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[guytechie]

Equihash stratum seems to be down? I am getting 0 hashrate on it and pool hashrate seems down on website as well.

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[guytechie]

Equihash is working again this morning.

[tpd09]

Thought you guys might like to see this as well.

Well this is what I've been getting the little less than a week from mining on zpool.  There were some minor periods of missing data, but overall this is pretty indicative of what I've been earning.

This is all queried from the site on a 5 minute basis.  The beginning was when Bitcore was having its huge surge at the beginning of the week and therefore I was getting much better returns and quicker payouts.  Since then the markets have cooled and earnings are slowing down, but as you can see it is all pretty consistent with mine.  Note that this is using Multipoolminer only mining on Zpool with just about every algorithm enabled.  So it is switching algorithms up to once a minute depending on profitability.

This is the earnings from 7  - 1080's and 1 - 1080Ti running 24/7 at 80% TDP

Maybe I could earn more somewhere else mining one particular coin, but this is very straight-forward and easy to do.  Chart was created on Google sheets from an imported CSV file.  If someone has better suggestions on charting or data that they would like to see from this presented in a different way then by all means let me know.

Everything is on the Left Axis except the Green Total payout line is referring to the Right Axis.  The Total gain line at the bottom is the 5 minute change since the last gain entry.  Everything is in BTC

how do you create a query on zpool?

[xqicka]

http://zpool.ca/?address=MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

FEE???

[Jaerin]

how do you create a query on zpool?

By using the information here:
http://zpool.ca/site/api

Someone posted a Powershell script several pages back on how to query this every 5 minutes and save it to a CSV file.  I then took it and graphed it in Google sheets.  I'll probably look at doing something in Python eventually.

http://zpool.ca/?address=MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

FEE???

Fee is 2% for the pool, but prices fluctuate on the exchanges and it takes time to mature the coins so the price you mine at might be different than the price it sells at.  Crackfoo has said that he pays the fees to payout coins.

[xqicka]

http://zpool.ca/?address=MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

FEE???

Fee is 2% for the pool, but prices fluctuate on the exchanges and it takes time to mature the coins so the price you mine at might be different than the price it sells at.  Crackfoo has said that he pays the fees to payout coins.

Exchange? MAC to MAC?

[Jaerin]

http://zpool.ca/?address=MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

FEE???

Fee is 2% for the pool, but prices fluctuate on the exchanges and it takes time to mature the coins so the price you mine at might be different than the price it sells at.  Crackfoo has said that he pays the fees to payout coins.

Exchange? MAC to MAC?

I have no idea what you are asking.  Try using complete sentences instead of one word responses.

[xqicka]

http://zpool.ca/?address=MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

FEE???

Fee is 2% for the pool, but prices fluctuate on the exchanges and it takes time to mature the coins so the price you mine at might be different than the price it sells at.  Crackfoo has said that he pays the fees to payout coins.

Exchange? MAC to MAC?

I have no idea what you are asking.  Try using complete sentences instead of one word responses.

Just math

Last 50 Earnings: MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

Machine (timetravel)   1.561100 MAC   
Machine (timetravel)   1.931584 MAC   

Total: 3.492684



Look at my wallet

Wallet: MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

Total Earned: 2.52570141 MAC

Where are the other coins?

[AK74XXX]

Hey, crackfoo! U'd closed w/o answering two my tickets submitted 10 (!) days ago. But things are getting worse, I'm quite tired of constantly checking for payouts issues...

1. 24265.66337716 + 24265.66337716 SBC http://zpool.ca/site/tx?address=sPs9jJefRGJGYK1rephiNj3UeGz2uw1Wmu
2182.83919198 + 2182.83919198 TGC http://zpool.ca/site/tx?address=tPrzKsfAtPrWSUMeAffsKKwyDCsuRgBT67
40.84963438 + 8.31601500 WDC http://zpool.ca/site/tx?address=WQpGTGUNwUY3itG6oVcj8RL6rU2NnDUwxm

All these payments are "paid". But as u c, not included in a transaction for 5-10 (!!!) days.

2. http://zpool.ca/?address=QVFsEK6gkTaYbL2H2wZLw3fZw267U3HtCq there was payout of 770.xxxxxxxx QRK about 06/27. It was handing unprocessed (the same as above) for about 10 days and then disappeared. Completely. First thought u'd repaid it, but no payouts combine into 770 QRK.

3. Two days prior the MUE swap I had payable (!) balance of 593,86145597 Quark MUE directed to 7Jv2E8BqqBg2eNjfpfz37WtqMgGmvdQSPB Bittrex address (which swapped MUE automatically). But for unknown reason it was not paid before swap. 07/02 it was automatically paid, hanged unincluded for few days & then disappeared, too. Altogether with pool wallet statistics, old link http://zpool.ca/?address=7Jv2E8BqqBg2eNjfpfz37WtqMgGmvdQSPB unreachable.

