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Website online @ scammer-ianbakewell.com

What I'm attempting to do here, in my own humble, half-informed and disorganised way, is just bring together as much information as possible about the Ian Bakewell Scam, hopefully in an easily digestible form.

I am one of the unfortunate people who Ian Bakewell borrowed money from to start and run his Bitcoin business, which has now turned into a major internet fraud. Exact details are very hard to pin down due to the nature of the Bitcoin system, much of which is based on trust and personal agreements, but he has recently completely broken communication with the Bitcoin world, and deleted as much evidence as he could, after having stolen through various loans and share issues, amounts which are reliably estimated to amount to as much as US $100 000.

My plan is to write this as accessible to an audience not familiar with the esoteric world of Bitcoin. So first I think I should attempt the impossible, and try to explain briefly what Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin is pure genius. It may well be the best idea mankind has ever come up with. It was the brainchild of Satoshi Nakomoto, who developed the original idea, published a paper on it freely on the internet in 2008, and then promptly vanished. There has been much theorising about who this legendary, even mythical person, group or even superbeing might have been, but he's gone.

Bitcoin is many things to many people. Anyone involved with Bitcoin will give you a different definition based on their own feelings and passions. There are many forums for discussion of all aspects of Bitcoin, and remarkably for an internet phenomenon, most discussion is polite, reasoned and level headed and conducted in an atmosphere of cooperation, with much humour, gentle wisdom and generosity. I believe that the benevolent nature of Bitcoin tends to mostly attract decent people with a sound ethical backbone.

Bitcoin is a social and economic experiment. It's also a currency. And a fair, efficient system of transferring money with virtually no cost, almost instantly, anywhere in the world with an internet connection. It isn't linked directly to any existing currencies, but is usually compared to the US Dollar or Euro exchange rate. It is a free spirit which can not by it's nature be controlled or exploited by any single power grouping. The currency itself is currently being created in a process we call "mining" which consists of enthusiasts who are running powerful computers which have just one function, that of solving complex mathematical puzzles. When they have run enough computations to solve a block of this series of puzzles, they receive a reward for their work in the form of a newly created Bitcoin, which can actually be traded in for real world money at various "exchanges". In the very early days back in 2009 each bitcoin could be exchanged for a few US cents. In early April 2013, you could sell one Bitcoin for nearly $300. The exchange rate has fluctuated wildly, but with a steady upward trend in the last 4 years, and many fortunes have been made and lost, many in the pure trading process, but also through Bitcoin based businesses, scams, gambling and markets for various commodities, some on the fringes of most international law.

The process of getting and spending Bitcoins can, depending on one's cryptographic skills be more or less anonymous, and many of the transactions are made as agreements beween individuals, and are more or less "off the radar". But the paradoxical side to this transaction process is that there is a publicly available accounting ledger, an accounting system known as "The Blockchain", in which every fraction of the currency itself, as well as every transaction is numbered and publicly recorded in a way that cannot possibly be tampered with, so in fact, with enough resources, every coin and every transaction can be precisely traced and documented.

This wonderful social experiment has attracted a vast range of enthusiasts, of every political, philosophical and ethnographic flavour. Extreme right wing economists, radical leftist crypto-anarchists, genius software developers and a huge body of everyday decent people attracted by the high ideals are enthusiastically engaged daily in debating and shaping this emerging powerhouse from the ground up. The possibility to create a just economic system as a viable alternative to the rotten, corrupt and dying financial criminality which is currently dominating and devastating the world's economic balance, has got a lot of very bright people very excited. And, not least, it's very possible, especially in these early goldrush days, to make an honest profit without exploitation. The established financial institutions of the world are rightly scared of this growing phenomenon.

Which brings us back on topic. The Scammer Ian Bakewell.

