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March 11, 2018, 09:42:44 PM
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The only way I would even trust mooncoin again is if this dev with the 60 billion mooncoins actually posted his real information and Undeniable Proof of who he is, his full name, address, etc.

tbh, if it was me:  i wouldnt disclose anything.  too many wacko's jumping at me before hand... and now you want me to tell you where to find me...screw that!

     i'd wait til the dust settles, and see then how it should be done.   anything done in haste, would be wrong.
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i've been waiting this long, whats another year or so.  id rahter have a strong foundation (no pun!)

than build upon the unknown.



the other big cryptos that came after bitcoin we know the names of the devs, Like Vitalik Buterin, he has nothing to hide.  If dev is not a scammer he should expose himself and make himself known.
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March 11, 2018, 10:34:35 PM
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The only way I would even trust mooncoin again is if this dev with the 60 billion mooncoins actually posted his real information and Undeniable Proof of who he is, his full name, address, etc.

tbh, if it was me:  i wouldnt disclose anything.  too many wacko's jumping at me before hand... and now you want me to tell you where to find me...screw that!

     i'd wait til the dust settles, and see then how it should be done.   anything done in haste, would be wrong.
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i've been waiting this long, whats another year or so.  id rahter have a strong foundation (no pun!)

than build upon the unknown.



the other big cryptos that came after bitcoin we know the names of the devs, Like Vitalik Buterin, he has nothing to hide.  If dev is not a scammer he should expose himself and make himself known.

Do you know the address of V.Buterin?

Usually you know devs who make big money on crowdsales.
Because crowds never buy without knowing devs, so if someone wants to sell tokens, first what they do: make photos and post names.
After that sell tokens (made out of thin air on top of Ethereum blockchain) and spend money. And usually after that there is no any progress, that's why all these regulations about ICOs finally came.

Vassilis Kritharakis provided his name, surname, e-mail, phone number, town, people phoned him, polemarhos888 visited him,
anyway you think it's not enough. What else? A copy of ID document? They could say he took that from another person.
Maybe a selfie with an ID document? But will devs agree to develop Mooncoin, if you ask them all that?
The community has to decide requirements. Then people who don't want to match them, obviously will leave, but you will be able to provide your own identity and become a dev, if you agree.

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March 11, 2018, 11:17:57 PM
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Hello please forgive me for my ignorance but i do not understand why Vassillis is consulting a lawyer is he trying to make a claim for the coins  who is paying for the lawyer i presume he is so if he is not making a claim what is the lawyer for ? why would he spend money out of his pocket for no finacial gain    i am only trying to understand the situation
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Hello please forgive me for my ignorance but i do not understand why Vassillis is consulting a lawyer is he trying to make a claim for the coins  who is paying for the lawyer i presume he is so if he is not making a claim what is the lawyer for ? why would he spend money out of his pocket for no finacial gain    i am only trying to understand the situation

No.   You should go back and read it for yourself.  Its already a mess.  dont put another spin on it.
 (anyone that answers, will put their own spin on it, even me...not intentionally, but thats how it goes)


my spin:

based on what was mentioned in this thread:

   Its about what he should do with the coins.   Whats the legal obligation etc.
thats it. nothing more.

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March 12, 2018, 01:01:57 AM
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MOONCOIN has been around a long time.
Whenever the market has been down.
MOONCOIN WAS UP.
THIS IS A PROVEN FACT.

As a community instead of negativity,concentration on future.
Productive positive community oriented projects that have real world applications to push this project to the top.

MOONCOIN HAS CORE SUPPORT WITH ONE OF THE LARGEST COMMUNITIES AS BIG AS DOGE.
As a community for mutual symbiosis for success.
Lets push this to the top.
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March 12, 2018, 02:16:53 AM
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The only way I would even trust mooncoin again is if this dev with the 60 billion mooncoins actually posted his real information and Undeniable Proof of who he is, his full name, address, etc.

tbh, if it was me:  i wouldnt disclose anything.  too many wacko's jumping at me before hand... and now you want me to tell you where to find me...screw that!

     i'd wait til the dust settles, and see then how it should be done.   anything done in haste, would be wrong.
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/end of example

i've been waiting this long, whats another year or so.  id rahter have a strong foundation (no pun!)

than build upon the unknown.





the other big cryptos that came after bitcoin we know the names of the devs, Like Vitalik Buterin, he has nothing to hide.  If dev is not a scammer he should expose himself and make himself known.

