less than that.

Anyway, fixing this bug seems like the only purpose for Trump's 'wall' between the U.S. and Mexico.  I've said all along that the 'wall' is mostly a 'virtual' thing involving trade and political agreements.

When it comes to moving peeps back and forth I have no reason to believe other than that peep inflows will progress as (((certain people))) consider necessary for their goals.  Indigent low skilled people who will go on welfare are more than welcome.  Read Clowerd-Piven.

As for peep outflows, increased individual monitoring ('real-ID' to cross state lines and such) will stop-loss for the medical/industrial complex.  I predict that you will be welcome to go to Mexico for treatment as long as you reimburse the U.S. healthcare system for their losses through taxes and surcharges and the like, and as long as the Mexican treatment regimes are as disastrous for your health as the U.S. one is.  Probably it will have to be overseen by the same (((group of planners))) ultimately.

To paraphrase the Trix commercial from my generation:

  Silly pleb; labor spreads are for the wealthy globalists!

[BADecker]

As for peep outflows, increased individual monitoring ('real-ID' to cross state lines and such) will stop-loss for the medical/industrial complex.  I predict that you will be welcome to go to Mexico for treatment as long as you reimburse the U.S. healthcare system for their losses through taxes and surcharges and the like, and as long as the Mexican treatment regimes are as disastrous for your health as the U.S. one is.  Probably it will have to be overseen by the same (((group of planners))) ultimately.

Until a few hearty Americans take the Real-ID perpetrators to court, man-to-man, for right to travel infringement.

[nutildah]

sold a skittle

[moonhub]

I didn't quite get this part... How do you live in a place like that if it's so dangerous? The US passport can provide access almost to any country, why did you choose this? But I think that's a great experience anyway.

Well, parts of anywhere, especially the U.S., can be pretty dangerous. The same situation could have happened if I was living in a bad part of a hundred different cities in America.

I chose the Philippines for 2 reasons, mainly: cost of living was low and I like the women. After the first time I really experienced Angeles City, woow, I was hooked! There's absolutely nothing like that in America. Here's a video if you want to get an idea of what I'm talking about (I didn't really watch it but it will give you the basic idea of what's up):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXEn9fkA7gg

Then after I lived there for almost a year, I was just like, ehh... I'm over it. So I moved on. Basically, just don't be an ass and you'll be fine. You have to really be open to changing your attitude about things as well. Its good to be a "go with the flow" kind of person and not expect to have your way all the time, or you'll be extremely disappointed.

The discussion is getting funny at the same time serious in here.

It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.

The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.  

The wealth gap is unfathomable. People complain about it in America, but its like 5x wider here. The middle class are about 100x richer than the poor. I can't understand how some people can make 180 pesos a day (approx. $3.60) and some make 5,000 per day. That's the width of the middle class. Millions make even less than 180 per day. All I can do is be thankful that I was born where I was born - which allowed me to have the privileges that I do - and try to be humble about it. The last thing I would ever do is be a douche nozzle to the locals because of it.

Yes, the gap between the layers of society is a real scourge of people. But how to deal with it? Some countries seem to have dealt with this, but I do not understand enough how they dealt with it.

[tvbcof]

I chose the Philippines for 2 reasons, mainly: cost of living was low and I like the women.
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I chose The Philippines because I met a woman who I thought could help me with some things I wanted to do.  I didn't know initially that she was Filipino because she was working elsewhere.  Only when I found out did I start to study the place and decided that it had a lot of positives for me.

I'm not sure why I didn't consider The Philippines more strongly earlier.  I think that there is a dedicated effort world-wide to shit-talk The Philippines and I was partially a victim of it.  It is especially strong in the country itself.  I suspect that the reason for this is related to the 'demoralization' that Yuri Bezmenov talks about as one phase in destabilizing and overthrowing a country.  Unfortunately it has worked pretty well.  Lots of Filipinos consider their country hopeless.  I'm more and more convinced that it is not.  Obviously it's got some problems, but so does every country.

