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January 28, 2017, 07:00:28 AM
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It's really scary to know like a third of the coins were stolen but at least BIFINEX is not closing down and will compensate everyone so customers have not lost out. It's funny though that they are offering a bounty even to the hacker lol. He should be rewarded for hacking? I am not so sure, but if he returned the dough that would be something.

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January 28, 2017, 07:41:02 AM
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I seriously wonder if these stolen coins will ever be recovered? I mean, it doesn't seem impossible with companies devoted to blockchain analysis.
Does anyone know of any examples of large Bitcoin thefts where the perpetrators were caught in the end? 
I didnt even hear such thing that there are suspects of thefts have been caught even to those scam doublers and hyips its real hard to trace them up how much more on those hackers of bitfinex it think they would do extreme measures for them to be tracked like using mixers or other stuffs that would cover their faces. If bitfinex funds is already moving and passing it to exchanges then its better to give alert to those exchanges that have been used to pass on those stolen funds.



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January 28, 2017, 07:50:46 AM
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Probably those bitcoin cannot be longer retrieved by the owners. There are no central agency that is controlling bitcoins and so there will be no group that will chase the hacker and put them in jail. Thats the problem with decentralization, though its freedom from the slavery of banks but its hard to be free from hackers, scammers that will take away your hard earned coins.

You are missing the point of the discussion here.  It is not whether the original owner can retrieve it or not, the discussion is about exchanges and mixer reaction on the received stolen Bitfinex Coins, if it was recovered then of course it will be returned to the exchange where it was hacked.

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January 28, 2017, 08:22:44 AM
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I seriously wonder if these stolen coins will ever be recovered? I mean, it doesn't seem impossible with companies devoted to blockchain analysis.
Does anyone know of any examples of large Bitcoin thefts where the perpetrators were caught in the end? 
If I were to bet on it, I would say they will be recovered. The exact addresses of where the coins are "sitting" are very well known, and are well publicized. I would doubt that any exchange would hesitate to freeze the account of anyone who receives any of the stolen coins. If a mixer were to receive any of the stolen coins, they would probably not "mix" the stolen coins because their customers would be unable to use those coins on an exchange. So, the hacker's only likely choice would be to deal with bitfinex to try to negotiate the return of some of the stolen coins.

I am not aware of any large thefts/hacks in which the thieves ended up getting caught, although I think this is different because of the above.

As of block 450293 872.89153671BTC has moved, and according to the OP of the above reddit thread they have been sent to various exchanges (possibly to see how they will react to receiving deposits of these stolen coins).

Seems to be a fraction of the whole booties. I would announce doubts about the exchanges reacting in a way that is satisfying for the thieves, which will just drain that flow again. Evading further observations. This time they just got caught, next times not.
I am not quite sure what you are trying to say.
I don't think that most mixers would have the morality to not mix these coins because their customers would not be able to use them.
About that, would they really not be able to use them? I would assume that blockchain analysis is something that takes time.

Enough time for someone (someone getting those mixed coins) to use those tainted coins before anyone noticing perhaps?

This topic from 2014 talk about previous Bitcoin thieves being caught and there are some that were, if you read the entire thread.
Though not many high profile cases.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500212.0
Yes, not all of mixer may have the morality to refuse that kind of transaction. But I bet they don't want to accept to mix those stolen bitcoin as it so famous to deal with. The thieves have been waiting all this time to move the coins, but every move may tracked by authorities. Hopefully those bitcoins could be recovered even bitfinex and thieves should negotiate to give it back, but low chance to be happen.



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January 28, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
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It's really scary to know like a third of the coins were stolen but at least BIFINEX is not closing down and will compensate everyone so customers have not lost out.

Compensating people in form of worthless tokens that people can exchange to a certain amount of equity in the main company is not really a worthy compensation if you ask me. People simply want their cold hard coins back. This "comensation" is just set up to keep people their mouths shut for a good while.

It's funny though that they are offering a bounty even to the hacker lol. He should be rewarded for hacking? I am not so sure, but if he returned the dough that would be something.