Do you know the address of V.Buterin?

Usually you know devs who make big money on crowdsales.
Because crowds never buy without knowing devs, so if someone wants to sell tokens, first what they do: make photos and post names.
After that sell tokens (made out of thin air on top of Ethereum blockchain) and spend money. And usually after that there is no any progress, that's why all these regulations about ICOs finally came.

Vassilis Kritharakis provided his name, surname, e-mail, phone number, town, people phoned him, polemarhos888 visited him,
anyway you think it's not enough. What else? A copy of ID document? They could say he took that from another person.
Maybe a selfie with an ID document? But will devs agree to develop Mooncoin, if you ask them all that?
The community has to decide requirements. Then people who don't want to match them, obviously will leave, but you will be able to provide your own identity and become a dev, if you agree.


Ok sorry, I didn't know all that information.  I thought that was a fake name, That gives me some assurance that he is legit if polemarhos visited him ..  I fell for the fud I guess. Sorry
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March 12, 2018, 03:35:44 AM
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Some FACTS:

- When 'Vassilis' was first brought on, I made him aware, in several instances, that there was a pre-existing donation fund for MOON developers (DAF) that has been fully functioning (still is!) since last June and had paid out to barrysty1e several times in the past. He made it clear he wasn't interested in receiving donations and stated several times that he'd prefer if donations go to other MOON related projects or initiatives. WHY WOULD HE THEN CREATE A NEW PERSONAL DONATION ADDRESS FOR HIMSELF A FEW WEEKS AFTER THESE CONVERSATIONS? And then 3 days after creating that donation address, the supposedly 'frozen' 62B moves directly into it? This is *factual and provable* that these things happened, the chat logs exist and the dates coincide.

He could be not interested in Discord donations, but to be interested in Bitcointalk donations from old investors, or for whatever reason he didn't want to depend on your donations, that's why he could post his Mooncoin address at Bitcointalk only, many people read the forum. Anyway let's think: if we believe that he deliberately posted an address at his Bitcointalk signature to get somehow (in an unknown way) 62B coins, why did he need posting an address at all? Obviously, he could just send coins to any other his address (without making it known in public), then he would have no problems, because no one could prove or even know that it's his address. Then he could send these coins to thousand small addresses or dump them instantly.

- Mooncoin_Foundation spoke to me via PM here regarding bringing 'Vassilis' on and various other MOON related things back in December. He stated that 'Smart Likes is almost ready'. I have the PM showing this. Some questions: Who is/are developing it? What is your support structure? When do you expect to have a test alpha up and running and who will be testing it? GitHub link? Why has *nobody* heard of this project being worked on in earnest? In other words, why would you provide false information to me about Smart Likes being worked on at all? I'm guessing because you wanted my support to convince the Community to switch over to the new wallet with as few issues as possible. And like the trusting idiot I apparently am, I bought into it.

The info was correct. I sent a PM to you, because I don't read Discord, and I knew that you were almost the only Discord member, who also was active at Bitcointalk.
Evangelo, Zareeth, BigMoon... they were not active any longer. So I just shared the important info about a new dev with you, to be sure that a Discord community knows and discusses it.
I hope that Mooncoin community will be testing SmartLikes soon, in this March or April. In next days I will explain everything in detail.
In short: SmartLikes is a mindblowing idea, which can be implemented in several ways. There were some attempts (test mode) since 2016. The community was involved with discussing and testing. The most difficult thing is to choose how to implement it, in which way, it must be EXTREMELY SIMPLE or people will not understand and will not use it.
If not this situation with 62B, Vassilis could implement it already in January-February.  SmartLikes will not need a separate Github. More details soon.
Also you told that you 'bought into it'. As far as I remember, the MOON price was 0.3-0.5 Satoshi when Vassilis came. Now it's 1-2 Satoshi.