My hope is that Duterte and future presidents increase the concept of nationalism among the people and address some of the main problems that the nation has.  I'm quite convinced that many of the problems are artificially inserted, and the drug problems specifically.  Probably the communist problems and the radical Islamic issues as well.

The wealth gap is unfathomable. People complain about it in America, but its like 5x wider here. The middle class are about 100x richer than the poor. I can't understand how some people can make 180 pesos a day (approx. $3.60) and some make 5,000 per day. That's the width of the middle class. Millions make even less than 180 per day. All I can do is be thankful that I was born where I was born - which allowed me to have the privileges that I do - and try to be humble about it. The last thing I would ever do is be a douche nozzle to the locals because of it.

I left the U.S. in part because I wanted to try to make a positive contribution and wanted my money to NOT go toward causing worldwide misery and death.  These things and general depravity are, in my opinion, about the only exports that the U.S. does any more.  In a place like The Philippines where there is so much need one can make a tiny positive contribution in peoples lives about a dozen times per day just being alive.  I like the feeling of living this way.

Another reason I set up for a '2nd option' is that I do think there is a certain well-more-than-zero percent chance of some real problems in the U.S. of the type that few people can really imagine, and it could realistically happen within my lifetime.  I think that my country has sunk so low because our leadership has been captured by some real scumbags.  Worse, I don't think that these people have any more care for the U.S. than they have for any of the other nations which we are in the process of imploding.  We are just a useful tool for now.  When our usefulness is over it will be our turn in the barrel, and we may get it even worse than, say, Libya because that will be the most useful and 'safest' outcome for our tormentors.  'Controlled Demolition', bitches.

[af_newbie]

I chose the Philippines for 2 reasons, mainly: cost of living was low and I like the women.
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I chose The Philippines because I met a woman who I thought could help me with some things I wanted to do.  I didn't know initially that she was Filipino because she was working elsewhere.  Only when I found out did I start to study the place and decided that it had a lot of positives for me.

I'm not sure why I didn't consider The Philippines more strongly earlier.  I think that there is a dedicated effort world-wide to shit-talk The Philippines and I was partially a victim of it.  It is especially strong in the country itself.  I suspect that the reason for this is related to the 'demoralization' that Yuri Bezmenov talks about as one phase in destabilizing and overthrowing a country.  Unfortunately it has worked pretty well.  Lots of Filipinos consider their country hopeless.  I'm more and more convinced that it is not.  Obviously it's got some problems, but so does every country.

My hope is that Duterte and future presidents increase the concept of nationalism among the people and address some of the main problems that the nation has.  I'm quite convinced that many of the problems are artificially inserted, and the drug problems specifically.  Probably the communist problems and the radical Islamic issues as well.

The wealth gap is unfathomable. People complain about it in America, but its like 5x wider here. The middle class are about 100x richer than the poor. I can't understand how some people can make 180 pesos a day (approx. $3.60) and some make 5,000 per day. That's the width of the middle class. Millions make even less than 180 per day. All I can do is be thankful that I was born where I was born - which allowed me to have the privileges that I do - and try to be humble about it. The last thing I would ever do is be a douche nozzle to the locals because of it.

I left the U.S. in part because I wanted to try to make a positive contribution and wanted my money to NOT go toward causing worldwide misery and death.  These things and general depravity are, in my opinion, about the only exports that the U.S. does any more.  In a place like The Philippines where there is so much need one can make a tiny positive contribution in peoples lives about a dozen times per day just being alive.  I like the feeling of living this way.

Another reason I set up for a '2nd option' is that I do think there is a certain well-more-than-zero percent chance of some real problems in the U.S. of the type that few people can really imagine, and it could realistically happen within my lifetime.  I think that my country has sunk so low because our leadership has been captured by some real scumbags.  Worse, I don't think that these people have any more care for the U.S. than they have for any of the other nations which we are in the process of imploding.  We are just a useful tool for now.  When our usefulness is over it will be our turn in the barrel, and we may get it even worse than, say, Libya because that will be the most useful and 'safest' outcome for our tormentors.  'Controlled Demolition', bitches.

