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September 25, 2014, 01:54:40 PM
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Add a field in the OP chart to show whether there are funds Escrowed or not.
Also add a column for Escrow provider.
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September 25, 2014, 01:56:27 PM
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Signed up for pocket dice. I think they have the same rates as the primedice campaign.

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September 25, 2014, 01:57:18 PM
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Signed up for pocket dice. I think they have the same rates as the primedice campaign.

Yes , but we are still wait to an escrow Wink .


Ps: and please stop (to) post only for boost your counter Tongue
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September 25, 2014, 02:15:27 PM
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Their payouts are automated so I don't think they can escrow? From their website it seems like they payout automatically from the website, although I would really like an escrow.

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September 25, 2014, 02:28:05 PM
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Add a field in the OP chart to show whether there are funds Escrowed or not.
Also add a column for Escrow provider.

Nice idea, OP should add this field, especially for new or PYNC campaign.

Their payouts are automated so I don't think they can escrow? From their website it seems like they payout automatically from the website, although I would really like an escrow.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the feedback, guys.
Fixed the trust definition, thanks for that in particular.
As for the escrow, we're researching this issue.
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September 25, 2014, 02:31:07 PM
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Pocket Dice has contacted me with questions about escrow, how it works, etc. I answered their questions, but haven't gotten a reply back yet.

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September 25, 2014, 02:36:33 PM
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Pocket Dice has contacted me with questions about escrow, how it works, etc. I answered their questions, but haven't gotten a reply back yet.

.... And this @Pocket Dice


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=795236.msg8967356#msg8967356


 Can we have a reply ? Thanks .

Hey, redsn0w
As for the dice symbols, we suppose, we'll all just have to deal with it. If you have any specific suggestions, please, feel free to tell us.

As for the escrow, we've decided to skip this for now. If you don't believe us, just way for the first payouts. Though, you risk to miss the campaign at all, since we're planning to limit the max amount of participants.

And for the rest of you guys:
You don't have to "check in" here, that you've signed up. The system is semiautomatic. It checks your post count at the time you signed up, then you get approved manually. The counter is updated once in half an hour starting from the moment you've got approved, but we DO count posts starting from the moment you sign up.
Hope that makes things clear.

BR,
The PocketDice Team

They just posted that they are not escrowing funds for now.
Since its semi automated I'm taking that risk.
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September 25, 2014, 05:10:57 PM
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Kinda 50/50 on the whole not using escrow thing. I think this community should refuse to partake in a campaign until they can prove that they'll pay out, but a week isn't too long to wait and it's obvious many people are desperate to jump on a campaign right now as there's not really any others available.

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September 25, 2014, 05:13:07 PM
 #1549

Kinda 50/50 on the whole not using escrow thing. I think this community should refuse to partake in a campaign until they can prove that they'll pay out, but a week isn't too long to wait and it's obvious many people are desperate to jump on a campaign right now as there's not really any others available.


Yes but  Have you see how much users are enrolled ?  Grin  And he doesn't want to use an escrow.....
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September 25, 2014, 05:17:57 PM
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Kinda 50/50 on the whole not using escrow thing. I think this community should refuse to partake in a campaign until they can prove that they'll pay out, but a week isn't too long to wait and it's obvious many people are desperate to jump on a campaign right now as there's not really any others available.


Yes but  Have you see how much users are enrolled ?  Grin  And he doesn't want to use an escrow.....

No. How many? Is it stated anywhere? Can't see it in the op.

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September 25, 2014, 05:34:44 PM
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No. How many? Is it stated anywhere? Can't see it in the op.

I've seen many people with the signature. It's been quite some time since a campaign opened with rates like that so people are rushing to get a spot. But there is no public list as of yet. Although the could post one since they approve each participant manually. Posting the list would serve their own protection and make participants feel safer as well.



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September 25, 2014, 05:42:34 PM
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Kinda 50/50 on the whole not using escrow thing. I think this community should refuse to partake in a campaign until they can prove that they'll pay out, but a week isn't too long to wait and it's obvious many people are desperate to jump on a campaign right now as there's not really any others available.

Without an organised community nothing can be done.
And in a forum like this its very difficult or even not possible to do that.
But the forum staff's or moderators can easily implement a ban on non-escrowed signature campaigns like some of you are putting -ve ratings for suspicious activities.
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September 25, 2014, 05:58:38 PM
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Kinda 50/50 on the whole not using escrow thing. I think this community should refuse to partake in a campaign until they can prove that they'll pay out, but a week isn't too long to wait and it's obvious many people are desperate to jump on a campaign right now as there's not really any others available.

