Is taxation theft?

[BADecker]

The major thing about taxes is, they give us the best government that money can buy. It's kinda like that old TV series, "Elliot Ness and the Untouchables," where corruption was being cleaned up because some government guys wouldn't take the money. Too bad they didn't know that taxation causes and often is, corruption.

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[Hans17]

Well there are tons of news that taxation is theft , but take a look for a second thought though because without taxation, the country itself the economic rate and the all aspects of social service like hospital well not get enough money because tax is the one who pays all of it even government.

And also there this concept and an image we never erased, the corrupting government that is or that we can say that taxation is theft. But i will drop a link below so you can probably , you know expand your knowledge about taxation.

link: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxation.asp

[BADecker]

All hospitals and every good thing in the country can be built better and more cheaply without government, just the way you hire a contractor to build your new house. How do we know? Because government doesn't have any competition. But competition is what drives the price down and the quality up.

Even the military would be a better military if the people purchased it from a choice of several military companies.

[Elwar]

Well there are tons of news that taxation is theft , but take a look for a second thought though because without taxation, the country itself the economic rate and the all aspects of social service like hospital well not get enough money because tax is the one who pays all of it even government.

And also there this concept and an image we never erased, the corrupting government that is or that we can say that taxation is theft. But i will drop a link below so you can probably , you know expand your knowledge about taxation.

link: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxation.asp

This is the second time I've seen this this week.

Where are these horrible places where hospitals are built by governments?

[logitechwow]

Taxes are theft, but not always.
Sometimes we just have to pay the state for protection, medicine, education

[BADecker]

Where does the State get the protection, medicine, and education they give us when we give them money for it? They go out and hire people they call professionals. But we are finding out in health care that the State hired people and the State agencies are lying to us. Besides, when we pay taxes, we almost never get what we want, and we almost always support some things that we don't want.

Forget the taxes. Let us buy what we need directly. At best the State should criminalize ripoff artists. But no. The State is the ripoff artist.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/11/05/who-telling-truth-about-prescription-opioid-deaths-dea-cdc-neither-13569

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/250575-2018-11-04-warning-your-kids-vaccines-may-actually-be-making-them-sick.htm

But especially https://phibetaiota.net/2018/09/rebecca-campbell-us-government-loses-vaccine-lawsuit-has-lied-to-the-public-for-decades-vaccines-not-tested-autism-will-drop-if-parents-use-this-case-to-legally-challenge-mandated-vaccinatio/.

[coins4commies]

This graphic says it all but the logic mostly generated by the capitalists class who are the ones "stealing" the surplus value in the first place.

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[Elwar]

This graphic says it all but the logic mostly generated by the capitalists class who are the ones "stealing" the surplus value in the first place.

Labor is voluntary.

Taxes are not voluntary.


Instead of capital...what other means of exchange would you rather be used for trade? If you trade capital...then you too are a capitalist.

So tired of these communist (sorry, I mean socialist...sorry, I mean democratic fascists...err socialists)/progressives hypocritically using capital as a means of trade while bashing capitalism.

*hint: that last part is sarcasm for all the people that complain about libertarians using government services (even though we have no alternative...by force) while complaining about taxes

[Elwar]

Taxes are theft, but not always.
Sometimes we just have to pay the state for protection, medicine, education

Why is the state required for medicine?

Have these not been private enterprises for centuries?

[Brandonkimm]

Taxation is theft depending on how your government is going to make use of the funds!

[White Christmas]

The major thing about taxes is, they give us the best government that money can buy. It's kinda like that old TV series, "Elliot Ness and the Untouchables," where corruption was being cleaned up because some government guys wouldn't take the money. Too bad they didn't know that taxation causes and often is, corruption.

I think its not especially when we see that there are progress in our country. Like building different new roads, reconstructung it amd giving help. For those people who are in need. But if we see that we continue paying tax and we cannot see any action by the government then I can say it is being theft because there no development that was happening in one country.

[yogg]

This graphic says it all but the logic mostly generated by the capitalists class who are the ones "stealing" the surplus value in the first place.
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Nice try. This one seems more accurate to me in that way :



Where does the money go ? To repay an out of control debt, never ending, always growing, debt.
Taxation is a necessary thing, but in it's current form it's a sentence against the global population.

[UconBit]

Taxation is theft if your government officials are corrupt and are using it for themselves.

[mongkie]

if properly handled by the government,there is no problem with me helping the society because i will also bennifited by it. using public structures like bridges and roads. but if it is corrupted we have a different story.

[Elwar]

Where does the money go ? To repay an out of control debt, never ending, always growing, debt.
Taxation is a necessary thing, but in it's current form it's a sentence against the global population.

Interest on the debt is now the #4 spending item (behind Elderly Welfare, Poor Healthcare and National Offense).

So ya...they steal your money to pay interest on the ever growing debt. Eventually all of your taxes will be going toward just paying interest.

But that has nothing to do with the question of the actual act of taxation being theft or not.

[Elwar]

[yogg]

But that has nothing to do with the question of the actual act of taxation being theft or not.

Yes, it has a lot to do.
Well, legally taxation is not classified as theft, obviously.

However, the need to always repay more to serve the debt is a reason for the government to rack even more taxes in, etc.
And they have to make it, otherwise it's "default" and game over. Really ?
Maybe this is not the case in the USA, but in France, debt interest repayments match ~100% of the income tax income for the govt.

And we fire nurses and close down hospitals ? There is a protest soon against the recent tax surges on gas and fuel.
More and more people are on brink of bankruptcy, cannot make ends meet, but we pay more and more just as an interest.
That's insane.

Cut the leeches, pay taxes to fund the national services etc, but please do not use our democracies to transfer wealth massively from population to a few pockets.

[Elwar]

But that has nothing to do with the question of the actual act of taxation being theft or not.

Yes, it has a lot to do.
Well, legally taxation is not classified as theft, obviously.

However, the need to always repay more to serve the debt is a reason for the government to rack even more taxes in, etc.
And they have to make it, otherwise it's "default" and game over. Really ?
Maybe this is not the case in the USA, but in France, debt interest repayments match ~100% of the income tax income for the govt.

And we fire nurses and close down hospitals ? There is a protest soon against the recent tax surges on gas and fuel.
More and more people are on brink of bankruptcy, cannot make ends meet, but we pay more and more just as an interest.
That's insane.

Cut the leeches, pay taxes to fund the national services etc, but please do not use our democracies to transfer wealth massively from population to a few pockets.

Legally not considered theft...but if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck...it's likely a duck. If someone takes money by force...that would be theft.


Image if George and Jim both independently take money from someone at gunpoint in the street. George then takes the money and goes buys some cigarettes and booze. Jim takes the money and puts it toward setting up an educational foundation supporting underprivileged children.

Which one stole the money?

[Elwar]

[Coinifyx]

This graphic says it all but the logic mostly generated by the capitalists class who are the ones "stealing" the surplus value in the first place.

Labor is voluntary.

This is where you are wrong 

It's not like people desire to eat, they must eat or they die, thus biological slavery brings people to forced labor