If the US will have problems, the rest of the world will have "problems squared".  North America will always be the mecca to go to, in good times and in bad times.

People who bitch about the US don't have any idea what they are bitching about.  The US has the best universities, the best hospitals, best high-tech companies, the best financial system, it is the place where the smartest people on the planet want to go to live and study.

[tvbcof]

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If the US will have problems, the rest of the world will have "problems squared".  North America will always be the mecca to go to, in good times and in bad times.

'Always' is a long time.  I'm sure that the people of Babel and the people of Sodom thought the same thing.  I myself drank the Koolaid for most of my life and believed about as you describe more-or-less.  I'm currently of the opinion that A) it's 'more fun' to live in a place with is improving than one which is disintegrating even if the curves have yet to meet, and B) a population which has grown up living closer to the edge will be much more capable of coping with hard times.  Some might not even notice!

People who bitch about the US don't have any idea what they are bitching about.  The US has the best universities, the best hospitals, best high-tech companies, the best financial system, it is the place where the smartest people on the planet want to go to live and study.

I think I have an idea of what I'm bitching about since I've lived in both and I currently live surprisingly happily in The Philippines.  My level of enjoyment and contentment have so far vastly exceeded my expectations.  Ceasing my participation in the decadence and debauchery of the United States is like having a great stone that I only vaguely realized was there lifted from my chest.

I would highly encourage anyone who can to go to the U.S. to milk it.  For instance, if one can get a medical degree, by all means go to the U.S..  Something (cough...vaccines...cough...) has made it so a vast majority of 'mericans are sick with chronic illnesses so as a doctor one doesn't even need to 'cure' them.  They've been conditioned to not even expect it!  Just hand out some meds and make millions.  Even if a particular peep doesn't have the money to pay you 50x what you could get in most countries, the health care system so socialized that someone else will pay the bill.

That's just one way of many to get rich.  I suggest that a person keeps their foot in the door and be ready to bail at a moments notice though.  When the U.S. falls it's going to be 'biblical' so to speak.

[BADecker]

I have talked about leaving here and there, as well. But I haven't done it, yet. Does this make me only a B-leaver?

 

[kspro]

I didn't quite get this part... How do you live in a place like that if it's so dangerous? The US passport can provide access almost to any country, why did you choose this? But I think that's a great experience anyway.

Well, parts of anywhere, especially the U.S., can be pretty dangerous. The same situation could have happened if I was living in a bad part of a hundred different cities in America.

I chose the Philippines for 2 reasons, mainly: cost of living was low and I like the women. After the first time I really experienced Angeles City, woow, I was hooked! There's absolutely nothing like that in America. Here's a video if you want to get an idea of what I'm talking about (I didn't really watch it but it will give you the basic idea of what's up):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXEn9fkA7gg

Then after I lived there for almost a year, I was just like, ehh... I'm over it. So I moved on. Basically, just don't be an ass and you'll be fine. You have to really be open to changing your attitude about things as well. Its good to be a "go with the flow" kind of person and not expect to have your way all the time, or you'll be extremely disappointed.

The discussion is getting funny at the same time serious in here.

It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.

The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.  

The wealth gap is unfathomable. People complain about it in America, but its like 5x wider here. The middle class are about 100x richer than the poor. I can't understand how some people can make 180 pesos a day (approx. $3.60) and some make 5,000 per day. That's the width of the middle class. Millions make even less than 180 per day. All I can do is be thankful that I was born where I was born - which allowed me to have the privileges that I do - and try to be humble about it. The last thing I would ever do is be a douche nozzle to the locals because of it.