4. The only issue I cannot blame the pool: the 0.34685240 ZEC yesterday payout txid=4544975563dd6e66030c75770a62098892100c1dcb79d202820b93794f2d06bb to Bittrex sudden under maintenance wallet t1LAwysCHyggEPsPjxFMS3jXpZkLFK3s3Q6. What would happen with it, just idk?


crackfoo, this seems to seem toooo much, no? I just don't discuss ur assbiting exchange policy & rates, I suspect the pool just isn't mining coins users specify, but of ur choice with exchange afterwards. This matters not already.

Anyway, please, send all my money to me asap (incl. QRK & MUE [new address 7o9tvRUvLBKnCkEtiHMh1XKvwWNZnNM5oj]). Making sure all payouts are included in transactions. Don't downshift zpool's reputation another time.

[Jaerin]

Just math

Last 50 Earnings: MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

Machine (timetravel)   1.561100 MAC   
Machine (timetravel)   1.931584 MAC   

Total: 3.492684



Look at my wallet

Wallet: MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

Total Earned: 2.52570141 MAC

Where are the other coins?

See that wasn't so hard.  If you want people to answer you then you should actually spell out what it is you're trying to say rather than grunting like a caveman.  I don't know honestly I don't mine in coins other than BTC, but that does look strange to me though.

Crackfoo will likely have to answer what is going on.  Although the payout in other coins feature does say it has had minimal testing so use at your own risk.  We'll have to see what crackfoo says about it.

If I had to take a guess it is that you are still internally recorded as paying out the BTC value and not the actual coins and then depending on price fluctuations the amount of coins you get may vary.

So you didn't really mine 3.492684 MAC as far as the pool is concerned you actually mined .00679 mBTC worth of value that is worth 2.52570141 MAC right now.  I'd wait until those block fully mature and you see how much MAC you actually get.

[xqicka]

Just math

Last 50 Earnings: MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

Machine (timetravel)   1.561100 MAC   
Machine (timetravel)   1.931584 MAC   

Total: 3.492684



Look at my wallet

Wallet: MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

Total Earned: 2.52570141 MAC

Where are the other coins?

See that wasn't so hard.  If you want people to answer you then you should actually spell out what it is you're trying to say rather than grunting like a caveman.  I don't know honestly I don't mine in coins other than BTC, but that does look strange to me though.

Crackfoo will likely have to answer what is going on.  Although the payout in other coins feature does say it has had minimal testing so use at your own risk.  We'll have to see what crackfoo says about it.

If I had to take a guess it is that you are still internally recorded as paying out the BTC value and not the actual coins and then depending on price fluctuations the amount of coins you get may vary.

So you didn't really mine 3.492684 MAC as far as the pool is concerned you actually mined .00679 mBTC worth of value that is worth 2.52570141 MAC right now.  I'd wait until those block fully mature and you see how much MAC you actually get.

Look at reward in percent

Block reward 25MAC
25*0.07726=1.9315MAC
25*0.06244=1.5611MAC

[Jaerin]

Just math

Last 50 Earnings: MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

Machine (timetravel)   1.561100 MAC   
Machine (timetravel)   1.931584 MAC   

Total: 3.492684



Look at my wallet

Wallet: MPi4P5wBUjF6LK5WNVQp8VbxQL3XZcxMdQ

Total Earned: 2.52570141 MAC

Where are the other coins?

See that wasn't so hard.  If you want people to answer you then you should actually spell out what it is you're trying to say rather than grunting like a caveman.  I don't know honestly I don't mine in coins other than BTC, but that does look strange to me though.

Crackfoo will likely have to answer what is going on.  Although the payout in other coins feature does say it has had minimal testing so use at your own risk.  We'll have to see what crackfoo says about it.

If I had to take a guess it is that you are still internally recorded as paying out the BTC value and not the actual coins and then depending on price fluctuations the amount of coins you get may vary.

So you didn't really mine 3.492684 MAC as far as the pool is concerned you actually mined .00679 mBTC worth of value that is worth 2.52570141 MAC right now.  I'd wait until those block fully mature and you see how much MAC you actually get.

Look at reward in percent

Block reward 25MAC
25*0.07726=1.9315MAC
25*0.06244=1.5611MAC

I see that, but there is also the mBTC value right next to it.

25*0.07726=1.9315MAC 0.00303488mBTC
25*0.06244=1.5611MAC 0.00375512mBTC

Which equals .00679mBTC

As I said crackfoo will have to comment on it.  It does look strange, and maybe until then you should mine on a different Timetravel pool instead of a Multi-algo pool like zpool.  I'm in no way saying that there isn't a discrepancy.

[Jaerin]

Actually that looks like that is likely what it is.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/machinecoin/

Puts the price currently at 0.00000269 BTC

That's .00269 mBTC

0.00679/0.00269 = 2.524163568773234

[xqicka]

Actually that looks like that is likely what it is.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/machinecoin/

Puts the price currently at 0.00000269 BTC

That's .00269 mBTC

0.00679/0.00269 = 2.524163568773234

Currently price 0.00000270 BTC

Look at my wallet now
Total Earned 2.24221517 MAC

Lower and lower

[Jaerin]

Right that makes sense.  The value of your mBTC is falling relative to the value of MAC.