Back in August 2012, and really personable young Canadian named Ian James Bakewell turned up on the Bitcoin scene, announcing that he was planning to start a company to purchase computer equipment to set up a Bitcoin miming business and was looking for crowdfunding. Someone asked immediately "So, another guy trying to get the community to buy equipment for them.... what makes yours any different?"

He answered "I want to build something solid and real here while keep my investors safe and giving competitive returns. Just trying to be as open and honest as I can"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1160497#msg1160497

He posted some really cute pictures of himself, along with unusually clear and detailed identification of his identity, his address, his union card, bank and financial statements and his equipment orders which can be seen here:

https://i.imgur.com/4uPiJnx.jpg

http://imgur.com/a/V85SV

After some discussion, he stated that he wished to "..to operate in a more transparent, ethical, and timely manner "

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1178842#msg1178842

Everyone loved this cute, open and honest looking young guy, and a lot of people gave him money through his crowdfunding scheme- a share issue on the young and growing GLBSE Bitcoin stock exchange, in exchange for a promise that they would still own the equipment in the event of failure of the company, and would be given full voting rights on any major decisions about running the company, known now as just BAKEWELL. He spent CAD $4000 of our money on two mining computer rigs, and started to produce an income, and pay dividends out to his shareholders. All great stuff.

GLBSE totally collapsed in chaos in September 2012, without warning, due to still unresolved catastrophic management decisions, leaving all asset issuers without any information about their shareholders, and many shareholders lost all their investments and thus a lot of money in the confusion.

Along with many of the other share issuers from GLBSE, Ian Bakewell went silent, refusing to respond to any requests for information, occasionally publishing hints that he felt that the whole enterprise was a write-off, and over. Everyone had lost everything. He, of course, still had all that equipment and the profits from its continuing mining income, and the money from sales of shares over and above the cost of the computers.

He suddenly reappeared around Christmas 2012, and announced that the Bakewell asset would reopen for business on the newly established virtual trading exchange BTCT. It's operator, burnside, warmly welcomed him as one of the first assets to trade virtual shares on BTCT, and did a lot of work helping Ian Bakewell recover from the recent chaos, regain his credibility and reputation, and import all the now recovered shareholder information into the new and efficient BTCT system.

https://btct.co/

Bakewell resumed paying very regular dividends to shareholders, even for the lost period between September and December, and even a jolly Christmas bonus. What a nice guy! Everyone loved him again.

But the contract published on BTCT was a mess. It was bits of the original contract from the days of GLBSE, with no clear future plan, and a operational details which seriously concerned shareholders, largely about how Ian now controlled a very large block of the shares through questionable practices, giving himself a majority in any changes to the running of the fund requiring a vote. Many people started to question this practice, as the shareholders were being left with absolutely no say in the running of the company, and many started to feel that Bakewell had taken their money promising transparency, ethical practices, voting rights on important company decisions, and that all these promises were quietly being eroded.

Then, without warning on the 3rd January 2013, Bakewell kicked his benefactor, burnside, in the balls and jumped ship to the rival virtual exchange, Bitfunder. All share information was promptly and efficiently transferred by burnside over to Bitfunder, with just a short, calm note that he was saddened and disappointed by the treachery.

Ukyo, the operator of Bitfunder welcomed Bakewell to Bitfunder, and the dividends soon starting flowing out to shareholders on a very regular and punctual basis. Maybe all had stablised at last? But shareholders continued to question many of his operating practices, never receiving a civil reply.

But then on January 31st 2013, Bakewell suddenly announced that he would stop paying dividends as he wanted to keep them for purchasing the new generation of Bitcoin mining equipment which was soon to become available. No vote on this one. We waited.

Towards the end of February, people started to notice that Ian Bakewell was apparently selling off many of his personal shares, and many questions were asked, again with no response.

