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January 11, 2017, 05:13:23 PM
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Link to profile : BoXXoB

Amount Scammed : 0.035 Bitcoins.

Proof : I complied with all the rules mentioned in the Signature campaign thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1697546.0 yet campaign manager denied payment as according to him,making 16 posts in 8 hours is against the campaign rules.


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Requirements:

You need to make at least 30 constructive posts per week
You should not have a negative feedback on your profile
You should be at least Full Member
You need to make at least 1 post in official thread
You must post in English, other languages will not be counted
Posts in any campaign thread, promotion or giveaway do no count
You need to wear our avatar https://www.bitdice.me/a/avatar.jpg
The campaign manager reserves the right to refuse payment at his discretion.

Breaking these rules will lead to disqualification from getting payment:

Changing our signature
Receiving negative feedback
Getting a ban in chat on our site for breaking the rules
Not making enough posts
Making not constructive posts, or posts that are less than 20 words
Having more than one account in this campaign
If we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday, you won't be paid

Additional Notes : I received a PM from the campaign Manager today -
You might want to make sure you don't have to rush with posts like you did today. You won't get payment this week as you made 16 posts in a day. Same next week and I have no other option but to remove you from the campaign from the time being.

To which I replied :
Do me a favor.Remove me from the campaign.Also I need the payment for this week.I can post whenever I want and you don't control my opinions.For Christ Sake,give a goddamn reading to the threads I posted in.Rush with the posts ? I don't need your signature campaign to control  my opinions.

To which he replies :
Also, there will be no payment.

According to his latest logic :
The rules state if posts are made in the last few days of the week there will be no pay. You made over half of the required posts in a day and had only 32 posts to choose from in the first place.
But..but I only need 30 posts to get paid from the campaign and the rule states :

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If we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday, you wont be paid
There is no such thing has half of the required posts or whatever which he holds as a point to not pay me.

I've always been a supporter of [SMAS] and tried my best to take a stance against Signature spammers.BoXXoB,I request you to pay me for the campaign and I should wear off my signatures.

By any chances if I'm wrong,I stand by the community and whatever decision you guys will take should be the only conclusion accepted.
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January 11, 2017, 05:17:58 PM
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Do you not realize the fact that you made over half of the required posts in a single day while having only a total of 32 posts this week is alone a good enough reason to not pay you for this week?

This is the only reply I will be making to this.

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January 11, 2017, 05:20:27 PM
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I am not making a judgement (yet) if you deserve payment however I would recommend that you contact the owner of bitdice as they are the entity that owes you money as they received the service from you. I would consider the campaign manager an agent of bitdice
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January 11, 2017, 05:29:16 PM
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Do you not realize the fact that you made over half of the required posts in a single day while having only a total of 32 posts this week is alone a good enough reason to not pay you for this week?
Which part of your campaign rules state "Making more than 30 posts per week denies payment from the campaign" ? Also,there aren't any rules which specifically mention the word "half" or any number for that matter.You cannot make your rules after you  start counting posts.

I would recommend that you contact the owner of bitdice as they are the entity that owes you money as they received the service from you. I would consider the campaign manager an agent of bitdice
I should do that soon.I'd also request them to choose a campaign manager which is known and respected by the community.
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January 11, 2017, 05:34:50 PM
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Do you not realize the fact that you made over half of the required posts in a single day while having only a total of 32 posts this week is alone a good enough reason to not pay you for this week?
Which part of your campaign rules state "Making more than 30 posts per week denies payment from the campaign" ? Also,there aren't any rules which specifically mention the word "half" or any number for that matter.You cannot make your rules after you  start counting posts.

You don't get my point. 30 posts are required per week. The fact that you only made 2 posts more than the required amount and such a large amount of posts in the last day is not acceptable. Had you made say 40 posts and 16 on the last day it would be a whole different story as there's a lot more to choose from.


