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April 14, 2013, 09:06:27 AM
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Just cross your fingers ,  maybe it will bring good luck.
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Every time a block is mined, a certain amount of BTC (called the subsidy) is created out of thin air and given to the miner. The subsidy halves every four years and will reach 0 in about 130 years.
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April 14, 2013, 10:47:53 AM
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I think everyone can safely assume that he had access to a larger multiprocessor machine. His rationale might have been that the first block should be a bit "harder" than the consecutive ones. That's all.
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August 28, 2013, 06:56:36 PM
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Sergio, if you are still around, have you investigated this anymore and if so what are your findings?
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September 01, 2013, 05:50:01 AM
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Code is not created all at once. He would have been determining the best rules to use by testing them. He likely had a computer crunching away for months to prove the difficulty that he later decided was best. His computer would have kept the lowest hash, and that was the best one to use for the genesis block.
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September 03, 2013, 04:37:42 AM
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Sergio, if you are still around, have you investigated this anymore and if so what are your findings?

Yes, and all the mystery regarding Satoshi computing power has been solved.

Satoshi did one more joke on us before fading away. Tomorrow, I will tell.
 
 
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September 03, 2013, 06:36:07 AM
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Code is not created all at once. He would have been determining the best rules to use by testing them. He likely had a computer crunching away for months to prove the difficulty that he later decided was best. His computer would have kept the lowest hash, and that was the best one to use for the genesis block.
I suppose he then planted the 1/3 article in The Times?

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September 03, 2013, 08:39:30 AM
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Hi,

do you guys have an explanation for these transactions?

That genesis block address has received 848 transactions!

Is this a deliberate "feature" in the standard bitcoin client which has the first used address as a default somewhere and therefore collecting loads of smallish payments?

All these 0.000055 BTC transactions are really strange. Satoshis pension payments, built into the protocol?  Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286847.msg3070309#msg3070309
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September 03, 2013, 01:52:00 PM
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Hi,

do you guys have an explanation for these transactions?

That genesis block address has received 848 transactions!

Is this a deliberate "feature" in the standard bitcoin client which has the first used address as a default somewhere and therefore collecting loads of smallish payments?

All these 0.000055 BTC transactions are really strange. Satoshis pension payments, built into the protocol?  Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286847.msg3070309#msg3070309

Maybe it's people sending 5500 satoshis to Satoshi?

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September 03, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
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you mean like a kind of sacrificial offering?  Cheesy
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September 03, 2013, 11:07:17 PM
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Satoshi did one more joke on us before fading away. Tomorrow, I will tell.

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January 31, 2022, 07:33:58 PM
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Genesis block header hash is this (hex):
 000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
 
Note that it starts with 43 zero bits. Why? The block target difficulty was much lower (around 32 bits), so we can assume Satoshi did this on purpose.
There is more: if you use a different extraNonce value of 1, 2, 3 and 4, you will notice that there are more headers starting with 40 zero bits or more:
Code:
extraNonce: 0x01, time: 0x495fab1d, offset: 0x0c, nonce: 0x3429da6f, hash: 00000000 00052ab4 78b6f8a2 dcaba26a 189361c9 030b5d56 c524cb7b ddf00d0c
extraNonce: 0x02, time: 0x495fab20, offset: 0x09, nonce: 0x6f42bb66, hash: 00000000 00381808 e3b876ad 01e1262e 3a4ca528 72b1cc25 ca072fbd bc29d41f
extraNonce: 0x03, time: 0x495fab1f, offset: 0x0a, nonce: 0xe3d4f1f1, hash: 00000000 00792af0 bf962bc1 d3622071 92709091 65ae7c7b f8589911 d8277fa5
extraNonce: 0x04, time: 0x495fab29, offset: 0x00, nonce: 0x7c2bac1d, hash: 00000000 0019d668 9c085ae1 65831e93 4ff763ae 46a2a6c1 72b3f1b6 0a8ce26f
If you try to find just another 40-bit block hash with the same extraNonce, it will be more than 300 seconds away. Here, the offset of time is so close that it seems to be done on purpose.

