Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades

[greenplastic]

Zepher is legit.

Case closed. Seriously.

Good night.

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[gorgon666]

The entire group of friends that Lauda is in is very shady.

Zepher does not exactly have a clean record because he was obviously involved in extorting someone, and admitted to doing this.

[Lauda]

The entire group of friends that Lauda is in is very shady.

'Half' of the forum is now "very shady"?

Zepher does not exactly have a clean record because he was obviously involved in extorting someone, and admitted to doing this.

Zepher has a very clean record. They were not involved in that sting operation in the way that you've trying to imply. Continuing to falsely accuse people of wrongdoing is not going to do you any favors.

And you've made it into the top 10 least trusted users.  Well done.  

I think that pretty much everyone (*) is tired of their harassment, lies and whatnot. The post above me proves my point.

[gorgon666]

The entire group of friends that Lauda is in is very shady.

'Half' of the forum is now "very shady"?

You sure do have a big ego. Half of the forum is not your friend though. There appears to be many people that are afraid of you and are afraid to speak out against you...

Zepher does not exactly have a clean record because he was obviously involved in extorting someone, and admitted to doing this.

Zepher has a very clean record. They were not involved in that sting operation in the way that you've trying to imply. Continuing to falsely accuse people of wrongdoing is not going to do you any favors.

He very clearly admitted to being a part of the investigation, and to have advance knowledge of your criminal extortion, and he attempted to cover for you.

If zepher is so "innocent" then maybe you should publish the IRC logs?

[Lauda]

You sure do have a big ego. Half of the forum is not your friend though.

It has nothing to do with ego, but the current situation with farmed accounts and alts. The latter is something that you'd know about.

There appears to be many people that are afraid of you and are afraid to speak out against you...

There is no reason to be afraid of someone who is benevolent.

He very clearly admitted to being a part of the investigation, and to have advance knowledge of your criminal extortion, and he attempted to cover for you.

The statement only confirms that they saw the evidence and the PGP message, nothing else. Therefore, that case has no relevance to this one.

If zepher is so "innocent" then maybe you should publish the IRC logs?

Do you also want me to publish my telephone calls as well? How about a full list of my private emails? There are no IRC logs as there is no IRC channel.

[gorgon666]

You sure do have a big ego. Half of the forum is not your friend though.

It has nothing to do with ego, but the current situation with farmed accounts and alts. The latter is something that you'd know about.

I have no idea why you would say that.

There appears to be many people that are afraid of you and are afraid to speak out against you...

There is no reason to be afraid of someone who is benevolent.

Ha. You are very clearly power hungry and would make every effort to increase your power/influence.

He very clearly admitted to being a part of the investigation, and to have advance knowledge of your criminal extortion, and he attempted to cover for you.

The statement only confirms that they saw the evidence and the PGP message, nothing else. Therefore, that case has no relevance to this one.

He said that he knew about the extortion ahead of time. He made said statement with the clear intent of trying to cover for you and for people to overlook the fact that you had just criminally extorted someone.

You do not just show a whole bunch of people evidence, and tell them you are about to extort someone out of the blue. He Zepher was clearly a part of your criminal attempt to forcibly take money from someone that did not belong to you.

If zepher is so "innocent" then maybe you should publish the IRC logs?

Do you also want me to publish my telephone calls as well? How about a full list of my private emails? There are no IRC logs as there is no IRC channel.

You don't routinely "chat" in #cc-collectors? Is that room not how so many people were able to comment that they were aware of your criminal extortion attempt ahead of time within such a short window? I used to loiter in that room frequently before it was closed off to the public.

It is statements like this that show just how honest you are, and how much of a liar you are....

[Lauda]

Ha. You are very clearly power hungry and would make every effort to increase your power/influence.

I have no idea why you would say that.

He Zepher was clearly a part of your criminal attempt to forcibly take money from someone that did not belong to you.

No matter how you twist the situation, factually they were not a part of it therefore any accusations would be defamation.

You don't routinely "chat" in #cc-collectors?
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It is statements like this that show just how honest you are, and how much of a liar you are....

The channel is empty/dead:

[shorena]

Just to get this out of the way. The additional (4th) rating by Zepher does not change how TMAN is seen, the rating by monkeynuts does.

If Zepher and QS consider me trusted enough for it, I will look at evidence of a trade, under the condition that this will end this topic. If the above "evidence must be public" still applies Im not going to waste my time on this for nothing.

[Zepher]

Just to get this out of the way. The additional (4th) rating by Zepher does not change how TMAN is seen, the rating by monkeynuts does.

This is what I think QS was implying anyway when he created this thread, that I was trying to change TMAN's trust score (effectively voiding yours) leaving him that positive rating.

As we both know, this would never have worked anyway, as I have already rated TMAN in the past. Seems QS doesn't know how the trust system works.

If Zepher and QS consider me trusted enough for it, I will look at evidence of a trade, under the condition that this will end this topic. If the above "evidence must be public" still applies Im not going to waste my time on this for nothing.