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January 11, 2017, 05:35:47 PM
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It seems the campaign manager for that bitdice campaign gave all power to this manager to consul any rules that he deems appropriate as necessary.
It seems that you will not get payment either way because he can just change the rules to whatever excuse you do give him in retaliation for any backlash about it.
You can not win against that sort of transfer of power from the owner to the campaign manger.
This was stated in their thread just last week if you were following their signature campaign thread during that time of payments.

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January 11, 2017, 05:41:38 PM
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Joel, can you explain why you think you deserve payment in light of the following rule:
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if we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday then you won't be paid

I am still not taking sides however in theory you could make all your posts three hours before payment then remove your signature after payment (you would no longer be in the campaign). In this case, bitdice would receive lesser advertising then what might be expected. Obviously this is not the exact situation however it is somewhat similar. This might not apply as much if you have been in the campaign for some amount of time.
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January 11, 2017, 05:42:35 PM
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It seems the campaign manager for that bitdice campaign gave all power to this manager to consul any rules that he deems appropriate as necessary.
I did not understand a word you said.

It seems that you will not get payment either way because he can just change the rules to whatever excuse you do give him in retaliation for any backlash about it.
Correct.I will leave that to the community to decide.If the actions condemned  show a nature of injustice then I believe they should be tagged accordingly.

You can not win against that sort of transfer of power from the owner to the campaign manger.
This was stated in their thread just last week if you were following their signature campaign thread during that time of payments.
It's not about winning or losing.Let the community decide the remaining part.
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January 11, 2017, 05:48:26 PM
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Joel, can you explain why you think you deserve payment in light of the following rule:
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if we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday then you won't be paid
Well,I have been posting since 3rd day from my last payment,which means I have posted for 5 days in a row.Now,"Last Few Days" sounds quite vague here,isn't it ? Even if that's the case,the more weightage would be on the side where I posted for 5 days sequentially.

I am still not taking sides however in theory you could make all your posts three hours before payment then remove your signature after payment (you would no longer be in the campaign). In this case, bitdice would receive lesser advertising then what might be expected. Obviously this is not the exact situation however it is somewhat similar. This might not apply as much if you have been in the campaign for some amount of time.
This is my 6th week in the campaign so yes I have spent quite amount of time here.Thanks for your input. Smiley
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January 11, 2017, 06:01:49 PM
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Joel, can you explain why you think you deserve payment in light of the following rule:
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if we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday then you won't be paid
Well,I have been posting since 3rd day from my last payment,which means I have posted for 5 days in a row.Now,"Last Few Days" sounds quite vague here,isn't it ? Even if that's the case,the more weightage would be on the side where I posted for 5 days sequentially.

I am still not taking sides however in theory you could make all your posts three hours before payment then remove your signature after payment (you would no longer be in the campaign). In this case, bitdice would receive lesser advertising then what might be expected. Obviously this is not the exact situation however it is somewhat similar. This might not apply as much if you have been in the campaign for some amount of time.
This is my 6th week in the campaign so yes I have spent quite amount of time here.Thanks for your input. Smiley

It would be a whole different story if we paid per post in the campaign but we don't. This is why I won't make half the payment because it would set an example that I might do it in future. Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.

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January 11, 2017, 06:06:30 PM
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Joel, can you explain why you think you deserve payment in light of the following rule:
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if we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday then you won't be paid
Well,I have been posting since 3rd day from my last payment,which means I have posted for 5 days in a row.Now,"Last Few Days" sounds quite vague here,isn't it ? Even if that's the case,the more weightage would be on the side where I posted for 5 days sequentially.

I am still not taking sides however in theory you could make all your posts three hours before payment then remove your signature after payment (you would no longer be in the campaign). In this case, bitdice would receive lesser advertising then what might be expected. Obviously this is not the exact situation however it is somewhat similar. This might not apply as much if you have been in the campaign for some amount of time.
This is my 6th week in the campaign so yes I have spent quite amount of time here.Thanks for your input. Smiley

It would be a whole different story if we paid per post in the campaign but we don't. This is why I won't make half the payment because it would set an example that I might do it in future. Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.
So you are saying that if the campaign paid 0.001166666666667 BTC per post up to a max of 30, that you would have paid him?