- The 'Foundation' group wasn't even made known to anyone outside of it until the 62B disappeared. Suddenly, 6+ months after the creation of the Discord, Telegram and other social media outlets, they appear! Not to help anyone in the Community directly, but to attempt rebutting the oddities and logical fallacies I keep bringing up out in the open as all these events have unfolded. Well, now I'm here in the ANN and you can address them for everyone else here to see as well. As far as I can tell, the only interest the 'Foundation' has is self interest; the group is comprised of those who hold the largest wallets in, previous or current.


What is Foundation group? If you mean agswinner, coinflow - they were known to Bitcointalk people since 2014.
Again, it's not a group, rather separate individuals. Maybe with the same philosophy of decentralisation.
Coinflow is a miner, agswinner is a main investor.


I'm entirely transparent and have facts and truth on my side, besides STILL having the Community's best interests at heart. RE: NON MONETARY INTERESTS.

That's a good approach. If it's your true approach, finally you will find the truth about the Mooncoin project. It's not so bad and it's really a very rare project.
You already spent 9 months, some people here spent 4 years. Many weak guys come and go, if you stay and really with this approach, finally you will win. If there is a some shadow group working under 'Foundation', please let me know facts. I can say that in 2015 when almost no one cared about Mooncoin, it was an idea of Foundation to protect investors, some people even told they wanted to be members of the Foundation and called themselves members, but it never was started officially, no any agreements, papers, signed contracts etc. I will explain later why it was not a good idea for a decentralised project. My mistake was to start a 'collective' Bitcointalk account with a name 'Foundation'. When I was new to Mooncoin, I believed it could help people, but in fact, in decentralised projects like Mooncoin where you control nothing, and where it's extremely hard to make anyone do anything and even if something even little is done, even absolutely without you, then be ready to be accused for everything which didn't depend on you at all. Decentralised project is a good challenge though. 9 months of experience in decentralisation is not little.
In next posts I will try to explain to everyone in detail how the project works, based on my own experience.




After your PM to Vassilis... is there any chance to get a new dev, re start this project all over again and keep looking at the future? let's look at the half full of the glass... i'm sick of fights and discussions for the 62B moon.
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March 12, 2018, 05:11:10 AM
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Hello please forgive me for my ignorance but i do not understand why Vassillis is consulting a lawyer is he trying to make a claim for the coins  who is paying for the lawyer i presume he is so if he is not making a claim what is the lawyer for ? why would he spend money out of his pocket for no finacial gain    i am only trying to understand the situation

No.   You should go back and read it for yourself.  Its already a mess.  dont put another spin on it.
 (anyone that answers, will put their own spin on it, even me...not intentionally, but thats how it goes)


my spin:

based on what was mentioned in this thread:

   Its about what he should do with the coins.   Whats the legal obligation etc.
thats it. nothing more.
Hello i have been following this from the start if you go back i was one of the first to comment on it  and i am certanily not trying to put another spin on on it  i was just asking a question not intentionally wanting to cause any problems i just have not seen a explanation on this subject only speculation    i wish for this saga to be over i just want mooncoin to move forward as i think the rest of mooncoin community   the sooner we can move forward the faster mooncoin can recover from this unfortunate incident
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March 12, 2018, 05:17:01 AM
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Just say this and I am really intrigued about this coin. Are there any plans for this coin to be added to any websites that uses ecommerce so that we can use it for payment purposes like payment for goods and payments for online services?


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March 12, 2018, 05:56:45 AM
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Hello friends of the Moon, I hereby present in ANN the official page of Mooncoin in Brazil that will be the basis of the commercial adoption and registration of businesses that in the future will accept Mooncoin.


mooncoin.com.br


Good morning ! Congratulation for your efforts ! Mooncoin must be one of the first 100 cryptos in coinmarketcap.
We can do it !

