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January 11, 2017, 05:13:23 PM
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Link to profile : BoXXoB

Amount Scammed : 0.035 Bitcoins.

Proof : I complied with all the rules mentioned in the Signature campaign thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1697546.0 yet campaign manager denied payment as according to him,making 16 posts in 8 hours is against the campaign rules.


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For lazy heads :
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Requirements:

You need to make at least 30 constructive posts per week
You should not have a negative feedback on your profile
You should be at least Full Member
You need to make at least 1 post in official thread
You must post in English, other languages will not be counted
Posts in any campaign thread, promotion or giveaway do no count
You need to wear our avatar https://www.bitdice.me/a/avatar.jpg
The campaign manager reserves the right to refuse payment at his discretion.

Breaking these rules will lead to disqualification from getting payment:

Changing our signature
Receiving negative feedback
Getting a ban in chat on our site for breaking the rules
Not making enough posts
Making not constructive posts, or posts that are less than 20 words
Having more than one account in this campaign
If we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday, you won't be paid

Additional Notes : I received a PM from the campaign Manager today -
You might want to make sure you don't have to rush with posts like you did today. You won't get payment this week as you made 16 posts in a day. Same next week and I have no other option but to remove you from the campaign from the time being.

To which I replied :
Do me a favor.Remove me from the campaign.Also I need the payment for this week.I can post whenever I want and you don't control my opinions.For Christ Sake,give a goddamn reading to the threads I posted in.Rush with the posts ? I don't need your signature campaign to control  my opinions.

To which he replies :
Also, there will be no payment.

According to his latest logic :
The rules state if posts are made in the last few days of the week there will be no pay. You made over half of the required posts in a day and had only 32 posts to choose from in the first place.
But..but I only need 30 posts to get paid from the campaign and the rule states :

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If we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday, you wont be paid
There is no such thing has half of the required posts or whatever which he holds as a point to not pay me.

I've always been a supporter of [SMAS] and tried my best to take a stance against Signature spammers.BoXXoB,I request you to pay me for the campaign and I should wear off my signatures.

By any chances if I'm wrong,I stand by the community and whatever decision you guys will take should be the only conclusion accepted.

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January 11, 2017, 05:17:58 PM
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Do you not realize the fact that you made over half of the required posts in a single day while having only a total of 32 posts this week is alone a good enough reason to not pay you for this week?

This is the only reply I will be making to this.
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January 11, 2017, 05:20:27 PM
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I am not making a judgement (yet) if you deserve payment however I would recommend that you contact the owner of bitdice as they are the entity that owes you money as they received the service from you. I would consider the campaign manager an agent of bitdice

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January 11, 2017, 05:29:16 PM
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Do you not realize the fact that you made over half of the required posts in a single day while having only a total of 32 posts this week is alone a good enough reason to not pay you for this week?
Which part of your campaign rules state "Making more than 30 posts per week denies payment from the campaign" ? Also,there aren't any rules which specifically mention the word "half" or any number for that matter.You cannot make your rules after you  start counting posts.

I would recommend that you contact the owner of bitdice as they are the entity that owes you money as they received the service from you. I would consider the campaign manager an agent of bitdice
I should do that soon.I'd also request them to choose a campaign manager which is known and respected by the community.

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January 11, 2017, 05:34:50 PM
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Do you not realize the fact that you made over half of the required posts in a single day while having only a total of 32 posts this week is alone a good enough reason to not pay you for this week?
Which part of your campaign rules state "Making more than 30 posts per week denies payment from the campaign" ? Also,there aren't any rules which specifically mention the word "half" or any number for that matter.You cannot make your rules after you  start counting posts.

You don't get my point. 30 posts are required per week. The fact that you only made 2 posts more than the required amount and such a large amount of posts in the last day is not acceptable. Had you made say 40 posts and 16 on the last day it would be a whole different story as there's a lot more to choose from.

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January 11, 2017, 05:35:47 PM
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It seems the campaign manager for that bitdice campaign gave all power to this manager to consul any rules that he deems appropriate as necessary.
It seems that you will not get payment either way because he can just change the rules to whatever excuse you do give him in retaliation for any backlash about it.
You can not win against that sort of transfer of power from the owner to the campaign manger.
This was stated in their thread just last week if you were following their signature campaign thread during that time of payments.

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January 11, 2017, 05:41:38 PM
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Joel, can you explain why you think you deserve payment in light of the following rule:
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if we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday then you won't be paid

I am still not taking sides however in theory you could make all your posts three hours before payment then remove your signature after payment (you would no longer be in the campaign). In this case, bitdice would receive lesser advertising then what might be expected. Obviously this is not the exact situation however it is somewhat similar. This might not apply as much if you have been in the campaign for some amount of time.