Without an organised community nothing can be done.
And in a forum like this its very difficult or even not possible to do that.
But the forum staff's or moderators can easily implement a ban on non-escrowed signature campaigns like some of you are putting -ve ratings for suspicious activities.

Staff don't moderate or remove scams or ban scammers so we certainly wont get involved with possible signature scams. I think more people would've called out for escrow had this not been the only open paying deal so they're taking the risk because of that. Still, some money as a bond could've been used to show good faith.

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September 25, 2014, 06:04:58 PM
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Kinda 50/50 on the whole not using escrow thing. I think this community should refuse to partake in a campaign until they can prove that they'll pay out, but a week isn't too long to wait and it's obvious many people are desperate to jump on a campaign right now as there's not really any others available.

Without an organised community nothing can be done.
And in a forum like this its very difficult or even not possible to do that.
But the forum staff's or moderators can easily implement a ban on non-escrowed signature campaigns like some of you are putting -ve ratings for suspicious activities.

Staff don't moderate or remove scams or ban scammers so we certainly wont get involved with possible signature scams. I think more people would've called out for escrow had this not been the only open paying deal so they're taking the risk because of that. Still, some money as a bond could've been used to show good faith.

Can't you guys control this anyway?
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September 25, 2014, 06:10:47 PM
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Kinda 50/50 on the whole not using escrow thing. I think this community should refuse to partake in a campaign until they can prove that they'll pay out, but a week isn't too long to wait and it's obvious many people are desperate to jump on a campaign right now as there's not really any others available.

Without an organised community nothing can be done.
And in a forum like this its very difficult or even not possible to do that.
But the forum staff's or moderators can easily implement a ban on non-escrowed signature campaigns like some of you are putting -ve ratings for suspicious activities.

Staff don't moderate or remove scams or ban scammers so we certainly wont get involved with possible signature scams. I think more people would've called out for escrow had this not been the only open paying deal so they're taking the risk because of that. Still, some money as a bond could've been used to show good faith.

If u look back the history of Sig campaigns, U'll see they were monthly campaign in general. When some monthly campaign cheat us, we asked for escrow. Now, some escrows again started creating problem with the money they hold. Then came the weekly campaign to gain trust. A weekly campaign does not require an escrow, but as soon as they create problem with payment, we jeopardize their business on this forum. This has happened to PRCDice, CryptcoMiner et all... Weekly campaign without an escrow is actually a trade-off between trust and future growth. If they break our trust, we'll halt their growth... SIMPLE.

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September 25, 2014, 06:14:24 PM
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Can't you guys control this anyway?

What do you mean?



If u look back the history of Sig campaigns, U'll see they were monthly campaign in general. When some monthly campaign cheat us, we asked for escrow. Now, some escrows again started creating problem with the money they hold. Then came the weekly campaign to gain trust. A weekly campaign does not require an escrow, but as soon as they create problem with payment, we jeopardize their business on this forum. This has happened to PRCDice, CryptcoMiner et all... Weekly campaign without an escrow is actually a trade-off between trust and future growth. If they break our trust, we'll halt their growth... SIMPLE.

Yeah, sadly I think most weekly paying campaigns have started off good and paying out but then quickly turned sour. Some casinos will just be scams from the get go and disappear as soon as they've got enough money, others will want to be in it for the long run and gain trust and respectability over time.

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September 25, 2014, 06:17:13 PM
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Can't you guys control this anyway?

Why? If someone wants to take the risk - let them. If you start "controlling" things like that then where do you draw the line and who assumes the liability?

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September 25, 2014, 06:38:41 PM
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Generally, its not for those who are ready to get scammed by criminals.
The control, if possible, need to be from the forum management.
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September 25, 2014, 06:44:16 PM
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Generally, its not for those who are ready to get scammed by criminals.
The control, if possible, need to be from the forum management.


Sorry... No control is required from the management. If u r scared, DONT participate. BitcoinTalk has a standing rule of NO SCAM MODERATION, because whenever u give power to people, that gets abused. Better let the people use their sense, e.g. if u expected CryptcoMiner to continue more than a month, the problem is in your common sense, NOT forum moderation.

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September 25, 2014, 06:49:51 PM
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Generally, its not for those who are ready to get scammed by criminals.
The control, if possible, need to be from the forum management.


Can't really parse out what you're trying to say here but I find it ironic that you are wearing the Pocket Dice signature and at the same time advocating for "controlling" non-escrowed signature campaigns. You could easily control it yourself by not signing up for the campaign.

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