This is very great. I also wanted to live in Philipines for some time and still do. I think it must be a great experience after all. But honestly, I didn't know that it was so dangerous there. I guess it's relatively safe anyway, compared to most of the part of South America or Africa. So yeah, you just need to be a bit cautious, and nothing bad will happen

[nutildah]

This is very great. I also wanted to live in Philipines for some time and still do. I think it must be a great experience after all. But honestly, I didn't know that it was so dangerous there. I guess it's relatively safe anyway, compared to most of the part of South America or Africa. So yeah, you just need to be a bit cautious, and nothing bad will happen

Yes, you pretty much summed it up. Just don't be an ass, which includes being a dick or getting too drunk in public, and also be mindful of your surroundings, and you'll be fine. I highly recommend trying it out.

I also recommend everybody get out of their comfort zone from time to time and travel somewhere completely foreign to them as its an eye opening experience and gives you a newfound perspective on things. People who sit around the house all day, all year, year after year, just telling themselves that they know things, don't actually know much of jack.

Or as Henry Rollins once said, "Knowledge without miles equals bullshit."

[BADecker]

This is very great. I also wanted to live in Philipines for some time and still do. I think it must be a great experience after all. But honestly, I didn't know that it was so dangerous there. I guess it's relatively safe anyway, compared to most of the part of South America or Africa. So yeah, you just need to be a bit cautious, and nothing bad will happen

Yes, you pretty much summed it up. Just don't be an ass, which includes being a dick or getting too drunk in public, and also be mindful of your surroundings, and you'll be fine. I highly recommend trying it out.

I also recommend everybody get out of their comfort zone from time to time and travel somewhere completely foreign to them as its an eye opening experience and gives you a newfound perspective on things. People who sit around the house all day, all year, year after year, just telling themselves that they know things, don't actually know much of jack.

Or as Henry Rollins once said, "Knowledge without miles equals bullshit."

Smiles without miles is only the "S" in bullshit.     

[nutildah]

sold silly string

[Gyfts]

In retrospect, my exit from the U.S. was a bit overly dramatic. I just had enough of a lot of b.s. plaguing my life at the time and am now free from all of it. What helps is not being at a soul-sucking desk job and being able to set my own hours. I enjoy significant freedoms here I could not afford in the U.S.; one of the most important of which is being able to wake up when I damn well please!

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I'm open to conducting an AMA session about being a westerner expat in the far east, so, feel free to ask me anything and I will respond as honestly as possible.

So do you feel, looking back on all of it, that the reason you moved to the Philippines was because Trump got elected or because things were not going well in your personal life to the point where you needed/wanted a fresh start? Nothing really wrong with that, everyone gets to that point of stagnation in their life where something needs to change. I could see Trump's election as being the final straw but it seems like many people that promised moving out of the country if Hillary Clinton lost never followed through and this post is one of the first accounts I've seen of a person actually following through. Elections come and go. Moving countries over the result of an election seems like a permanent solution to a temporary administration. Of course you could move back, but it isn't easy. This would lead me to believe that they're had to have been other significant factors in your decision that exceed politics.


I spent a prolong time in Indonesia for business and it was refreshing living in a new country. Not that I ever planned on moving permanently but I sure as hell have personally experienced the feeling of getting somewhat of a fresh start. It's thrilling when you think about it -- moving to a completely foreign place with boundless exploration capacity. I imagine you shared a similar experience with the Philippines.

[tvbcof]

Update from me also:  I've been in the Philippines for over half a year now solid.  I've put down roots and it looks like I'll be staying.  Now considering how to liquidate some of my substantial holdings in the U.S. just so they don't interfere with my 'new life.'

To re-cap, I decided to leave only after giving up on Trump who I never had a great deal of confidence in in the first place although I campaigned hard for him.  He's nearly 100% fraud and I see no hope for any workable outcome in the U.S..  Trump gave me a window to get the hell out of Dodge, but his actions are simply to set the stage for a deeper and more certain crater when they do give the 'pull it' command on the U.S..  In the mean time, being an active participant in the U.S. is giving my sanction to the activities of that country.  A huge weight was lifted when I realized that I was no longer a party to the depravity that the U.S. is engaged in all around the world.