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January 11, 2017, 05:42:35 PM
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It seems the campaign manager for that bitdice campaign gave all power to this manager to consul any rules that he deems appropriate as necessary.
I did not understand a word you said.

It seems that you will not get payment either way because he can just change the rules to whatever excuse you do give him in retaliation for any backlash about it.
Correct.I will leave that to the community to decide.If the actions condemned  show a nature of injustice then I believe they should be tagged accordingly.

You can not win against that sort of transfer of power from the owner to the campaign manger.
This was stated in their thread just last week if you were following their signature campaign thread during that time of payments.
It's not about winning or losing.Let the community decide the remaining part.

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January 11, 2017, 05:48:26 PM
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Joel, can you explain why you think you deserve payment in light of the following rule:
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if we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday then you won't be paid
Well,I have been posting since 3rd day from my last payment,which means I have posted for 5 days in a row.Now,"Last Few Days" sounds quite vague here,isn't it ? Even if that's the case,the more weightage would be on the side where I posted for 5 days sequentially.

I am still not taking sides however in theory you could make all your posts three hours before payment then remove your signature after payment (you would no longer be in the campaign). In this case, bitdice would receive lesser advertising then what might be expected. Obviously this is not the exact situation however it is somewhat similar. This might not apply as much if you have been in the campaign for some amount of time.
This is my 6th week in the campaign so yes I have spent quite amount of time here.Thanks for your input. Smiley

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January 11, 2017, 06:01:49 PM
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Joel, can you explain why you think you deserve payment in light of the following rule:
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if we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday then you won't be paid
Well,I have been posting since 3rd day from my last payment,which means I have posted for 5 days in a row.Now,"Last Few Days" sounds quite vague here,isn't it ? Even if that's the case,the more weightage would be on the side where I posted for 5 days sequentially.

I am still not taking sides however in theory you could make all your posts three hours before payment then remove your signature after payment (you would no longer be in the campaign). In this case, bitdice would receive lesser advertising then what might be expected. Obviously this is not the exact situation however it is somewhat similar. This might not apply as much if you have been in the campaign for some amount of time.
This is my 6th week in the campaign so yes I have spent quite amount of time here.Thanks for your input. Smiley

It would be a whole different story if we paid per post in the campaign but we don't. This is why I won't make half the payment because it would set an example that I might do it in future. Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.
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Joel, can you explain why you think you deserve payment in light of the following rule:
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if we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday then you won't be paid
Well,I have been posting since 3rd day from my last payment,which means I have posted for 5 days in a row.Now,"Last Few Days" sounds quite vague here,isn't it ? Even if that's the case,the more weightage would be on the side where I posted for 5 days sequentially.

I am still not taking sides however in theory you could make all your posts three hours before payment then remove your signature after payment (you would no longer be in the campaign). In this case, bitdice would receive lesser advertising then what might be expected. Obviously this is not the exact situation however it is somewhat similar. This might not apply as much if you have been in the campaign for some amount of time.
This is my 6th week in the campaign so yes I have spent quite amount of time here.Thanks for your input. Smiley

It would be a whole different story if we paid per post in the campaign but we don't. This is why I won't make half the payment because it would set an example that I might do it in future. Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.
So you are saying that if the campaign paid 0.001166666666667 BTC per post up to a max of 30, that you would have paid him?

Can you describe how this is different?

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January 11, 2017, 06:08:25 PM
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Joel, can you explain why you think you deserve payment in light of the following rule:
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if we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday then you won't be paid
Well,I have been posting since 3rd day from my last payment,which means I have posted for 5 days in a row.Now,"Last Few Days" sounds quite vague here,isn't it ? Even if that's the case,the more weightage would be on the side where I posted for 5 days sequentially.

I am still not taking sides however in theory you could make all your posts three hours before payment then remove your signature after payment (you would no longer be in the campaign). In this case, bitdice would receive lesser advertising then what might be expected. Obviously this is not the exact situation however it is somewhat similar. This might not apply as much if you have been in the campaign for some amount of time.
This is my 6th week in the campaign so yes I have spent quite amount of time here.Thanks for your input. Smiley

It would be a whole different story if we paid per post in the campaign but we don't. This is why I won't make half the payment because it would set an example that I might do it in future. Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.
So you are saying that if the campaign paid 0.001166666666667 BTC per post up to a max of 30, that you would have paid him?