Very thanks for support Greek Bro, in next week Mooncoin Brasil have more news  Grin

Excellent ! Soon another my donation ... Grin

Very thanks Moon Bro, good news from MoonCoin Brasil in this week
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March 12, 2018, 07:29:53 AM
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Hello friends of the Moon, I hereby present in ANN the official page of Mooncoin in Brazil that will be the basis of the commercial adoption and registration of businesses that in the future will accept Mooncoin.


mooncoin.com.br


Good morning ! Congratulation for your efforts ! Mooncoin must be one of the first 100 cryptos in coinmarketcap.
We can do it !

Very thanks for support Greek Bro, in next week Mooncoin Brasil have more news  Grin

Excellent ! Soon another my donation ... Grin

Very thanks Moon Bro, good news from MoonCoin Brasil in this week
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March 12, 2018, 07:55:48 AM
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Hello friends of the Moon, I hereby present in ANN the official page of Mooncoin in Brazil that will be the basis of the commercial adoption and registration of businesses that in the future will accept Mooncoin.


mooncoin.com.br


Good morning ! Congratulation for your efforts ! Mooncoin must be one of the first 100 cryptos in coinmarketcap.
We can do it !

Very thanks for support Greek Bro, in next week Mooncoin Brasil have more news  Grin

Excellent ! Soon another my donation ... Grin

Very thanks Moon Bro, good news from MoonCoin Brasil in this week

My second donation Friends! https://bchain.info/MOON/tx/4cc5284497bb8d6ab9dc27672acba12a7bf3e27f1d408fd689f3174ffc7ce7aa

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March 12, 2018, 12:51:33 PM
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Hello please forgive me for my ignorance but i do not understand why Vassillis is consulting a lawyer is he trying to make a claim for the coins  who is paying for the lawyer i presume he is so if he is not making a claim what is the lawyer for ? why would he spend money out of his pocket for no finacial gain    i am only trying to understand the situation

No.   You should go back and read it for yourself.  Its already a mess.  dont put another spin on it.
 (anyone that answers, will put their own spin on it, even me...not intentionally, but thats how it goes)


my spin:

based on what was mentioned in this thread:

   Its about what he should do with the coins.   Whats the legal obligation etc.
thats it. nothing more.
Hello i have been following this from the start if you go back i was one of the first to comment on it  and i am certanily not trying to put another spin on on it  i was just asking a question not intentionally wanting to cause any problems i just have not seen a explanation on this subject only speculation    i wish for this saga to be over i just want mooncoin to move forward as i think the rest of mooncoin community   the sooner we can move forward the faster mooncoin can recover from this unfortunate incident

and you missed my point totally.

   I was talking about MY spin, and others.   (ie: form your own conclusions)

  if you were following from the start, you should already have those conclusions. 
All that we can do now, is wait for results, and move forward while we wait.
   (dont wait for those results, just keep swimming)




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March 12, 2018, 02:07:42 PM
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Hello please forgive me for my ignorance but i do not understand why Vassillis is consulting a lawyer is he trying to make a claim for the coins  who is paying for the lawyer i presume he is so if he is not making a claim what is the lawyer for ? why would he spend money out of his pocket for no finacial gain    i am only trying to understand the situation

No.   You should go back and read it for yourself.  Its already a mess.  dont put another spin on it.
 (anyone that answers, will put their own spin on it, even me...not intentionally, but thats how it goes)


my spin:

based on what was mentioned in this thread:

   Its about what he should do with the coins.   Whats the legal obligation etc.
thats it. nothing more.
Hello i have been following this from the start if you go back i was one of the first to comment on it  and i am certanily not trying to put another spin on on it  i was just asking a question not intentionally wanting to cause any problems i just have not seen a explanation on this subject only speculation    i wish for this saga to be over i just want mooncoin to move forward as i think the rest of mooncoin community   the sooner we can move forward the faster mooncoin can recover from this unfortunate incident

and you missed my point totally.

   I was talking about MY spin, and others.   (ie: form your own conclusions)

  if you were following from the start, you should already have those conclusions. 
All that we can do now, is wait for results, and move forward while we wait.
   (dont wait for those results, just keep swimming)




   
Hello yes i have made my own conclusions and i agree lets move forward and put this unfortunate incident behind us as i said earlier   and maybe i should not have mentioned any thing    so i apologise if i upset anyone which was not my intension
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nono, you didnt...

   im just trying to...explain ...   but coming off wrong perhaps.