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January 31, 2022, 09:30:20 PM
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Genesis block header hash is this (hex):
 000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
 
Note that it starts with 43 zero bits. Why? The block target difficulty was much lower (around 32 bits), so we can assume Satoshi did this on purpose.
There is more: if you use a different extraNonce value of 1, 2, 3 and 4, you will notice that there are more headers starting with 40 zero bits or more:
Code:
extraNonce: 0x01, time: 0x495fab1d, offset: 0x0c, nonce: 0x3429da6f, hash: 00000000 00052ab4 78b6f8a2 dcaba26a 189361c9 030b5d56 c524cb7b ddf00d0c
extraNonce: 0x02, time: 0x495fab20, offset: 0x09, nonce: 0x6f42bb66, hash: 00000000 00381808 e3b876ad 01e1262e 3a4ca528 72b1cc25 ca072fbd bc29d41f
extraNonce: 0x03, time: 0x495fab1f, offset: 0x0a, nonce: 0xe3d4f1f1, hash: 00000000 00792af0 bf962bc1 d3622071 92709091 65ae7c7b f8589911 d8277fa5
extraNonce: 0x04, time: 0x495fab29, offset: 0x00, nonce: 0x7c2bac1d, hash: 00000000 0019d668 9c085ae1 65831e93 4ff763ae 46a2a6c1 72b3f1b6 0a8ce26f
If you try to find just another 40-bit block hash with the same extraNonce, it will be more than 300 seconds away. Here, the offset of time is so close that it seems to be done on purpose.

Can you explain the purpose?

Satoshi wanted exactly this ExtraNonce?
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January 31, 2022, 10:14:36 PM
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Can you explain the purpose?

Satoshi wanted exactly this ExtraNonce?
I don't know. I just noticed it is quite unlikely to get something like this randomly. You can try producing some 40-bit block hashes and then check how far from that you will get blocks with other extraNonces. Some people thought Satoshi was just very lucky. But why he used a block with more than 40 leading zero bits, where there were a lot of blocks with 32 leading zero bits? And why there are other hashes with more than 40 leading zero bits, that are so close to the block he included in the current chain? You can try for example using extraNonce equal to four and find another 40-bit block with some earlier timestamp: you will find the nearest block 537 seconds before. And here you have four nonces, where each timestamp exist just a few seconds before!

TLDR: I just found a pattern. I don't know yet, what is the meaning of this, we can only write some code and guess what happened, how the Genesis Block was mined and why it was mined in that way.

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...

That could be interesting ...

... but on the other hand, they just need to move on and forget about it cause it's part of the game where some will win and some will lose.

We don't know Satoshi's game and the plan for the lost coins, but this is also possible:

https://news.bitcoin.com/online-sleuths-believe-satoshi-nakamotos-bitcoin-stash-is-a-blockchain-treasure-hunt-meant-to-be-found/

'Lastly, the online detectives also discussed Satoshi’s famous lost coins quote: “Lost coins only make everyone else’s coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone.” Maybe, Satoshi wasn’t talking about coins lost over time, but the creator’s stash hidden inside the blockchain via text or a myriad of messages.

“Whoever is able to solve it, is the chosen person that Satoshi expects to succeed,” an individual wrote in the bitcointalk.org conversation. “It’s like a place to determine Satoshi’s legacy for us in the future. Is this a contest? A pirate treasure?” he asked.'

Maybe you discovered something ... (read the link)
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February 01, 2022, 04:15:02 PM
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And here you have four nonces, where each timestamp exist just a few seconds before!
Which means... what? The only thing I can conclude is that Satoshi had a lot more computational power than imagined, and was searching for a block with these specific details you've covered for a reason.

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February 02, 2022, 04:42:37 AM
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There is more: if you use a different extraNonce value of 1, 2, 3 and 4, you will notice that there are more headers starting with 40 zero bits or more:
Code:
extraNonce: 0x01, time: 0x495fab1d, offset: 0x0c, nonce: 0x3429da6f, hash: 00000000 00052ab4 78b6f8a2 dcaba26a 189361c9 030b5d56 c524cb7b ddf00d0c
extraNonce: 0x02, time: 0x495fab20, offset: 0x09, nonce: 0x6f42bb66, hash: 00000000 00381808 e3b876ad 01e1262e 3a4ca528 72b1cc25 ca072fbd bc29d41f
extraNonce: 0x03, time: 0x495fab1f, offset: 0x0a, nonce: 0xe3d4f1f1, hash: 00000000 00792af0 bf962bc1 d3622071 92709091 65ae7c7b f8589911 d8277fa5
extraNonce: 0x04, time: 0x495fab29, offset: 0x00, nonce: 0x7c2bac1d, hash: 00000000 0019d668 9c085ae1 65831e93 4ff763ae 46a2a6c1 72b3f1b6 0a8ce26f
Isn't what you did here true about any other block with difficulty = 1?
You are computing the hash 4 billion times then increment the time then compute it another 4 billion times, and repeat this multiple times. That is more than enough to find a hash for block with difficulty = 1 almost all the time.
In other words you can do what you did to any of the subsequent early blocks.