Can you describe how this is different?
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January 11, 2017, 06:08:25 PM
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Joel, can you explain why you think you deserve payment in light of the following rule:
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if we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday then you won't be paid
Well,I have been posting since 3rd day from my last payment,which means I have posted for 5 days in a row.Now,"Last Few Days" sounds quite vague here,isn't it ? Even if that's the case,the more weightage would be on the side where I posted for 5 days sequentially.

I am still not taking sides however in theory you could make all your posts three hours before payment then remove your signature after payment (you would no longer be in the campaign). In this case, bitdice would receive lesser advertising then what might be expected. Obviously this is not the exact situation however it is somewhat similar. This might not apply as much if you have been in the campaign for some amount of time.
This is my 6th week in the campaign so yes I have spent quite amount of time here.Thanks for your input. Smiley

It would be a whole different story if we paid per post in the campaign but we don't. This is why I won't make half the payment because it would set an example that I might do it in future. Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.
So you are saying that if the campaign paid 0.001166666666667 BTC per post up to a max of 30, that you would have paid him?

Can you describe how this is different?

I would have paid him for the posts I qualified eg. about a half of the posts (the ones that weren't made today pretty much). I would have paid him for 16 posts. As we pay for the posts as a whole I'll not make a compromise to give half the pay.

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January 11, 2017, 06:09:30 PM
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Considering the past issues that have plagued the campaign with said manager, and after looking through these posts I'm inclined to side with Joel on this one. I do not see any basis for which I would deny payment (and I'm most certain that I'm stricter than said manager).

Joel_Jantsen is not exactly your random signature campaign participant.

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January 11, 2017, 06:10:12 PM
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Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.

Do you not realize the fact that you made over half of the required posts in a single day while having only a total of 32 posts this week is alone a good enough reason to not pay you for this week?

Are you contradicting yourself here ? Please be clear for once.Tell me,why Am I not getting paid ? Is it because I made 16 posts in a day or made 32 posts in a week ? If I don't doubt my abilities to comprehend I think I've read the rules quite clearly and there is no such thing as that.
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January 11, 2017, 06:14:12 PM
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Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.

Do you not realize the fact that you made over half of the required posts in a single day while having only a total of 32 posts this week is alone a good enough reason to not pay you for this week?

Are you contradicting yourself here ? Please be clear for once.Tell me,why Am I not getting paid ? Is it because I made 16 posts in a day or made 32 posts in a week ? If I don't doubt my abilities to comprehend I think I've read the rules quite clearly and there is no such thing as that.

In my opinion you aren't getting paid because of the fact that you made such a large portion of the required posts in a single day. However I'm willing to listen to what Lauda has to say and would like to have a discussion with him in PM.

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Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.

What I meant by this is if I start giving half payouts in each case people are going to start only finishing the job half way and expect payment for that.

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January 11, 2017, 06:26:34 PM
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In my opinion you aren't getting paid because of the fact that you made such a large portion of the required posts in a single day. However I'm willing to listen to what Lauda has to say and would like to have a discussion with him in PM.
Mate,was I not actively posting throughout the week ? (at least for 5 days)
I had 5 days on my hand and I can dedicate my time accordingly.I could post 5 comments each day or however I like,it's not mentioned anywhere in the campaign rules.Also I don't spend most of my time on bitcointalk to be able to post with larger time spans.I'm okay with Lauda's decision.

Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.
What logic does apply here ? For christ sakes,understand the fact that I made 32 posts and not 15.You're telling me my 16 posts made in 8 hours are not valid because you don't fancy them ? Roll Eyes

What I meant by this is if I start giving half payouts in each case people are going to start only finishing the job half way and expect payment for that.
Again,I made 32 posts and not 15.
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In my opinion you aren't getting paid because of the fact that you made such a large portion of the required posts in a single day. However I'm willing to listen to what Lauda has to say and would like to have a discussion with him in PM.
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Mate,was I not actively posting throughout the week ? (at least for 5 days)
I had 5 days on my hand and I can dedicate my time accordingly.I could post 5 comments each day or however I like,it's not mentioned anywhere in the campaign rules.Also I don't spend most of my time on bitcointalk to be able to post with larger time spans.

Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.
What logic does apply here ? For christ sakes,understand the fact that I made 32 posts and not 15.You're telling me my 16 posts made in 8 hours are not valid because you don't fancy them ? Roll Eyes

What I meant by this is if I start giving half payouts in each case people are going to start only finishing the job half way and expect payment for that.
Again,I made 32 posts and not 15.

I'm discussing this with both the site owner and Lauda. Let's see what conclusion we come to.

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January 11, 2017, 06:30:25 PM
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Hey Joel_Jantsen,

Sad to hear that you are having a problem with the campaign. I agree with you that it double how you understand If we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday, you wont be paid term of not posting during the last days, however, I do believe that you agree that half of the posts can fall under that criteria.

The reason why we have this rule is that we want that our signature under your profile was seen as much as possible, to make it happen, you need to post everyday, thus we can reach wider audience rather if you post at the last day, when only people that are online during that period will see it. Box is trying to maximize our benefits of this ad campaign. These are very strict rules, I agree.  

Can you email me details on when (if) he first time warned you about it, whether you previously did it, I will review and discuss it with Box. My email is contact@bitdice.me.

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I got some data extracted here prior to the OP post history within the 6th week range

Sections he posted during 2017-01-04 16:05 - 2017-01-11 16:00 

Economy / Scam Accusations / : 13
Other / Meta / : 5
Economy / Reputation / : 4
Economy / Lending / : 4
Economy / Services / : 3
Economy / Digital goods / : 2
Economy / Service Discussion / : 2
Economy / Gambling / : 1
Economy / Web Wallets / : 1
Economy / Games and rounds / : 1

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January 7, 2017 : 1
January 8, 2017 : 4
January 9, 2017 : 3
January 10, 2017 : 8
January 11, 2017 : 20
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--snipe--
Not sure if that's really jobless or productive.Neither it makes any sense here.Your point being ?
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--snipe--
Not sure if that's really jobless or productive.Neither it makes any sense here.Your point being ?

It can be used as reference, its not that im siding with either of you but it certainly tells that BoXXoB have a point.  And since your post statistics within that week range is not posted here, i think it would be wise to see where BoXXoB is coming from

edit: on the other hand it also show that you made the quota needed to get paid in that campaign.
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It can be used as reference, its not that im siding with either of you but it certainly tells that BoXXoB have a point.  And since your post statistics within that week range is not posted here, i think it would be wise to see where BoXXoB is coming from
So according to you,what the posts break-down should be like ?5 posts every day ? 3 posts in the morning 3 in the evening every day ? Sorry but I don't post to get paid,I post if something interests me regardless of the time or day.
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It can be used as reference, its not that im siding with either of you but it certainly tells that BoXXoB have a point.  And since your post statistics within that week range is not posted here, i think it would be wise to see where BoXXoB is coming from
So according to you,what the posts break-down should be like ?5 posts every day ? 3 posts in the morning 3 in the evening every day ? Sorry but I don't post to get paid,I post if something interests me regardless of the time or day.

I have not said anything against you or BoXXoB I am just showing statistics in there,  but the campaign had rule.  Else what is the use of the campaign rule if not to be followed?

This accusation and defends need the statistics because you were not paid under some rule.  I don't know which of these you do not understand


  • The campaign manager reserves the right to refuse payment at his discretion.
  • If we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday, you wont be paid


edit: i will refrain myself on replying here again because replying here again and again forfeit my purpose of only posting the OP posting statistics within the week six range of BitDice signature campaign for reference purpose.  Sorry for the troubles
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It can be used as reference, its not that im siding with either of you but it certainly tells that BoXXoB have a point.  And since your post statistics within that week range is not posted here, i think it would be wise to see where BoXXoB is coming from
So according to you,what the posts break-down should be like ?5 posts every day ? 3 posts in the morning 3 in the evening every day ? Sorry but I don't post to get paid,I post if something interests me regardless of the time or day.