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March 12, 2018, 05:34:27 PM
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Hello friends of the Moon, I hereby present in ANN the official page of Mooncoin in Brazil that will be the basis of the commercial adoption and registration of businesses that in the future will accept Mooncoin.


mooncoin.com.br


Good morning ! Congratulation for your efforts ! Mooncoin must be one of the first 100 cryptos in coinmarketcap.
We can do it !

Very thanks for support Greek Bro, in next week Mooncoin Brasil have more news  Grin

Excellent ! Soon another my donation ... Grin

Very thanks Moon Bro, good news from MoonCoin Brasil in this week

My second donation Friends! https://bchain.info/MOON/tx/4cc5284497bb8d6ab9dc27672acba12a7bf3e27f1d408fd689f3174ffc7ce7aa

Your goal is our goal  Grin


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March 12, 2018, 06:17:47 PM
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Regarding checkpoints - anyway a fork block 1,100,000 is a checkpoint, a fork block 1,250,000 will be the next checkpoint, and even if a dev adds new checkpoints regularly and even if the community updates wallets regularly, if you have a private key, you can move coins,
barrysty1e's protection (disclosure: I'm not an expert, I rely on open source nature of Mooncoin, on my own research and on comments from experts in this ANN thread) locked outputs of 'frozen' addresses, which meant that 'official' wallets (with the protection in the code) which exchanges use - don't accept coins from 'frozen' addresses.

Freezing of coins (not returned at that moment by Cryptsy exchange) was a quite unprecedented thing (barrysty1e posted that he had to invent his own approach to lock coins):

i couldnt find much in the way of freezing/halting spends anywhere.

so i just wrote my own method and its done well (https://github.com/mooncoindev/mooncoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L942-L1073).
there have been unsuccessful attempts to spend the funds over time through some fairly devious means, but now we're entirely across from the legacy client to the new 0.10 platform; it seems to have eased off.

james

My understanding (based on comments from a dev barrysty1e) was that since exchanges had updated the wallet, that became impossible to send frozen funds to exchanges:


Additionally; the new client prevents sends from accounts containing funds known to be stolen.
This code is already in place at the exchanges, so good luck trying to spend them (even from the old client) if you happen to be BigVern or..



If it was about mining and majority of network, then why barrysty1e posted that since the code was in place at the exchanges (they updated before the fork block), that meant that they could not be spent even from the old client, which had no protection. I've just sent a PM to barrysty1e, asking for more details about his protection. If experts knew that the protection could be hacked with the majority of network hashrate, then why didn't they post about that after barrysty1e's comment on December, 31, 2016 (see above) and before this situation with 62B happened in Jan, 2018. If they posted about that, please show me their posts (I don't remember that it has been discussed and yet cannot find any comments on it).

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March 12, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
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Coinflow, I do not see any 51% attack, if it were so simple I would not be here.

The idea about why PoS is more secure than PoW from some perspective (PoS has other security, economical and crypto ethical issues though) is that a big holder is not interested in a double spend attack, destroying trust in a coin, in which an attacker is invested in, however, if an attack was just to move coins on which an attacker had a control on by having them on his own addresses and having their private keys - it's not that case.

If you keep your coins in normal wallets or in paper wallets and don't disclosure your private key to anyone, you are safe against a 51% attack in a Proof-of-Work coin.
You can google it, if you don't believe. A 51% attack is about double spend (at exchanges) of coins which an attacker already has. Take into account that exchanges use one more protection against double spend: a number of confirmations for deposits, also more and more exchanges implement a verification of users.
Certainly a double spend of 62B didn't happen, or you could see 62B dumped on exchanges. The whole Mooncoin volume at all exchanges combined was not that much during several last months or maybe even years (I cannot say for sure about years, didn't count that). If a 51% attack and double spend took place, then you would see 62B dumped at exchanges about 2 months ago. If it would happen, then you would see the volume instantly in charts. Another thing which you would see: people who bought these dumped coins during a double spend attack at exchanges wouldn't receive them. Those billions simply would disappear from their exchange balances (a network wouldn't accept additional/double spent/made out of thin air coins). That happened to HTMLcoin (which now has a market cap several times higher than Mooncoin btw), you can google it, that happened to some other coins.
There are absolutelty no facts that a double spend attack whenever happened to Mooncoin (during more than 4 years).