So the 0.00679 mBTC you earned when the value of MAC was likely at 0.00679/3.492684 = 0.00194 is now only worth 0.00679/0.00270 = 2.5148MAC

You mined the coins when their value was low and now the price has risen so that value is worth less than it was before.

You don't mine specific coins on Zpool you mine the value of an algorithm at a particular point in time and get credit for that value in mBTC.  You then get paid out the coin you select in the c=XXX statement based on the value of that coin relative to mBTC.

If the price of MAC had fallen after you mined them you would be getting more MAC than you originally would have mined up.  This is why multi-algo miners work well on zpool because you mine up the most value at the time that the miner is mining.

Maybe there should be a way to mine coins directly, but at this point there is an internal exchange to mBTC at the time you mine the coin.  I think this is about the only way that you can do it when you can be mining against several coins at once on a given algorithm based pool.

[pindis]

hi Crackfoo or anyone else who can answer me this. I tried to go full BitCore mining and got no blocks i think. and then my question is the following. When I see HashTap like this;

HashTap™ (bitcore)   0.00000023 BTC   0.379%   0.00022631   4m ago   Cleared

Does this mean that 0.00022631 was taken from my balance? I'm having a hard time realising what this is. I dont seem to see a significant loss in my balance towards this.

[xqicka]

Right that makes sense.  The value of your mBTC is falling relative to the value of MAC.

So the 0.00679 mBTC you earned when the value of MAC was likely at 0.00679/3.492684 = 0.00194 is now only worth 0.00679/0.00270 = 2.5148MAC

You mined the coins when their value was low and now the price has risen so that value is worth less than it was before.

You don't mine specific coins on Zpool you mine the value of an algorithm at a particular point in time and get credit for that value in mBTC.  You then get paid out the coin you select in the c=XXX statement based on the value of that coin relative to mBTC.

If the price of MAC had fallen after you mined them you would be getting more MAC than you originally would have mined up.  This is why multi-algo miners work well on zpool because you mine up the most value at the time that the miner is mining.

Maybe there should be a way to mine coins directly, but at this point there is an internal exchange to mBTC at the time you mine the coin.  I think this is about the only way that you can do it when you can be mining against several coins at once on a given algorithm based pool.

I heard you
Another pools, with same engine like YIIMP (profit/earnings in mBTC), working good, problems only with Zpool
Zpool specific - stealing coins
I'll waiting explanation from crackfoo

[Jaerin]

Right that makes sense.  The value of your mBTC is falling relative to the value of MAC.

So the 0.00679 mBTC you earned when the value of MAC was likely at 0.00679/3.492684 = 0.00194 is now only worth 0.00679/0.00270 = 2.5148MAC

You mined the coins when their value was low and now the price has risen so that value is worth less than it was before.

You don't mine specific coins on Zpool you mine the value of an algorithm at a particular point in time and get credit for that value in mBTC.  You then get paid out the coin you select in the c=XXX statement based on the value of that coin relative to mBTC.

If the price of MAC had fallen after you mined them you would be getting more MAC than you originally would have mined up.  This is why multi-algo miners work well on zpool because you mine up the most value at the time that the miner is mining.

Maybe there should be a way to mine coins directly, but at this point there is an internal exchange to mBTC at the time you mine the coin.  I think this is about the only way that you can do it when you can be mining against several coins at once on a given algorithm based pool.

I heard you
Another pools, with same engine like YIIMP (profit/reward in mBTC), working good, problems only with Zpool
Zpool specific - stealing coins
I'll waiting explanation from crackfoo

But if it actually operates like I suggested it might, is it a problem or just a difference in how the pool operates?  Different pools operate different ways, even using the same software.  As I said if the price was high when you mined it and started falling you'd likely be seeing your value rise over time.  Not all the different than playing the market really.  Zpool likely would be better in a falling market whereas Yiimp or others might be better in a rising one.

I agree though that it is difficult to know what the most profitable method for mining is, especially on auto-exchanging pools.  Hopefully Crackfoo can shed some light on it.  Otherwise there are a ton of other pools that you could be mining on.

[AK74XXX]

I agree though that it is difficult to know what the most profitable method for mining is, especially on auto-exchanging pools

It's very  easy to know, just few numbers and formulas. Which fit everywhere except zpool 

Regarding zpool, I suspect, as I've mentioned already, it mines NOT user-specified coins, but some other suitable for pool. Afterwards there comes massive exchange. 10-25% loss each payout, already calculated. That's why MAC-MAC exchange, that's why payouts are scheduled.

I guess. But almost sure 

And I'd advice everybody to click Total paid number (blue) to get payouts history window. If there're payouts with '...' instead of transaction number,  you are  pissed off, too  I've got 8 for today including two cleared (!) without refund (!!!). Post #1069

[AK74XXX]

Btw. there're shares eaters living in scrypt pool 

Check "Last 50 Earnings" section here: http://zpool.ca/?address=FLigKYiRACVutNz5Q1HBxRVrRy93sg8fCX

They grow! A week ago:
http://i.imgur.com/OFm45s5.png


One day they get out of net and eat crackfoo