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Isn't what you did here true about any other block with difficulty = 1?
I am not looking for difficulty=1. That would be 32 leading zero bits (to be precise, lower than 00000000ffff0000...00). Here you have 40 leading zero bits, so something like difficulty=256 (or even higher difficulty). Of course it also meets difficulty=1, but it is always true that if a block meets some difficulty, then that block also meets all lower difficulties.

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You are computing the hash 4 billion times then increment the time then compute it another 4 billion times, and repeat this multiple times. That is more than enough to find a hash for block with difficulty = 1 almost all the time.
There are a lot of blocks with difficulty=1 (leading 32 zero bits). But if you want to get any block with difficulty>=256 (leading 40 zero bits), then you can for example use extraNonce=4 and you will find it with 537 seconds earlier timestamp. For extraNonce=3 it will be 696 seconds earlier. On average, you have to check 256 seconds to reach 40-bit blocks. Here you have four such blocks, where each has a difference of a few seconds, when compared to the block in the chain.

Hold your horses before deploying blockchain-related things. You don't want to deploy SHA-1 collision without deploying hardened SHA-1. Once you reveal some code, and make it Open Source, there is no "undo" button. Once you share some idea, there is no way to erase it from reader's memory.
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Isn't what you did here true about any other block with difficulty = 1?
I am not looking for difficulty=1. That would be 32 leading zero bits (to be precise, lower than 00000000ffff0000...00). Here you have 40 leading zero bits, so something like difficulty=256 (or even higher difficulty). Of course it also meets difficulty=1, but it is always true that if a block meets some difficulty, then that block also meets all lower difficulties.

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You are computing the hash 4 billion times then increment the time then compute it another 4 billion times, and repeat this multiple times. That is more than enough to find a hash for block with difficulty = 1 almost all the time.
There are a lot of blocks with difficulty=1 (leading 32 zero bits). But if you want to get any block with difficulty>=256 (leading 40 zero bits), then you can for example use extraNonce=4 and you will find it with 537 seconds earlier timestamp. For extraNonce=3 it will be 696 seconds earlier. On average, you have to check 256 seconds to reach 40-bit blocks. Here you have four such blocks, where each has a difference of a few seconds, when compared to the block in the chain.
There is nothing special about having more leading zeros than needed (or being more smaller than the target than needed). So lets take a look at some blocks and see how common it is.
I checked the first 32256 block headers meaning from block 0 until first time difficulty changes and here are some blocks that had more than 40 zero bits. 40 was chosen since that is the number of zero bits in genesis block otherwise block #22 has 36 leading zero bits.
The following are the list of block hashes and their respective heights on mainnet, the first 6 have "smaller difficulty" that Genesis block:
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000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f  block#0