Anyway, exchanges must protect users against a double spend. Exchanges decide risks and decide whether or not to list or a coin, what number of confirmations to set, in which cases to temporarily lock a wallet etc. Many things depend on exchanges, on their admins. Exchanges compile their own wallets, and in theory they are able to modify the code without letting anyone know about it.
Again and again: never keep coins or funds at exchanges, never keep more than you can afford to lose. You accept very huge risks if you deal with exchanges.
For newbies it looks like exchanges (companies) with transparent CEOs are safe, but that is not true.
Just look at these 62B (it was an exchange issue in 2015, it's not Mooncoin's fault).
A decentralised crypto project with an open source code = Trust. Any exchange/company = Risk.

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March 12, 2018, 07:24:05 PM
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About 'frozen' coins: when the community, a dev, exchanges, and major rightful owners of these coins agreed to freeze them in the code, people understood that there was no other way to prevent these coins from dumping by their not rightful owners.

Anyway, even if it really was a 51% attack, obviously even in this case only one who had a private key (had these coins on his address, probably  Mr.Vernon) could transfer these coins. Obviously, to organise a 51% attack and transfer coins (especially when exchanges and the whole community are monitoring the situation) is a way more difficult than just simply send coins from his address to exchanges, sell them and withdraw BTC. Very likely that barrysty1e's protection and monitoring of situation by the community and exchanges finally made Vernon transfer coins to a dev Vassilis Kritharakis, to an address which was transparently posted in Vassilis' signature at Bitcointalk).
So even if the protection was not ideal, it was what the community could do to protect itself from selling of these coins, after the update in Dec, 2016 and the fork in March, 2017 they were frozen, and no one could just sell them without making an extraordinary action (like as coinflow said there could be a 51% attack - btw is there any proof that it really was a 51% attack?).
Anyway, even if it's true, then 'frozen' coins could be moved on 2 conditions 1) having their private key + 2) an attack with a lot of hash power, the combination of both actions was an extraordinary thing, and barry did what he could. A 'fraudulent' action is an attack, and not trying to prevent further spending of stolen coins. If some bad guys steal coins, say, with a keylogger, is it dev's fault too? Just because he didn't mention that coins could be stolen with a keylogger, which is able to steal your password and everything you type with your keyboard. As far as I know, the protection was 1) freezing outputs + 2) telling exchanges + 3) monitoring the situation.
Even if it was not ideal and even if barry or other people didn't expect this extraordinary situation (we still don't know what happened), that didn't mean a 'fraudulent' action.
The community tried what it could. It's not good move to try to blame someone for doing their best.

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If you do nothing and if you are against people's initiatives, you are always safe, you are absolutely 'legal', okay, it's a safe choice,
but it's not okay if additionally you accuse people who tried help us all.

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That's why I voted for making Mooncoin more secure over and over again. But Mooncoin Foundation and some others blocked that - for example my suggestion of making MOON a PoS/PoW-hybrid coin or implementing another - more complex algo or technology - making it a little harder to attack Mooncoin, instead of spending development-power on MoonWord, SmartLikes and other relatively uninteresting things.

I didn't block anything: you were able to find a dev, convince him, convince the community and implement PoS or Hybrid, or Proof-of-Capthas.
Why I'm personally against PoS and exotic algos:
Mooncoin is a Proof-of-Work coin (like BTC, DOGE, LTC).
It's a time tested model, a golden standard. A network hashrate of Mooncoin now is like a hashrate of DOGE and LTC in 2014-2015.  
Proof-of-Stake is a completely different model. A lot of coins are Proof-of-Stake, but very few are Proof-of-Work. Proof-of-Stake often works like a pyramid when someone who already has a lot of coins, receives more and more. While with Proof-of-Work - miners mine coins, it costs money to mine a coin, they are not made out of thin air and people have equal opportunities. In the future regulators may also pay some attention not only to ICOs, but also to Proof-of-Stake coins with big percentage rewards, they really may have some pyramidal features in some cases.
In a Proof-of-Work model - labour, resources create coins. It's mining. It's a different model.