Then he suddenly burst into activity all over the place, approaching many individuals and organisations for loans of money and shares, obviously fervently inspired by some new business plan he was convinced would make him, and by implication, BAKEWELL the company, rich. He negotiated many such deals, some of which became public record, many did not, so estimates of how much debt he was holding at the time of his disappearance vary wildly, but are quite possibly somewhere in the area of $100 000. And he still has control of the mining computers purchased in 2012, as well as a large upcoming shipment of new generation mining equipment, which will return very large profit margins very quickly. All, of course, purchased with borrowed money.

His last public posting was on March 3rd 2013, and as far as I know, nobody has been able to contact him since that date.

The BAKEWELL asset was frozen for trading at some point in early April 2013. Ukyo, the operator of Bitfunder has has been travelling and unavailable for comment to date, but has recently sent word that he will comment when he arrives back on the 19th or 20th April. He claims to have had some contact with Ian Bakewell, and will post this information on his return.

Around the same time, Ian Bakewell deleted all his posts in his thread on Bitcoin Forum, changed the title to simply "CLOSED" and posted a single mocking smiley face as a finger up to his shareholders and loyal supporters.

He received the badge of shame from the Bitcoin Forum, the "Scammer tag", reserved for those degenerates who have been proven to haave financially defrauded other members of the Bitcoin community.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63614

At the beginning of April, most people came to realise that, yes, he had done a runner. And various suggestions started to trickle in about whether there might be any point in attempting to recover anything from the seemingly hopeless situation.

A disparate group of disappointed shareholders, together holding over 60% of the Bakewell shares, along with a handful of the people who had tragically loaned Ian Bakewell money or shares have begun to discuss online various mostly half-baked schemes for how to report him to the authorities, try to block delivery of the new equipment, have his existing equipment seized by local police as part of a fraud investigation, publicly shame him, and try to find some sort of justice out of the situation.

Notoriously, in 2012, a Bitcoiner, calling himself pirateat40, set up a get rich quick scheme promising returns of 7% weekly on investments, ran his operation for half a year, with many early investors getting in and out in time with huge profits, before he predictably disappeared, with many millions of Dollars having exchanged hands, and a completely unknown profit from the scam. There probably wasn't actually so much left in the pot by the end. But the Bitcoin world was rocked to its foundations with huge losses and scandal as so many people had believed in his fairy tale promises, and committed far too much to it. Said pirate has faced no legal retribution whatsoever to date. There are so many legal grey areas surrounding Bitcoin as it is all so new, which scares many from initiating any action. Many value their anonymity, and are unwilling to step into the limelight. Many are embarassed as they have been duped again.

On the 10th of April 2013, a new thread was started on the Bitcoin Forum titled "Bakewell action proposal- call for volunteers" :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172471.0

where the saga is slowly but surely progressing.

What is really interesting here is that this appears to be the first concerted attempt by a group of defrauded Bitcoin investors who seem pretty determined, in a laid back and totally non violent way, to follow through, and actually go after him. They are receiving increasing encouragement from many in the Bitcoin community who are sick of seeing so many Bitcoin scammers defraud people and get away with it. There have been so many scams and scandals damaging the credibility of our fantastic Bitcoin experiment, and many poeple have had more than enough of this sort of behaviour. We would rather leave it to the Bankers and Politicians to behave like cockroaches, and we are starting to demand better behaviour from those who wish to be part of the Bitcoin movement.

Margaret Thatcher is dead, and the world is well overdue for a new value system based on fairness rather than greed, justice rather that state sanctioned violence, and fair and sustainable distribution of the wealth and resources of the world. I believe that Bitcoin might be a key element in this ethical revival. And it might all kick off with a small group of people's probably futile appeal for natural justice in pursuing a sad little man who decided to steal from exactly the wrong people at the right time.

I appeal for support for our cause, please spread the word about this story as widely as you can. Especially if you know this lowlife personally.

There will be inaccuracies, omissions and stupidity here, I'm only human. Please PM me with any corrections, suggestions, encouragement, threats of violence or ridicule, all are equally welcome.