I consider you trusted enough and would have absolutely zero problem sending you evidence of this trade if there was a legitimate reason to do so.

But this goes back to my initial response. Why should I? It is none of QS business, nor is it yours (no offense intended by the way). I should not have to prove anything, as it doesn't concern any of you. I have already proven the trade to Rmcdermott927 by the way.


I am done responding here (again). I only replied because you did, Shorena. If you wish to discuss this further, please PM me, but this is wasting both of our time.

Thanks


Missed this....

Update: based on the response I got from zepher, I now believe that he is engaging in leaving trust for fake trades that did not occur.

You and your army of alt accounts can believe all you want, I really couldn't give a shit. I am not sure you are going to find other people who will agree with you on your theory that I am engaging in and leaving trust for "fake trades".

As far as I am concerned, this thread is done. Laters!! 

[killyou73]

If someone else posted a thread like this, and was just requesting proof of the trade would it have gotten backlash like this?

I thought that is was fishy that Zepher got positive trust right after his negative one, but Lauda points how a few great points that the trade could have happened in the past... Because if memory serves me right, didn't Zepher buy or sell a 10 BTC Cas coin and fly the coin to meet the buyer/seller? I do not see that on his trust...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This is not any of QS's business.  No one here owes him any sort of proof of trade in which he played no part.  If you recall, he said he never voluntarily disclosed any of his alts because it's none of anyone else's business.  That's being hypocritical, but it doesn't surprise me a bit.

[killyou73]

This is not any of QS's business.  No one here owes him any sort of proof of trade in which he played no part.  If you recall, he said he never voluntarily disclosed any of his alts because it's none of anyone else's business.  That's being hypocritical, but it doesn't surprise me a bit.

You are comparing apples to oranges here.

Because if these trades are fake or fabricated than it would be abusing the trust system. But I believe there are probably (maybe all together) dozens of trades that Zepher and TMAN have done that are not specifically listed on their trust pages. QS not disclosing his alts is not abusing the trust system. However, wouldn't all of QS's alts have to less activity than his current account? Or is QS buying older accounts and doing what with them??!

[gorgon666]

You don't routinely "chat" in #cc-collectors?
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It is statements like this that show just how honest you are, and how much of a liar you are....

The channel is empty/dead:

My mistake, the channel is actually #cryptocurrency-collectors

Your response is just another example of your dishonesty and your tendency to troll others who you view as weaker and vulnerable to you.

This channel was closed last year, but you and your friends use another slack group to plan your criminal activities.

I think killyou73 hit it right on the money:

Because if these trades are fake or fabricated than it would be abusing the trust system.

The timing of the trust given by zepher is highly suspect. It looks like zepher is in fact unwilling to show proof to shorena, someone he admits to be "trusted enough" to see proof of the transaction, as he added the caveat that shorena will need a legitimate reason to ask for it.  http://archive.is/TWd6x#selection-4405.105-4405.145

Zepher asks why he should send proof of a trade, and the answer is simple -- because someone is calling him out on giving trust for a fake trade.

[Zepher]

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Thanks

[shorena]

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Thanks

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This is shorena from bitcointalk.org and today is Februar 6th of 2017.
I have received the above encrypted message from Zepher which shows reasonable
evidence of a trade by moved funds.
As requested within the message I have removed all local copies[1].

[1] The files have been overwritten 3 times with random data before I deleted
them, see output below. The system uses an SSD, so there is a slight
chance the data can be recovered regardless. Considering what I use this
machine for I have personal interest to avoid this from happening. The file
from today is this message.

?:~/?/PGP/Zepher$ ls -all
insgesamt 20
drwxr-xr-x  2 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:52 .
drwx------ 29 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:46 ..
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho 2640 Feb  6 10:46 zepher.2017.02.05
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho  981 Feb  6 10:46 zepher.2017.02.05.2
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho  240 Feb  6 10:52 zepher.2017.02.06

?:~/?/PGP/Zepher$ shred -vzn 3 zepher.2017.02.05*
shred: zepher.2017.02.05: Durchgang 1/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05: Durchgang 2/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05: Durchgang 3/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05: Durchgang 4/4 (000000)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05.2: Durchgang 1/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05.2: Durchgang 2/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05.2: Durchgang 3/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05.2: Durchgang 4/4 (000000)...

?:~/?/PGP/Zepher$ ls -all
insgesamt 20
drwxr-xr-x  2 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:52 .
drwx------ 29 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:46 ..
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:54 zepher.2017.02.05
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:54 zepher.2017.02.05.2
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho  240 Feb  6 10:52 zepher.2017.02.06

?:~/?/PGP/Zepher$ hexdump -C zepher.2017.02.05
00000000  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
*
00001000

?:~/?/PGP/Zepher$ hexdump -C zepher.2017.02.05.2 
00000000  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
*
00001000

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I hope this settles it.