I dont want to be in the middle of this but this bolded statement made me chuckle a bit. If you didnt post to be paid then this thread in fact wouldnt have been made would it?

I personally can see arguments for both parties here. Boxxob is trying to be strict and considering you made a majority of posts on the final day he is being very strict on his rules and denying payment.

You do qualify as per rules of number of posts needed for payment. You do qualify as far as quality goes. Its just how he interprets his own rules. I personally would pay you and maybe message you to try and spread out your posts a little better.

Either way i think this thread is beneficial to the rest of the community involved in signature campaigns. A campaign is ran at the manager and companies discretion. So in order to avoid situations such as this, you all should try and spread yourselves out throughout a payweek. A company is looking for maximum exposure as stated by Alex. The best way to get that is to see ppl posting daily a few times a day vs 20 1 day 8 another 4 and so on

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I dont want to be in the middle of this but this bolded statement made me chuckle a bit. If you didnt post to be paid then this thread in fact wouldnt have been made would it?
Primarily no.I mean I wouldn't post on a topic without having intentions of actually contributing to it.To simplify it further,I refrain myself from posting on a topic just for signature sakes.

The best way to get that is to see ppl posting daily a few times a day vs 20 1 day 8 another 4 and so on
Wouldn't that make one look like a sheer signature spammer ? For example,if I wish to make 5 posts everyday to make it up to the rules by the end of the week,I will try my best to complete that 5 post cap.I'm afraid I will tend to post rubbish without having any intentions of actually contributing to the topic just because I have to make 5 posts anyway.Makes sense?
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1. One of the problem with Bitdice signature campaign is that the manager just deny the participants due to the new born rules which appears just after counting the posts when the round completes which is injustice 'to impose the rules after the round complete and the participants do what was asked in the start of the round'. ( I am pointing it out for the second round in which a number of members were denied of payment due to a new rule imposed just after the second round end up).

2. Secondly the manager do not know that what actually happens in a forum. He do not know that a forum is. He do not know that forum is a place of discussion where some people gather to discuss something and in that discussion a person add something to the discussion without waiting for a specific time interval after getting response from the others. As I said a forum is a place where some people discuss a topic then just suppose there are two friends in a room and they have to discuss about a thing (for example a book) one friend say something about the book the other reply to him at that time then the first one will not wait for an hour to answer him but they both will continue without keeping a specific time interval for each other to reply. They discussion for to be fruitful matters only the quality sentences and do not matter in how much time it conducted. It is nonsense to say that discussion completed in a shorter time period is something bad and it is nonsense to say that the longer a person discuss (more posts in a day) is spamming.
I have saw a number of forums where the members without any signature campaign or any other reward often do hundreds of posts in order to continue the discussions on the forum just for knowledge etc.

3. The Third problem is that the admin of bitdice when hiring a person for a service do not look that how much the person have experience in that area of work. BitDice is giving a good pay to the participants then why they are unable to hire a well experienced manager from the forum. BoXXoB is either an inexperienced in the field of management or he is working to get free advertisements by planning while taking the favor of the administration of the forum by the propaganda of anti-spam (without having any knowledge about spam and anti-spam)

4. With all above BoXXoB not scammed only 0.035 but more than that from more than a dozen of participants.

For the betterment of bitdice I consider it better that bitdice hire lauda, Lutpin or yahoo62278 for the management of that campaign.

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1. One of the problem with Bitdice signature campaign is that the manager just deny the participants due to the new born rules which appears just after counting the posts when the round completes which is injustice 'to impose the rules after the round complete and the participants do what was asked in the start of the round'. ( I am pointing it out for the second round in which a number of members were denied of payment due to a new rule imposed just after the second round end up).