If you're not a member of the Bitcoin Forum I can be contacted at:

est3banesteban@aol.com

Thank you for your time,

strello

Further references

Here's his information (which he provided or was publicly available) to contact him.

Original Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146689.0
Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63614

Pictures: http://imgur.com/a/V85SV

Ian James Bakewell

Suite 408
9903 104 ST NW
Edmonton, Alberta

(It's downtown.)

Google Maps: http://goo.gl/maps/dnqrB

Here's his face: https://i.imgur.com/4uPiJnx.jpg

He's 27 years old, born Jan-24-1986 and about 6'2" or more tall.

Residence:

Hillside Estates
Edmonton Alberta

Website: https://sites.google.com/site/hillsideestatescondominium/

(there's info to contact the on-site manager)

Email: ian.bakewell@gmail.com
Phone: +1 587 989 8448
Skype: ian.james.bakewell
Twitter: https://twitter.com/IanBakewell
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ianbakewell
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ibakewell
Google Plus: https://plus.google.com/109173548399743645280/posts
Blogger: http://ianbakewell.blogspot.ch/
Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/user/ianbakewell
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/ianbakewell
Domain (old, unregistered now): http://www.ianbakewell.com
Litecoin Forum Profile: http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=c9v582e1933cup1ftkl3clej11&action=profile;u=7744
Google Buzz: https://profiles.google.com/109173548399743645280/buzz
Google Reader: http://www.google.com/reader/shared/Ian.Bakewell
Ventrino Forum: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:MMKGhX55uacJ:www.ventrino.com/forums/index.php%3Fshowuser%3D1945+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ch
Aff Funnel Forum: http://www.affiliatefunnel.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=10083&sid=b4f5f23cb37b3b6fc7be6ff9d99a0375

Bitcoin Address:

1MT2nwTUkGvNMcrbB3Pi18cowNSd1UDjgU

His "Bakewell" mining operation:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.0
https://btct.co/security/BAKEWELL
https://bitfunder.com/asset/BAKEWELL

Edmonton Police, Downtown Devision
Website: http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/ContactEPS/EPSPoliceStations/DowntownDivision.aspx
Google Maps (shows closest stations): http://goo.gl/maps/TQADZ


People that know him:

His girlfriend (unknown) and...

Robin Bouwhuis (831061)
Landmetersweg 27
Den Helder, 1785 HA, NL

Website: http://www.dutchgeek.com/
Bio: http://www.dutchgeek.com/about-me/
Email: robin@dutchgeek.com
Whois: http://whois.domaintools.com/dutchgeek.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Robin_Bouwhuis
Second Twitter: https://twitter.com/DutchGeek
Face: https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/77823256/robin2_100x100.jpg
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DutchGeek
Another website (he & Ian owned): http://whois.domaintools.com/easysurfexchange.com

Proof of association:

https://twitter.com/Robin_Bouwhuis/status/1204937543
http://archive.aweber.com/tonytezak/11IpN/t/EasySurfExchange_New_Co_owner_.htm

His girlfriend's Facebook, now deleted:  https://www.facebook.com/jen.......... identity and address now confirmed!

Other related threads on the Bitcoin Forum:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150830.msg1606156#msg1606156

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172471.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172471.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165050.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133362.0


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You invest in something that seems too good to be true, based on an anonymous commodity ideally suited to criminals and fraudsters, and then you're surprised when you are left out of pocket?

Not that I don't totally disagree with these scams, but you can't con an honest man.

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You invest in something that seems too good to be true, based on an anonymous commodity ideally suited to criminals and fraudsters, and then you're surprised when you are left out of pocket?

Not that I don't totally disagree with these scams, but you can't con an honest man.

This. there is something about bitcoin investments that make many people turn their brain off.

If you got an email from a Nigerian prince asking you to send him dollars, you'd laugh and delete it. But when said prince asks you to send him bitcoins, a lot of people here open up their wallet.dats and start thinking of how many BMWs they'll buy.