[Quickseller]

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=+1i7
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

The above information is signed with the PGP Key on my profile, and only Shorena can decrypt it.

Thanks

Code:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

This is shorena from bitcointalk.org and today is Februar 6th of 2017.
I have received the above encrypted message from Zepher which shows reasonable
evidence of a trade by moved funds.
As requested within the message I have removed all local copies[1].

[1] The files have been overwritten 3 times with random data before I deleted
them, see output below. The system uses an SSD, so there is a slight
chance the data can be recovered regardless. Considering what I use this
machine for I have personal interest to avoid this from happening. The file
from today is this message.

?:~/?/PGP/Zepher$ ls -all
insgesamt 20
drwxr-xr-x  2 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:52 .
drwx------ 29 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:46 ..
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho 2640 Feb  6 10:46 zepher.2017.02.05
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho  981 Feb  6 10:46 zepher.2017.02.05.2
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho  240 Feb  6 10:52 zepher.2017.02.06

?:~/?/PGP/Zepher$ shred -vzn 3 zepher.2017.02.05*
shred: zepher.2017.02.05: Durchgang 1/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05: Durchgang 2/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05: Durchgang 3/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05: Durchgang 4/4 (000000)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05.2: Durchgang 1/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05.2: Durchgang 2/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05.2: Durchgang 3/4 (random)...
shred: zepher.2017.02.05.2: Durchgang 4/4 (000000)...

?:~/?/PGP/Zepher$ ls -all
insgesamt 20
drwxr-xr-x  2 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:52 .
drwx------ 29 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:46 ..
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:54 zepher.2017.02.05
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho 4096 Feb  6 10:54 zepher.2017.02.05.2
- -rw-r--r--  1 sho sho  240 Feb  6 10:52 zepher.2017.02.06

?:~/?/PGP/Zepher$ hexdump -C zepher.2017.02.05
00000000  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
*
00001000

?:~/?/PGP/Zepher$ hexdump -C zepher.2017.02.05.2 
00000000  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
*
00001000

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2

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-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

I hope this settles it.

Reasonable evidence that zepher was the sender of said transaction? That a third party was the receipant of said transaction? Is the timeframe of the transaction at or near the time the rating was left?

[Quickseller]

Since this thread is partially about TMAN, I guess it is appropriate to post this here....

In this thread, TMAN wanted to buy up all of a coin that was offered for sale, then he proceeded to what can only be described as trolling, and eventually backed out of the entire deal ~a day later when nothing really changed.

Just sayin.....

[Rmcdermott927]

Reasonable evidence that zepher was the sender of said transaction? That a third party was the receipant of said transaction? Is the timeframe of the transaction at or near the time the rating was left?

I told you that it was when I verified it, considering I'm sure me and shorena saw the same receipt and txid, stop beating a dead horse. 

In this thread, TMAN wanted to buy up all of a coin that was offered for sale, then he proceeded to what can only be described as trolling, and eventually backed out of the entire deal ~a day later when nothing really changed

He was trolling, so what.   That's what you are doing now in this thread   You are arguing a point when there is very clear evidence you are wrong and have been for quite a few days. 

T man literally purchases more stuff from me than anyone else on the forum.   He purchased over a dozen silver bars from me, kialaras, etc.   

[Seattle420]

I think that Zepher might be breaking the law. I got this PM from him:

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!
Hi,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1786017.0

If I buy your BTCC coins for 4.425 BTC then will I need to pay any customs/import taxes/duties?

How quick will UPS ship to Seattle, WA?

Thank you,
Richard

Hey there,

I ship these as "Titanium Coins" or "Collectible Coins" or "Novelty Tokens" (you get the point!) with a value of $25 each. There is no mention of the word "Bitcoin". I must have shipped 100 packages containing loaded coins, and not one has ever been stopped. You won't have an issue.

So, to answer your questions, no, you won't have anything extra to pay apart from the 4.425 BTC as I don't declare Bitcoin value.

I will ship these on Monday via UPS Express 48hr, so you will have these by end of day on Wednesday. I'll actually pay that bit extra to guarantee delivery by 10:30am on Wednesday morning. So, you'll have these pretty quick

Check my feedback so you know you are dealing with a serious collector and trader, and someone who has competency in what they do. I am also part of the Default Trust (DT) on the forum under Blazed.

Hope that answers everything (and more haha).

Kind Regards,

B

I think he might be lying to me because he posted this thread :/

I don't want to get in trouble for any kind of tax evasion or anything like that.

[minifrij]

I think he might be lying to me because he posted this thread :/

Reshipping items != selling items that you own. You're comparing two different things.

I don't want to get in trouble for any kind of tax evasion or anything like that.

If you're worried that you might be in trouble then ask him to declare the full value of the package. However, of you do this you should also expect hundreds of dollars in fees. The $25 "novelty token" is something that most collectors use to try and minimise shipping fees when sending coins.