I had a great life in the U.S. and I lament the loss, but it is what it is.  So yes, for me it was very nearly 100% about politics.  I shall not be returning in any likely scenario.  I have a great life abroad as well.  There is no reason that one cannot arrange for themselves a great life in any variety of scenarios.

Had I it to do over again I may not chose the Philippines.  Although it is a great place with many advantages, I think it is frail to the kinds of threats which will ultimately sink the U.S. (and arguably already have.)  The people have a lot of baggage left over from centuries of certain kinds of external influence and domination.  They simply don't have what it takes to avoid certain kinds of traps.  With what I know now I would look closely at Malaysia.  Probably still will; the Philippines was always a '2nd option' for me and I always planned to have a '3rd option' as well.

[Sadlife]

Im a Filipino and im just surprised that many foreigners choose Philippines despite that there are far more better countries out there. My suggestion if you want to find a cheap place, cebu would be the best bet and there are Crypto no mads there and it is mostly develop like modern cities, its more like the same as manila. Given the current circumstances in the US where debt has exceeded into staggering amount and banks inflating the paper money, killing generals from another country that could potentially spark a global war and even spying on their own people with the biggest surveillance system in the world, i guess it would be a matter of time until tons of US citizens move out the country.

[tvbcof]

Im a Filipino and im just surprised that many foreigners choose Philippines despite that there are far more better countries out there.

I would say that Filipinos are to some significant degree victims of 'demoralization' meaning that the place is not as bad as you've been conditioned to think, or put another way, other places have significant problems as well.

Secondly, 'English'.

Thirdly, there tends to be certain romantic involvement in a lot of these things.

Fourthly, one can get a lot done in this country.  It's more practical to arrange very high level protection, though it can also be a somewhat dangerous and expensive game to play.

I would say that the corruption is mostly just pushed down to a lower level and more visible in this country.  The same thing exists everywhere to a degree, but it tends to be contained in the upper spheres where there is less visibility (and higher profits) in the more 'developed' countries.  It's probably an economic advantage for the peeps in this country to have it be closer to the street level.  That is to say, it doesn't have as far to 'trickle down.'

My suggestion if you want to find a cheap place, cebu would be the best bet and there are Crypto no mads there and it is mostly develop like modern cities, its more like the same as manila. Given the current circumstances in the US where debt has exceeded into staggering amount and banks inflating the paper money, killing generals from another country that could potentially spark a global war and even spying on their own people with the biggest surveillance system in the world, i guess it would be a matter of time until tons of US citizens move out the country.

Hope so.  Just weed out the criminals please.  They are an embarrassment to me and others of my ilk.  I'm a guest in the country so I feel it a responsibility to be a good citizen.  America has a ton of good people who's company I do rather miss.  Hopefully some of them end up here, and if so are of net benefit to the nation.  It's also got a ton of creepers who might come here for bad reasons (though thankfully Patatya draws off many of this class.)

I would advise anyone who is thinking about expatriation to stockpile all the papers they may need just in case.  In particular, get a law enforcement clearance letter (and if you cannot, then this suggestion is not for you.)  Just have it ready in case it becomes harder to get one and harder to move around.  It looks to me as though the infrastructure is in place to track and restrict freedom of movement in the U.S..  If so, it's probably for a reason.  And that reason probably has to do with capital flight under certain economic events.

[nutildah]

sold a taco

[target]

English is almost the second language for all. The native visayan doesn't even learn Tagalog (which were assumed to be the national language) but can fluently speaks English. Philippines is almost perfect for a place to settle, cheap cost of living, warn weather and girls of course. The only you might not like is the city traffic. Its common since most of the cities are unplanned with streets close to impossible to widen.

Entertainment is the best of its kind in the Philippines even the politics will keep you entertain.