2. Secondly the manager do not know that what actually happens in a forum. He do not know that a forum is. He do not know that forum is a place of discussion where some people gather to discuss something and in that discussion a person add something to the discussion without waiting for a specific time interval after getting response from the others. As I said a forum is a place where some people discuss a topic then just suppose there are two friends in a room and they have to discuss about a thing (for example a book) one friend say something about the book the other reply to him at that time then the first one will not wait for an hour to answer him but they both will continue without keeping a specific time interval for each other to reply. They discussion for to be fruitful matters only the quality sentences and do not matter in how much time it conducted. It is nonsense to say that discussion completed in a shorter time period is something bad and it is nonsense to say that the longer a person discuss (more posts in a day) is spamming.
I have saw a number of forums where the members without any signature campaign or any other reward often do hundreds of posts in order to continue the discussions on the forum just for knowledge etc.

3. The Third problem is that the admin of bitdice when hiring a person for a service do not look that how much the person have experience in that area of work. BitDice is giving a good pay to the participants then why they are unable to hire a well experienced manager from the forum. BoXXoB is either an inexperienced in the field of management or he is working to get free advertisements by planning while taking the favor of the administration of the forum by the propaganda of anti-spam (without having any knowledge about spam and anti-spam)

For the betterment of bitdice I consider it better that bitdice hire lauda, Lutpin or yahoo62278 for the management that campaign.



You're one of who I kicked out, right? Why the alt?

That red text doesn't do much justice.

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January 11, 2017, 09:19:38 PM
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You're one of who I kicked out, right? Why the alt?

That red text doesn't do much justice.

Leave kidding here you are caring of a business.
Read with care what i said. Reply the points what you understand.
That is my last reply to this accusation. I have provided what I noticed.
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January 11, 2017, 09:27:57 PM
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Wouldn't that make one look like a sheer signature spammer ? For example,if I wish to make 5 posts everyday to make it up to the rules by the end of the week,I will try my best to complete that 5 post cap.I'm afraid I will tend to post rubbish without having any intentions of actually contributing to the topic just because I have to make 5 posts anyway.Makes sense?

It becomes difficult to meet the requirements of the campaign unless you are posting around 5 posts each day or fairly close. If you post too few, you will end up with too many remaining in the last days to not fall under the too many posts in the last day requirement or into the post bursting rule if the posts are posted during a short timeframe. I fell into the too many posts in the last day (well last 24 hours I guess as it included an evening/morning for me) category as well this week. I tried to ensure that I wasn't post bursting by spreading these posts across the entire day and making constructive posts as well but if you miss too many posts early in the week, it is difficult to recover. I would think that it might be beneficial to include some leniency based on previous performance of individuals as well as post quality, but that isn't my decision. If the user remains in the campaign for the following week, these posts near the end will still gain visibility for the next couple of days depending on the location of the posts so I'm not sure how harmful they are if they are of good quality. It just might result in less visibility during the beginning of the week. I think the goal is for equal visibility throughout the week, which is understandable, so trying to evenly space out posts as much as possible makes the most sense. It just requires more attention to timing throughout the week.

I don't feel BoXXoB is scamming or trying to screw people out of payment. He is just following the rules of the campaign strictly and doing his job in an effort to prevent spam forum and gain the most value from the campaign as a whole.
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January 11, 2017, 09:38:48 PM
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Wouldn't that make one look like a sheer signature spammer ? For example,if I wish to make 5 posts everyday to make it up to the rules by the end of the week,I will try my best to complete that 5 post cap.I'm afraid I will tend to post rubbish without having any intentions of actually contributing to the topic just because I have to make 5 posts anyway.Makes sense?