Proof-of-Stake and other algos have a lot of their own security issues. It's untrue to say that Proof-of-Work algo in case of Mooncoin is unsecure while Proof-of-Stake or Hybrid would be secure. No. There was a lot of discussing on that, so even without having so much tech knowledge as coinflow, I can definitely say that other algos have their own security issues.
Why not exotic algos: without miners (and pools are focused on Proof-of-Work mining which is simple and available for them, and btw miners are not ready to solve captchas or accept other proof-of-human algos like coinflow suggested earlier) - the network will be weak. Exotic algos have their own (often UNKNOWN) security issues. For example, a creator of Balloon hash algo disclosured on his page that it had potential security issues, unknown vulnerabilities. Also in case of Balloon and other exotic (or simply not tested by Mooncoin) algos, there will be a lack of miners and as a result - a low network hashrate, which will lead to security issues. The same would happen in case of selling of frozen coins, the price would be low, which would lead to low network hashrate and to possible security issues (however even in this case if you keep your coins in the normal wallet or on paper wallets, it's safe, a 51% attack cannot steal your coins).

I personally have no idea how to transform a PoW coin into a PoS coin technically. I doubt that this could be done without making a new blockchain from scratch and without a swap. Anyway that would be 100% and even 1000% against Mooncoin's philosophy of decentralisation and simply would be rejected by the consensus. Don't forget that even a fork is a big risk (to say nothing about a swap).


Mooncoin needs a stable and serious development, ironing-out of bugs and strong and friendly support of normal investors by a competent dev, as well as strong efforts to get it listed on further, bigger exchanges. Not a new soldier-of-fortune-feature or short-sighted-speculator-candy every day or week. That's all what it takes. If Mooncoin has achieved this, one could think about new features, if necessary. But first of all, serious investors need stability, honesty and a proven record of development. Everyone can write a white paper or a "roadmap", but developing a stable coin that becomes a "classic" or a "no-brainer" to invest in, needs much more than changing the block-reward or burning coins. Why not burn every coin except of 43, to become the brother of 42-coin? Why not do a swap and set the deadline to next week, so that the result is, that all earlier holders of MOON are out of the game? They would recognize months later, when they look again at their wallet, that their coins are useless then.


What coinflow says: hypothetically Mooncoin with 43 coins of total supply as a brother of 42-coin it is simply NOT POSSIBLE. It would be rejected even if someone announced it. As well as any bad dishonest things. Remember: the consensus in a decentralised project accepts only good things. And it's not me who blocks/blocked that. If you want, just try, find a dev, try to convince a dev, the community etc. If people agree, they will support you. Some responsibility is advised though. People should ask experts first and do a good research. Yes, I'm personally against Proof-of-Stake, but my vote is only = 1.

We can endlessly say that Mooncoin needs serious developers etc, but did you try to find anyone? If you tried, you knew that's extremely difficult. A dev must be experienced, honest, he must communicate, he must have courage, and finally he must provide his identity when he is going to code and compile wallets.
No one, except barrysty1e (James) agreed in 2015-2016 to become a dev on these conditions.
But barry had problems with communicating and completing things. After several months of madness of community in 2017 about barry's communication issues, an user polemarhos888 from Crete, Greece (who also contacted Mr. Valamontes but Mr.Valamontes didn't agree), polemarhos888 said that he found a dev in his town, Vassilis Kritharakis, he started to convince Vassilis to join Mooncoin development, and only after his many efforts Vassilis agreed. He provided his identity and started working, fixing issues first and after that he was going (he didn't even start it unfortunately) to implement new features MoonWord and SmartLikes directly into the wallet.
We all know what has happened later.

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