It's indeed funny, but at the same time quite a desperate call as well. Especially if you consider that there might not have been a hack at all. But in case these coins are really stolen due to a hack, then a bounty could be a last resort option. If you don't try, you won't gain anything. But there is more to it than simply a reward. I am sure that they try to contact the "hacker(s)" in the hope that they make a mistake where they potentially can be traced one way or another. Nothing will be done without a reason. Thieves won't be rewarded just like that. Wink

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January 28, 2017, 10:46:44 AM
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I sincerely hope stolen coins get frozen. Crypto scum should never be allowed to profit from their crime. It undermines trust into the community and gives them ideas to repeat the whole process.

Bitfinex is offering a 5% reward for each coin anyone can return to it. Any exchange sent stolen coins can claim 5% of them and return the rest to bitfinex. Dong that would pay them more money than they would get if they let the hacker withdraw or trade any coins he deposited to an exchange. All those exchanges will probably opt to claim the 5% reward because of the financial incentive.
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January 28, 2017, 11:11:16 AM
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This is interesting with the published address there's a high level certainty that the coins shall be returned by the exchanges though I can't remember when was the last time something like this ever happened. I read there a 5% reward per coin, which raises a suspension in my mind, what if the exchanges are involved in it. The guy who stole it could have a pact with them right, so both would profit as the risk of being caught would reduce, or I am thinking wrong?

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January 28, 2017, 11:22:46 AM
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This is interesting with the published address there's a high level certainty that the coins shall be returned by the exchanges though I can't remember when was the last time something like this ever happened. I read there a 5% reward per coin, which raises a suspension in my mind, what if the exchanges are involved in it. The guy who stole it could have a pact with them right, so both would profit as the risk of being caught would reduce, or I am thinking wrong?
If you think logically, then there is no point for the hacker to return whatever number of coins to Bitfinex.

It's clear that if you cause so much damage to an exchange, that you as hacker don't have any moral problems with keeping these coins even though you know that innocent people have been suffering.

If these coins do get returned, which I can't see happening, then it's an ultra foolish hacker. Another possibility is that it was an insider job where the people behind this attack are trying to slowly return a small portion of these coins.

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I seriously wonder if these stolen coins will ever be recovered? I mean, it doesn't seem impossible with companies devoted to blockchain analysis.
Does anyone know of any examples of large Bitcoin thefts where the perpetrators were caught in the end? 
Such stories have not heard, but the FBI has repeatedly stated that they have echnology able to calculate the attacker, recently working on a similar program started Interpol, can see what they come out and be like stealing fast track and return the funds to owners.

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January 28, 2017, 11:34:43 AM
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I seriously wonder if these stolen coins will ever be recovered? I mean, it doesn't seem impossible with companies devoted to blockchain analysis.
Does anyone know of any examples of large Bitcoin thefts where the perpetrators were caught in the end? 
If I were to bet on it, I would say they will be recovered. The exact addresses of where the coins are "sitting" are very well known, and are well publicized. I would doubt that any exchange would hesitate to freeze the account of anyone who receives any of the stolen coins. If a mixer were to receive any of the stolen coins, they would probably not "mix" the stolen coins because their customers would be unable to use those coins on an exchange. So, the hacker's only likely choice would be to deal with bitfinex to try to negotiate the return of some of the stolen coins.

I am not aware of any large thefts/hacks in which the thieves ended up getting caught, although I think this is different because of the above.

As of block 450293 872.89153671BTC has moved, and according to the OP of the above reddit thread they have been sent to various exchanges (possibly to see how they will react to receiving deposits of these stolen coins).

Seems to be a fraction of the whole booties. I would announce doubts about the exchanges reacting in a way that is satisfying for the thieves, which will just drain that flow again. Evading further observations. This time they just got caught, next times not.
I am not quite sure what you are trying to say.

Was there ever a scenario that hacked and stolen BTC from exchanges that amounted in the millions were returned? I dont believe Ive ever read something like it in the news. All stolen BTC were forever lost. Its something the whole community have been enduring for a long time.