A downside of bitcoin at the moment, is that it's completely legal to steal anyone else's bitcoins for any reason, provided you don't break any local computer usage/access laws. Due to this I wouldn't invest in any bitcoin business without a proper legal document in place, drawn up and witnessed in whatever country the business owner lives in.
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Great article! You really put alot of thought into it and i hope you get your coins back.
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Edit: just noticed that this leads to a topic on multiple IP adresses.

On the 10th of April 2013, a new thread was started on the Bitcoin Forum titled "Bakewell action proposal- call for volunteers" :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172h471.0
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Thanks for the encour agement unluckyduck.

And thanks for pointing out the bad link- it's fixed now.

Hope your luck changes!

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You invest in something that seems too good to be true, based on an anonymous commodity ideally suited to criminals and fraudsters, and then you're surprised when you are left out of pocket?

Not that I don't totally disagree with these scams, but you can't con an honest man.

I didn't invest in Bakewell because I thought it was too good to be true. I invested because it was obvious Ian understood the bitcoin mining business much better than I did, and I wanted to be involved in mining. I liked how he was being open about his identity (in retrospect I suppose that was the ploy all along).

It's still amazing to me that someone would spend that much time building up a good reputation in life with the intention of torching it all for a few dollars (and not even a life changing amount of money at that).
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I didn't invest in Bakewell because I thought it was too good to be true. I invested because it was obvious Ian understood the bitcoin mining business much better than I did, and I wanted to be involved in mining. I liked how he was being open about his identity (in retrospect I suppose that was the ploy all along).

It's still amazing to me that someone would spend that much time building up a good reputation in life with the intention of torching it all for a few dollars (and not even a life changing amount of money at that).

He didn't plan to scam (most scammers in Bitcoin don't). He simply overestimated his own ability, just like you did.

This is why pretty much everyone can benefit from a good wing clipping most of the time.

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I didn't invest in Bakewell because I thought it was too good to be true. I invested because it was obvious Ian understood the bitcoin mining business much better than I did, and I wanted to be involved in mining. I liked how he was being open about his identity (in retrospect I suppose that was the ploy all along).

It's still amazing to me that someone would spend that much time building up a good reputation in life with the intention of torching it all for a few dollars (and not even a life changing amount of money at that).

He didn't plan to scam (most scammers in Bitcoin don't). He simply overestimated his own ability, just like you did.

This is why pretty much everyone can benefit from a good wing clipping most of the time.
I think he planned to scam. Why wouldn't he come clean if this wasn't the case? We're all waiting for him to explain himself and come clean and settle.
It could be too late to settle it anyways because wheels are in motion and I'm not completely sure of the timeframes of who's doing what and when with regard to this case.

Did you mean I overestimated my ability as an investor? No shit. I couldn't agree more with that. Almost every asset I chose on GLBSE, Bitfunder, BTC.CO, and LTCglobal ended up posing me money. Where have I made a bit of money? Holding Bitcoin.
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If anyone has some time and basic web-development skills they should register a domain such as IanBakewell.com and get this info up there.

A nice picture of him on the front with SCAMMER & THIEF in big red letters above, plus links to all the info.  Then start linking to it everywhere - and visiting it daily and within a few months anyone Googling his name will find it.  Then he'll start getting asked questions by those he knows in RL putting a bit more pressure on him.

Not a web-developer myself - and am not owed anything by him anyway - but if someone wants to do it I'll happily pay for domain registration/hosting.

Also, has anyone contacted the second-life lot?  If I recall right he was also running some business in there - someone found it when there was previous controversy about him.
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If anyone has some time and basic web-development skills they should register a domain such as IanBakewell.com and get this info up there.

A nice picture of him on the front with SCAMMER & THIEF in big red letters above, plus links to all the info.  Then start linking to it everywhere - and visiting it daily and within a few months anyone Googling his name will find it.  Then he'll start getting asked questions by those he knows in RL putting a bit more pressure on him.