000000000009606d829b157912edb060c406b519fb2bfcc1078c196b69c67e49  1430
00000000000243ab3dd422f82638c9651cfc401ac763b2228f00f6abae334f48  11686
00000000000816633b61ddf4d411169935a03ffc02495a6448d2d029590c3df2  18703
00000000000bcae6934ca8f914b1724141ba708c6882657f6cba330965681e38  19834
000000000003ce28ff7f9998c2f2a1fbd03fffcb4c13f65b6b82b40d4a272292  23411
000000000006f331e9d9d8736bb012fee2193cb978f621fe9bd7e181a1a5df95  26561
0000000000d16752cf56ebae77a37a8fa1ac8e234336a41622c3b7924a07a644  598
000000000033b4ee1cc40f05145b1a3987cca2473589e7e23082996e2fe7c899  722
000000000057d77971fb0bf24812e155f9eb7c4eea682b62defd627b7d42c2eb  801
000000000037504b6bdd57439970d748eac0f091945f8b12373e83c1bbc46c79  1067
0000000000a4d1bff90f29495e4c45d96609dcdc278264511d90e5f1602034d5  1481
0000000000d4325fa7c9e97ac69cdf22a6803e925c5297d925fab14fd53e86a6  1910
0000000000243dfaef0a3b85c3b9c13c958ce6bed9fd4cb154c1df109c1ef884  1986
00000000005c71ed36bf631dd20841b2745cccb29d620b75f929738dba5d3e96  2334
0000000000d3f53438446e9b4d4d1856f563667fb1e17730b7c1e4b9dcc00b30  2790
0000000000f2a226a43a012b50da8cad09c1cec43834d14681efa9974e623b85  3087
000000000035f4cce8ac52847b6618f8bd3f53d501dc6a006839a0963a8f6f6e  3330
00000000005ae5d168d58fb301e897215230ee22b8a5ea522a1cd5cd3fb655e8  3920
0000000000586980359c4c669ce5247c4d084a03923f48f7f964857d4aba21b7  4132
0000000000a9b124abca780e299cbc6be88596ac86458f22ccb0bc2d5257b6f6  4291
0000000000b54b5510fbf287ad4c31ced608521b2ccef6c7ed8ef033060e3eb4  4300
0000000000e01d798e318d3677cbb4d6f642833da65162472a6513c5a9cae5b2  4436
000000000099fc7a4e340d4203deb248ea83f7e0a1864b8a907d6af8a2ddb04f  5038
00000000005cdd0f359287d4c5c9e3611c2cc53bc45010c1139bfc1660794ef3  5719
00000000009b4b024ee5b5a011fa3a8c1d6d2155eb1822d2d3673f28160c943d  5985
00000000008cd551822768cf78bfd9ffdc68471338636ce7cfb5b22822f0aa74  5993
000000000073c2eb2cb4bc5d9d66bbd99353ed34f10576c7b5afc507c91064ef  6148
00000000004eda0d6c9fd39ad61fa535efb4bb1a33f656185536c256c31a3d8d  6176
000000000049d528e1ff957e93e089491752d69a924e4de2b5a6ad2f2c05f446  6238
00000000004b166c36d656f176b051ebe712ae69cfa624c5ab74719fbc6c7a56  6301
00000000006c56e2d190e509e63bd9fe6e8789d9ad33727d31754aa76f1f97f7  6328
000000000010b24a122163f2037132d767e6c5bd4c0642d9669fd94845e93289  6476
00000000004da06c86b8417e8ab7d29ca55ffb85cfe399e41dc0adfcf5f3d330  6572
00000000004b536fdc5171605e51357a91b53f1cbdffa59448fa07c5ef07be47  6588
0000000000f4560350f9ca6adfe15b05fd4d06389f32b7a3b7ec2fcc85fae341  7651
000000000031e03f8f396ba4d1ae91489983fc878e3f4295e15052edf33858a5  8454
00000000005ba4f850d0c3bc74a4bcdfa33f72f6becf62276b3a61f1e7ae9207  8864
00000000007adb697bf21410b4353bcaea2d15fe61b15ab47bd521b70825cb1d  9367
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February 02, 2022, 06:34:19 PM
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There is nothing special about having more leading zeros than needed (or being more smaller than the target than needed).
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I checked the first 32256 block headers
So on average you could expect something like 32256/256=126 block headers with leading 40 bits. And you have 124 blocks (except the Genesis Block), so nothing special here. But if you try to re-mine those blocks with similar extraNonce values and with similar time, usually you won't get four 40-bit headers around those blocks. For example you can take block 1430, it has 0x70 extraNonce, you can take 0x6f, 0x6e and 0x6d, then try to find another 40-bit block with such nonce and an earlier timestamp. I guess for a typical block you will get them 200, 300 or maybe 400 seconds before (or even more, but on average it will be something around 256 seconds before).

Hold your horses before deploying blockchain-related things. You don't want to deploy SHA-1 collision without deploying hardened SHA-1. Once you reveal some code, and make it Open Source, there is no "undo" button. Once you share some idea, there is no way to erase it from reader's memory.
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February 02, 2022, 07:21:49 PM
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... it seems to be done on purpose.

@garlonicon, maybe you have an answer for this:

Satoshi did one more joke on us before fading away. Tomorrow, I will tell.

A new mystery about Satoshi hidden in the Bitcoin block-chain
 - http://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/

by Sergio Demian Lerner,  ‏@SDLerner on Twitter.

They couldn't solve that. It's about the nonce values (not extraNonce). The largest miner back in 2009 (my opinion: it is Satoshi) has certain values [0 - 9] and [19 - 58] as nonces in the mined blocks what is unusual. Maybe it has something to do with your findings in block 0?
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