Is taxation theft?

[Elwar]

Many here would likely justify murder if it was spun as good for the community (oh wait, they already do that...war, death penalty, etc).

Can we all agree that the initiation of force or fraud is bad? No matter how many rainbows it results in.

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[PeterTheGrape]

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Don't blame theft. Theft was started for a good purpose. It is just being abused.

That's a good point.

The original motive of "theft" is getting food, and that motive is more basic than the convoluted motives of acquiring excess consumer goods.

When you see a dog steal it is usually for food, or to harmlessly play.

No. Dogs do not steal, because dogs do not have concept of either morality or private property. Human beings are not dogs. And neither is state.

Elwar, gave you this example precisely because he thought, that you will be capable of understanding, that you cannot justify bad acts by noble means.

Moral relativism is road back to cave where we came from.

Dogs certainly do steal, same as people. You may never have seen hungry dogs in an urban area. They are clever and will arrange complicated schemes involving multiple dogs to take food that they know is forbidden them. Bears do the same.

There is a difference between moral relativism and shallow morality. Hunger trumps wealth. You can philosophize as much as you want but at the end of the day a hungry person has a stronger moral foundation than a student of philosophy.

[PeterTheGrape]

Many here would likely justify murder if it was spun as good for the community (oh wait, they already do that...war, death penalty, etc).

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Another good point. Now wait for Osama to disagree.

[LevshaK1]

Yes, in many countries taxes are used by rulers only in their own interests. Until people can defeat their greed they will not be able to see a prosperous country with honest rulers.

[Elwar]

Yes, in many countries taxes are used by rulers only in their own interests. Until people can defeat their greed they will not be able to see a prosperous country with honest rulers.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. There will never be honest rulers.

[PeterTheGrape]

Yes, in many countries taxes are used by rulers only in their own interests. Until people can defeat their greed they will not be able to see a prosperous country with honest rulers.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. There will never be honest rulers.

People who need rulers need dishonest ones.

[burner2014]

Yes, in many countries taxes are used by rulers only in their own interests. Until people can defeat their greed they will not be able to see a prosperous country with honest rulers.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. There will never be honest rulers.

People who need rulers need dishonest ones.

Tax is really a big help for all of us, especially the standing of our country, but because of corrupt officials tax turns to negative as people would think that they are just wasting their money in paying taxes and they don't feel the benefit of it and other people use it for their own self, but for me I'll still pay taxes since it is somewhat the basic needs of a country for it to grow and to be sustainable.

[livingfree]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is not a theft. We are living in our country and we need to help build and improve our country. This is just a give and take relationship. It is also a matter of nationalism as a citizen of our country. The problem are just the rulers in each country that are abusive when it comes to taxes, also the proper usage of the taxes to avoid mishandling.

[Furwin]

yes it is. when u take some money from some one without their will it is called theft.

i live in singapore and we really have one of the biggest taxes in the world

[Lieldoryn]

yes it is. when u take some money from some one without their will it is called theft.

i live in singapore and we really have one of the biggest taxes in the world

Stealing is when you take the money quietly. When you take money openly and intimidate it's called robbery. For you the difference is not very big, you still remain without money, and from the point of view of the law robbery a more serious crime.

[Elwar]

Yes, in many countries taxes are used by rulers only in their own interests. Until people can defeat their greed they will not be able to see a prosperous country with honest rulers.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. There will never be honest rulers.

People who need rulers need dishonest ones.

Tax is really a big help for all of us, especially the standing of our country, but because of corrupt officials tax turns to negative as people would think that they are just wasting their money in paying taxes and they don't feel the benefit of it and other people use it for their own self, but for me I'll still pay taxes since it is somewhat the basic needs of a country for it to grow and to be sustainable.

You will pay your taxes either way. Otherwise men with guns will come and kidnap you.

[ecnalubma]

There's nothing wrong with taxation system, the only problem are those corrupt politicians that abuses the tax spending for there personal interest. That's why we must put right persons over the government to avoid misuse of such government funds.

[Elwar]

There's nothing wrong with taxation system, the only problem are those corrupt politicians that abuses the tax spending for there personal interest. That's why we must put right persons over the government to avoid misuse of such government funds.

Getting your money through theft is done by corrupt people.

[thymeow]

it depends on how your government uses the taxes collected. Taxes are supposed to fund the development of a country, but it seems that most of the politicians are just stealing all the taxes the collect. That is why i never trust a politician. I think most of them are thieves - high class thieves. Sucks their banks are the ones who are getting develop and not our country,

[crwth]

it depends on how your government uses the taxes collected. Taxes are supposed to fund the development of a country, but it seems that most of the politicians are just stealing all the taxes the collect. That is why i never trust a politician. I think most of them are thieves - high class thieves. Sucks their banks are the ones who are getting develop and not our country,

That's true, they are supposed to use it for the advancement for the country, whether it's for the technological development, agricultural development, or in other parts that can be helped, that will depend on how they will use the money. It's the people in the government, just like you said, they are oligarchs who just feed themselves. It's time to stand up.

[DOGE12321]

Of course, everyone wants to keep their money to themselves. I couldn't hope to produce everything by myself so I buy them instead and for that, there must be quality control and regulation has expenses.

[Bitcoinmeetups.org]

it depends on how your government uses the taxes collected. Taxes are supposed to fund the development of a country, but it seems that most of the politicians are just stealing all the taxes the collect. That is why i never trust a politician. I think most of them are thieves - high class thieves. Sucks their banks are the ones who are getting develop and not our country,

Incorrect. If someone robs you and then gives half of your money to charity, he is still a thief and a robber. It absolutely does not matter where the money goes, taxation is and has always been theft. Send the thieves to the gallows pole where they belong. That goes for the whole political and banking class.

[Elwar]

[ScriptYoYo]

it depends on how your government uses the taxes collected. Taxes are supposed to fund the development of a country, but it seems that most of the politicians are just stealing all the taxes the collect. That is why i never trust a politician. I think most of them are thieves - high class thieves. Sucks their banks are the ones who are getting develop and not our country,

That's true, they are supposed to use it for the advancement for the country, whether it's for the technological development, agricultural development, or in other parts that can be helped, that will depend on how they will use the money. It's the people in the government, just like you said, they are oligarchs who just feed themselves. It's time to stand up.

There are too many of them and they are rich, it is not so easy for them to stand up to several people. They are accustomed to have power over the whole country and dispose of all finances for their own pleasure.

[Bitcoinmeetups.org]

Exactly Elwar. You got it right. It so annoys me when people think if they bend over backwards they are not being robbed. It's doublethink. But you seem to be able to handle the truth.