I like the idea, but as it turns out that domain is already registered..as of March 4th, 2013 interestingly enough.

If people are serious about this I'd certainly consider setting something up since it wouldn't be more than a few hours work.

EDIT: Also..@strello: Excellently written summation, and I think you nailed just about everything. I don't have anything to add, but if I think of something I'll PM you.

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Website now online at

scammer-ianbakewell.com

Ian, do get in touch!

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He owes me BTC275

I'm trying to get an attorney on contingency.

Why isn't his GF's dox released?

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Why isn't his GF's dox released?

I lost 50 unfortunately.

I think it's a bit extreme to bring his girlfriend into this...she didn't participate (as far as we provably know of course) in Ian's activities. I don't think it's right to publicly expose her for doing nothing but being a part of Ian's life.

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We have the dox, plenty of photos and lots of information on young ms JS.

However, there is a general agreement in the Bakewell shareholders group, that at the moment, she may well be innocent in all of this, and are unwilling to make her life more difficult.

At the moment......

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Strello, thanks for putting the info you've gathered out there for the community, its appreciated.
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I'm also owner of 100+BTC Ian Bakewell debt now so if I can be useful, let me know.

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Glad I never invested into Ian Smiley

Matthew N. Wright ... a scammer offering his help against a scammer ... hillarious.
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Glad I never invested into Ian Smiley

Matthew N. Wright ... a scammer offering his help against a scammer ... hillarious.

I'm sorry you were hurt by that prank. You're still #21 in the pay queue and all my income goes to paying those people as a sort of "stupid tax" to me. I've learned a lesson not to play pranks involving money. I crossed a line. Scammer though? Why are you making up new definitions for perfectly good words, when you have people like Alberto Armandi (bitscalper/Bitdaytrader), Tawsix (mining rig scam), MyBitcoin, and literally endless more cases of *actual* scams? I don't mind hearing you complain while you wait to be paid, but I just wish you were more sensible is all.

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Off-topic, please discuss this somewhere else..
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it's completely legal to steal anyone else's bitcoins for any reason
I strongly doubt that.

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April 21, 2013, 05:05:49 PM
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how did you lose your scammer tag.

Which time? The first or the second? Click the link in my signature if you are actually interested in finding out. Don't tell me you thought I was a scammer too?

Annoying yes.  Scammer no.

(I'll delete after it's been read)


Well, I can't argue about the annoying part for some (my own girlfriend says I'm annoying sometimes). Just too many endorphins I guess.

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April 21, 2013, 06:30:42 PM
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Well, I can't argue about the annoying part for some (my own girlfriend says I'm annoying sometimes). Just too many endorphins I guess.

I believed you up until the "girlfriend" part.

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April 21, 2013, 06:35:39 PM
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Well, I can't argue about the annoying part for some (my own girlfriend says I'm annoying sometimes). Just too many endorphins I guess.

I believed you up until the "girlfriend" part.


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April 22, 2013, 10:40:07 AM
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To Ian Bakewell.

Ian, on April 1st, 2013, you froze the Bakewell asset on Bitfunder, telling Ukyo that you would be contacting and dealing with the shareholders to quote from your skype conversation with Ukyo:

"I will be dealing with the company through the forum from now on."

Not one of the shareholders has heard anything from you since that date.

The shareholder group, now demands that you contact us to discuss the future of Bakewell.

Please PM nameface, strello, wisard, MikeMark, fourd00rgtz, or scrybe, as they are the most active of the shareholders online.

We demand you respond to this message before 12.00 UTC Wednesday April 24th 2013.

If you don't respond by that time, we will be taking further steps to recover funds and assets that you have stolen from us.

This message has been posted to the original Bakewell thread, and emailed to your known email address, ian.bakewell@gmail.com.



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