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January 28, 2017, 11:47:54 AM
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I seriously wonder if these stolen coins will ever be recovered? I mean, it doesn't seem impossible with companies devoted to blockchain analysis.
Does anyone know of any examples of large Bitcoin thefts where the perpetrators were caught in the end? 

They can't be recovered, is just like asking the DAO hacker to refund the stolen tokens or the Shapeshift hack, this is one of the minus in the space, I just hope in future there will be a solution to theft of this huge nature


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January 28, 2017, 11:56:45 AM
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This is interesting with the published address there's a high level certainty that the coins shall be returned by the exchanges though I can't remember when was the last time something like this ever happened. I read there a 5% reward per coin, which raises a suspension in my mind, what if the exchanges are involved in it. The guy who stole it could have a pact with them right, so both would profit as the risk of being caught would reduce, or I am thinking wrong?
If you think logically, then there is no point for the hacker to return whatever number of coins to Bitfinex.

It's clear that if you cause so much damage to an exchange, that you as hacker don't have any moral problems with keeping these coins even though you know that innocent people have been suffering.

If these coins do get returned, which I can't see happening, then it's an ultra foolish hacker. Another possibility is that it was an insider job where the people behind this attack are trying to slowly return a small portion of these coins.
What might be happen is the hackers will keep it (85%) in my opinion. There are 3 speculation right?
- hackers give it back and rewarded 5% (but others may think, "it's a conspiracy between them, inside job)
- hackers won't give it back and try to mix it or hold for years.
- bitfinex somehow could fine them and make the hackers going intoo the jail.
Let's wait and see what will happen in the future between bitfinex and the hackers.


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January 28, 2017, 02:20:21 PM
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I still fully think that Bitfinex are the ones that stole those coins, I really HOPE they aren't but my gut says that this is all them.

I guess they're trying to get their name out a bit right now.

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January 28, 2017, 02:29:22 PM
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Maybe they would let the coins in, tag the accounts and try to get the identity of the thieves, seems to be the only way to get them

By the way, why did they waited so long to move the coins somewhere, if was before people discovered what was going on, they could mix and use exchanges to mix some significant part of the coins, and have a good profit

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January 28, 2017, 03:06:30 PM
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I still fully think that Bitfinex are the ones that stole those coins, I really HOPE they aren't but my gut says that this is all them.

I guess they're trying to get their name out a bit right now.

Maybe they are trying to clean their name a bit for purposes of boosting their trading volumes. I would seriously like to say that they should just avoid the damned platform and move other legit ones that have a clean record. There are plenty of other services to choose from.


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I doubt these exchanges will freeze the coins. The problem is that they will earn profit on any trades made by the hacker, and it is none of their business; they do not have to enforce the law. The main reason I think they will ignore the coins is because Bitfinex is their competitor. Giving them back their coins would be helping Bitfinex get back up on its feet. The worse Bitfinex does, the better the other exchanges do.

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It's clear that if you cause so much damage to an exchange, that you as hacker don't have any moral problems with keeping these coins even though you know that innocent people have been suffering.
What are they going to do with their coins if they keep them? As of now, they are unable to exchange them for fiat, and are unable to use them to buy anything of any meaningful amount.

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I sincerely hope stolen coins get frozen. Crypto scum should never be allowed to profit from their crime. It undermines trust into the community and gives them ideas to repeat the whole process.

If someone is capable of freezing them. Traced deposits ending up inside some exchanger, yes for sure that is possible if the community keeps on beeing observant. But Bitcoinmixed BTCs?
Currencies with builtin anonymity will cause additional havoc. The cat is out of the bag, BTCs can be "washed" in several ways today so maybe it does not matter anymore.

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Well, sooner or later those stolen bitcoins had to be appeared. I just wander how you could find out that were exactly those Bitfinex's bitcoins? They were not marked as I know.
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There are many exchanges willing to accept and or convert bitcoins to altcoins, they can sell to unsuspected people around the world.
If we really want to trap them then the only possible solution would be for miners to somehow refuse including them in blocks.
But that is unlikely the case of success, therefor once again not bitcoin's problem of safety but rather neglected exchange admins.

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