Can you describe how this is different?

I would have paid him for the posts I qualified eg. about a half of the posts (the ones that weren't made today pretty much). I would have paid him for 16 posts. As we pay for the posts as a whole I'll not make a compromise to give half the pay.
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Considering the past issues that have plagued the campaign with said manager, and after looking through these posts I'm inclined to side with Joel on this one. I do not see any basis for which I would deny payment (and I'm most certain that I'm stricter than said manager).

Joel_Jantsen is not exactly your random signature campaign participant.

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Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.

Do you not realize the fact that you made over half of the required posts in a single day while having only a total of 32 posts this week is alone a good enough reason to not pay you for this week?

Are you contradicting yourself here ? Please be clear for once.Tell me,why Am I not getting paid ? Is it because I made 16 posts in a day or made 32 posts in a week ? If I don't doubt my abilities to comprehend I think I've read the rules quite clearly and there is no such thing as that.

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January 11, 2017, 06:14:12 PM
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Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.

Do you not realize the fact that you made over half of the required posts in a single day while having only a total of 32 posts this week is alone a good enough reason to not pay you for this week?

Are you contradicting yourself here ? Please be clear for once.Tell me,why Am I not getting paid ? Is it because I made 16 posts in a day or made 32 posts in a week ? If I don't doubt my abilities to comprehend I think I've read the rules quite clearly and there is no such thing as that.

In my opinion you aren't getting paid because of the fact that you made such a large portion of the required posts in a single day. However I'm willing to listen to what Lauda has to say and would like to have a discussion with him in PM.

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Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.

What I meant by this is if I start giving half payouts in each case people are going to start only finishing the job half way and expect payment for that.
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In my opinion you aren't getting paid because of the fact that you made such a large portion of the required posts in a single day. However I'm willing to listen to what Lauda has to say and would like to have a discussion with him in PM.
Mate,was I not actively posting throughout the week ? (at least for 5 days)
I had 5 days on my hand and I can dedicate my time accordingly.I could post 5 comments each day or however I like,it's not mentioned anywhere in the campaign rules.Also I don't spend most of my time on bitcointalk to be able to post with larger time spans.I'm okay with Lauda's decision.

Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.
What logic does apply here ? For christ sakes,understand the fact that I made 32 posts and not 15.You're telling me my 16 posts made in 8 hours are not valid because you don't fancy them ? Roll Eyes

What I meant by this is if I start giving half payouts in each case people are going to start only finishing the job half way and expect payment for that.
Again,I made 32 posts and not 15.

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January 11, 2017, 06:27:40 PM
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In my opinion you aren't getting paid because of the fact that you made such a large portion of the required posts in a single day. However I'm willing to listen to what Lauda has to say and would like to have a discussion with him in PM.
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Mate,was I not actively posting throughout the week ? (at least for 5 days)
I had 5 days on my hand and I can dedicate my time accordingly.I could post 5 comments each day or however I like,it's not mentioned anywhere in the campaign rules.Also I don't spend most of my time on bitcointalk to be able to post with larger time spans.

Next thing I see is people expecting to get paid for making half the required posts.
What logic does apply here ? For christ sakes,understand the fact that I made 32 posts and not 15.You're telling me my 16 posts made in 8 hours are not valid because you don't fancy them ? Roll Eyes

What I meant by this is if I start giving half payouts in each case people are going to start only finishing the job half way and expect payment for that.
Again,I made 32 posts and not 15.

I'm discussing this with both the site owner and Lauda. Let's see what conclusion we come to.
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January 11, 2017, 06:30:25 PM
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Hey Joel_Jantsen,

Sad to hear that you are having a problem with the campaign. I agree with you that it double how you understand If we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday, you wont be paid term of not posting during the last days, however, I do believe that you agree that half of the posts can fall under that criteria.

The reason why we have this rule is that we want that our signature under your profile was seen as much as possible, to make it happen, you need to post everyday, thus we can reach wider audience rather if you post at the last day, when only people that are online during that period will see it. Box is trying to maximize our benefits of this ad campaign. These are very strict rules, I agree.  

Can you email me details on when (if) he first time warned you about it, whether you previously did it, I will review and discuss it with Box. My email is contact@bitdice.me.

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January 11, 2017, 06:37:30 PM
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I got some data extracted here prior to the OP post history within the 6th week range

Sections he posted during 2017-01-04 16:05 - 2017-01-11 16:00 

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January 11, 2017, 06:49:08 PM
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--snipe--
Not sure if that's really jobless or productive.Neither it makes any sense here.Your point being ?

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