It becomes difficult to meet the requirements of the campaign unless you are posting around 5 posts each day or fairly close. If you post too few, you will end up with too many remaining in the last days to not fall under the too many posts in the last day requirement or into the post bursting rule if the posts are posted during a short timeframe. I fell into the too many posts in the last day (well last 24 hours I guess as it included an evening/morning for me) category as well this week. I tried to ensure that I wasn't post bursting by spreading these posts across the entire day and making constructive posts as well but if you miss too many posts early in the week, it is difficult to recover. I would think that it might be beneficial to include some leniency based on previous performance of individuals as well as post quality, but that isn't my decision. If the user remains in the campaign for the following week, these posts near the end will still gain visibility for the next couple of days depending on the location of the posts so I'm not sure how harmful they are if they are of good quality. It just might result in less visibility during the beginning of the week. I think the goal is for equal visibility throughout the week, which is understandable, so trying to evenly space out posts as much as possible makes the most sense. It just requires more attention to timing throughout the week.

I don't feel BoXXoB is scamming or trying to screw people out of payment. He is just following the rules of the campaign strictly and doing his job in an effort to prevent spam forum and gain the most value from the campaign as a whole.

In cases like this I'll probably go with paying a percentage of the payout in the future as long as the posts are good quality like Joel_Jantsen or you for example. Alex is planning on paying Joel by the rule of 8 posts max per day. Same with you (kolloh) I think.

All I want is to imrove my work quality.

(also, the rules will be clarified and updated later!)

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January 11, 2017, 09:54:44 PM
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Wouldn't that make one look like a sheer signature spammer ? For example,if I wish to make 5 posts everyday to make it up to the rules by the end of the week,I will try my best to complete that 5 post cap.I'm afraid I will tend to post rubbish without having any intentions of actually contributing to the topic just because I have to make 5 posts anyway.Makes sense?

It becomes difficult to meet the requirements of the campaign unless you are posting around 5 posts each day or fairly close. If you post too few, you will end up with too many remaining in the last days to not fall under the too many posts in the last day requirement or into the post bursting rule if the posts are posted during a short timeframe. I fell into the too many posts in the last day (well last 24 hours I guess as it included an evening/morning for me) category as well this week. I tried to ensure that I wasn't post bursting by spreading these posts across the entire day and making constructive posts as well but if you miss too many posts early in the week, it is difficult to recover. I would think that it might be beneficial to include some leniency based on previous performance of individuals as well as post quality, but that isn't my decision. If the user remains in the campaign for the following week, these posts near the end will still gain visibility for the next couple of days depending on the location of the posts so I'm not sure how harmful they are if they are of good quality. It just might result in less visibility during the beginning of the week. I think the goal is for equal visibility throughout the week, which is understandable, so trying to evenly space out posts as much as possible makes the most sense. It just requires more attention to timing throughout the week.

I don't feel BoXXoB is scamming or trying to screw people out of payment. He is just following the rules of the campaign strictly and doing his job in an effort to prevent spam forum and gain the most value from the campaign as a whole.

In cases like this I'll probably go with paying a percentage of the payout in the future as long as the posts are good quality like Joel_Jantsen or you for example. Alex is planning on paying Joel by the rule of 8 posts max per day. Same with you (kolloh) I think.

All I want is to imrove my work quality.

(also, the rules will be clarified and updated later!)

Ah cool. Yeah, I think paying a percentage of the payout would be a pretty fair way of handling these types of cases. It definitely adds some additional work on the campaign manager's part but I think would be useful and users would certainly appreciate it. I think you've been doing a good job with this campaign thus far and making adjustments as necessary to improve the campaign or increase clarity in certain rules comes with the territory of running a new campaign like this. Keep up the good work.
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January 12, 2017, 06:36:48 PM
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So I took a look and both sides have valid arguments.  The posting style does read like "oh shit I need 20 more posts to get paid today, I better post more", HOWEVER all of the posts are quality, with thought put into them, on topic, helpful, and demonstrate knowledge of what he's talking about (if he's talking about a website it's clear he checked the website out, if he's talking to a person about their posting habits, he links old posts).  I think by the spirit of the rules, he should be paid and maybe warned privately about posting a bunch on the last day (unless he's been warned of that previously, which doesn't seem to be the case).
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