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January 29, 2017, 12:58:48 PM
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Upon reflection, might try getting in touch with MegaBigPower and see if they still have their old 55nm Bitfury gear around and are willing to sell it.
I have enough chips for the initial tests, so there is no need of more (for now). For the PFC tests i may use some of my old (damaged) boards if nothing catastrophic happens with the rest of the boards.

am i missing something - how are you turning your 230V AC into 230V DC for the chips?
Not 230V DC but 325V DC = SQRT(2) * 230V ~= 1.4 * 230V

Interesting. Why not try with recent chips?
I have some PCBs printed for the 55nm and got some chips for free. Just the assembly will cost ~0.5 BTC and will need some other parts too while this is a hobby project and can't afford to spend on recent chips.

With the 16nm chips it will be definitely possible too (if this one works), but it will be much more difficult - more stable voltage will be required (i.e. setup with PFC, because the CMQ was removed) there should be dedicated SPI/controller for each 50-100 chips, while the setup will take ~870 of them and ~110 of their levelshifters add to that ~20 controllers and you will get a 50-60TH monster eating ~4kWh, which a single 16A circuit won't handle

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January 29, 2017, 04:34:48 PM
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Just to make it clear, because few people have PMed me with similar questions ...
This project will not bring back to live your old Bitfury gear nor it will make the 55nm chips profitable again.
The production cost is over 1BTC while 1TH miner with free electricity will make 0.05 say 0.1BTC for it's entire live.
I put money in this project for fun (as a hobby), not for profit!

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January 29, 2017, 05:22:14 PM
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STEP 3 - Filtering capacitors
For a stable operation usually several mF capacitor would be required for such setup, but because of chip specifics we can go with much smaller capacitor (values in uF):

205V AC220V AC230V AC235V AC265V AC
392 chips   152.37101.9485.1879.157.65
406 chips   198.58117.3994.4486.5360.23
420 chips   295.24140.56107.1996.4763.43
434 chips   618.47178.67125.6110.2767.41
448 chips   X252.12154.17130.4572.42

And the same calculations with 2A current

205V AC220V AC230V AC235V AC265V AC
392 chips   181.3113.0290.3482.153.07
406 chips   244.72134.8103.7493.0257.42
420 chips   376.39166.97121.8107.2862.56
434 chips   814.74219.32147.47126.7268.7
448 chips   X319.48186.86154.7476.18

My expectation was for 600-700uF and as it turns out it's close enough for the worst case (434 chips @ 205V), but if we can accept miner resets when the voltage drops below 220V stock 330uF should suffice for 448 chips and we can even go with just 120uF for 392 chips
There is no way to run 448 chips at lowest voltage ( 205V ) except if we reduce the current below the optimal by setting clock bits below 50. For lower J/GH that's an option, but my broads are designed around the optimal power point (1.8A @ 0.8V) and even that will not help, because the CMQ will try to bring them there (~1.5A actually).

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January 30, 2017, 07:13:40 PM
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Hit me up if you ever need more chips. I have hundreds of the old bitfuy H cards

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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January 31, 2017, 03:39:11 AM
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Are you running this off a single phase 230v line? Id love to see this work, but hate to say that running a 300-400 line string would surely end in disaster. There is a reason why most ASIC boards have very short strings, and some multiple strings in parallel. Its hard enough to provide clean power to the asics with a clean 12v DC power input...trying to do that with an a single phase AC line on a 400 line string is insane lol. The ONLY way this would be possible is if you have some very sophisticated startup and hash phase loop control down to each asic (I guess this could be implemented fairly straighfoward by controlling the PLL clock for each chip seperatly, but that would still be a coding nightmare, and not sure what kind of device you would need to have to control 400 I/Os in sync Shocked  .

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January 31, 2017, 03:49:52 AM
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Bitfury stuff loves to run in strings. Remember they built 48V single-wide strings for their own DCs and apparently got along well enough.

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January 31, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
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Hit me up if you ever need more chips. I have hundreds of the old bitfuy H cards
Thank You, but I hope not to need more as unsoldering from old boards will be a nightmare.

Are you running this off a single phase 230v line? Id love to see this work, but hate to say that running a 300-400 line string would surely end in disaster. There is a reason why most ASIC boards have very short strings, and some multiple strings in parallel. Its hard enough to provide clean power to the asics with a clean 12v DC power input...trying to do that with an a single phase AC line on a 400 line string is insane lol. The ONLY way this would be possible is if you have some very sophisticated startup and hash phase loop control down to each asic (I guess this could be implemented fairly straighfoward by controlling the PLL clock for each chip seperatly, but that would still be a coding nightmare, and not sure what kind of device you would need to have to control 400 I/Os in sync Shocked  .
That's my intention. As I said I have a working string on 24V DC (in fact 26V). The key here is the use of the CMQ - immediately after plugging it in the outlet the string self-tunes to ~1.5A. When latter the miner is started on the RPI, it configures the chips with 52 bits clock (~190MHz) during the detection phase, which is later increased to 54 bits (~215MHz) or 55 bits (~230MHz). This is enough as startup procedure at the moment and hopefully will be enough for a longer strings to. Just in case it's not, there is plan B - the miner (with my own changes and web interface) allows changing the bits for each/any chip at runtime, so a simple external/web script can do that very easy.

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February 06, 2017, 05:16:43 PM
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Small update.

While waiting for the assembly house to populate the boards ( slow cheap order 2+ weeks to wait Sad ) I have started with the power part and the sad thing is that, even we need just 330uF capacitor it can't survive the RMS currents, so instead of 2 or 3 220uF as planned will need to go with 5 to 10 100uF capacitors in parallel.
The inrush current will be limited with AMETHERM - SL22 40005 (probably 2 of them) or EPCOS - B59201J0140B010
Instead of choke and transil will use stock Surge Protector Power Strip which has them inside already and will also protect other equipment later.

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February 07, 2017, 01:39:06 PM
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Ever think about just stealing the passive PFC rectifier/cap portion out of an old ATX supply? Seems like that's most of what you're trying to build anyway, and around a 400W supply should be input-rated for your draw.

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February 07, 2017, 05:02:18 PM
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Yes, that was the initial idea, but I have checked few broken ATX supplies (350-450W nothing more powerful Sad ) at hand and they are all with 370uF 250V capacitors, so will need even more of them.
Also there is a risk with used ones, because their state is unknown.

The inductors in the passive PFC will increase the losses in addition to reducing the ripple currents, while I want to reduce the losses at minimum.
The choice for 450V is to be able to test with active PFC later and the increased capacitance will reduce the voltage ripple there too even if unnecessary.

There is one more advantage with multiple 100uF capacitors actually - will be able to test the effect of different values (voltage ripple) on the hashrate and stability.

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February 07, 2017, 05:43:50 PM
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Right, I've got a whole box of 470uF 250V pulls from old supplies. I got a box of retired (working) Dell server supplies I could scrounge some 330uF 450V Nichicons out of if you're interested.

I see the point of reducing losses, but as noted earlier, the nonlinearity in your rectifier is gonna give you a pretty terrible power factor. Course, for just a test, that's probably not too bad. I'm looking forward to your results with an Active PFC load. I actually suggested something similar to a guy a couple years ago who was trying to figure out how to chain S5s onto a 277V line.

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March 09, 2017, 05:24:34 PM
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I have finally received the boards from the assembly house



Hope to test them (one by one at low voltages) this weekend and that there will be no bad chips. There are still some unpopulated chips left, but repairs are difficult Sad

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March 17, 2017, 07:56:48 PM
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Nice!

Glad to see somebody is still doing it.
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