UFC 211: Miocic vs Dos Santos info and Prediction Thread

[notserp]

I think Junior Dos Santos is past his prime so is Fabricio Werdum, they have recieved too many hits to he head and need to retire. Miocic has improved a lot in the past years in his technique, his genetics make him a total beast, he will be a thought match an I think he will win JDS and continue reining the division with an Overeem that is also past his prime and definitely can't fight without steroids at top level.

The heavy weight division is filled with people who are really old,the average age is above 35 years and in the future if they could not find any real talents then it will be a boring division and that will be the case with light heavy weight division too as some of the top fighters have moved on to Bellator and with the retirement of Anthony Johnson the division has become shallow.

I think Stefan "Skyscraper" Struve can become a dominant force in the heavyweight UFC division. He has insane height, reach, and power, he needs to put work in his technique to use physical superiority over the rest, otherwise he will be a useless lanky easy target.

the only good prospect at HW is Francis Ngannou prob will be champ soon


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Stipe Miocic
Joanna Jędrzejczyk          
Demian Maia          
Yair Rodríguez            
Henry Cejudo
Eddie Alvarez  

Francis Ngannou is a solid competitor but he hasn't shown yet enough to become a champion imo, but yeah, considering Daniel Cormier will ignore anyone that isn't Jon Bones Jones at this point since he has beaten everyone else, Francis has no shot against the best HW fighters. The best fight I can see in his portfolio is beating an out of prime Arlovski.

you prob havent even seen one of Ngannous fights and you think struve can be a dominate force then you go on talking about the LHW divison lol i like struve but he had his chances and you prob dont even watch mma just here to get some post in

[Kemarit]

Miocic vs Dos Santos for me is a good fight and it can go either way. Maybe Junior Dos Santos has been in so many fights, but I still believed he still have some in this tank. Although Miocic has improved a lot, Junior Dos Santos I believed some something to proved that he still got it. My bet JDS.

I'm also eager to watch  Frankie Edgar vs. Yair Rodriguez. Yair is one of  the rising star in the UFC but I think I have to go with Frankie Edgar here. Frankie is still a legend for me and I love watching his in and out movement. This fight will end in a decision, but this time it is Frankie's hand who is gonna be raised. My bet Frankie Edgar.

[Hydrogen]

I'm also eager to watch  Frankie Edgar vs. Yair Rodriguez.

I'm excited to see that one as well.

I think Yair could pull an upset. A lot of younger names are defeating the older more established fighters in the UFC.

If Frankie Edgar can't get the fight to the ground, I think Yair will beat him.

[fudster]

Masvidal must wiin this fight over Maia. Betting on direcbet

[bbc.reporter]

Miocic vs Dos Santos for me is a good fight and it can go either way. Maybe Junior Dos Santos has been in so many fights, but I still believed he still have some in this tank. Although Miocic has improved a lot, Junior Dos Santos I believed some something to proved that he still got it. My bet JDS.

I'm also eager to watch  Frankie Edgar vs. Yair Rodriguez. Yair is one of  the rising star in the UFC but I think I have to go with Frankie Edgar here. Frankie is still a legend for me and I love watching his in and out movement. This fight will end in a decision, but this time it is Frankie's hand who is gonna be raised. My bet Frankie Edgar.

Would you make a bet for JDS at these present odds given? They look very low now especially if you saw how high they were when the betting opened.

[pereira4]

Miocic vs Dos Santos for me is a good fight and it can go either way. Maybe Junior Dos Santos has been in so many fights, but I still believed he still have some in this tank. Although Miocic has improved a lot, Junior Dos Santos I believed some something to proved that he still got it. My bet JDS.

I'm also eager to watch  Frankie Edgar vs. Yair Rodriguez. Yair is one of  the rising star in the UFC but I think I have to go with Frankie Edgar here. Frankie is still a legend for me and I love watching his in and out movement. This fight will end in a decision, but this time it is Frankie's hand who is gonna be raised. My bet Frankie Edgar.

Would you make a bet for JDS at these present odds given? They look very low now especially if you saw how high they were when the betting opened.

Im pretty sure that Junior Dos Santos is going to lose, so im not going to spend any money on this bet, you must say "buy why, go with Miocic". Well, even if in my opinion this is an easy win for Miocic, im not going to risk it, JDS got too much experience, he may be out of shape and out of his prime but he is thought and may get a lucky night and defeat Miocic.

[bbc.reporter]

@pereira4. I am thinking the same thing. The odds on Stipe Miocic are now looking good compared to the odds last month. Maybe bettors are looking too much on JDS' win versus Stipe in the 1st fight. Stipe has improved and has become champion since that loss.

[Hydrogen]

Is anyone tuning in to watch Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko?

I haven't watched boxing in a long time. Who do people see as winning that fight?

Wladimir is a decent underdog, possibly due to him not doing well against Tyson Fury.

I've never heard of Anthony Joshua or seen him fight before today.

[bbc.reporter]

@Hydrogen. Boxing is dead. The sport has already made it past the silver age and the golden age and has already been declining since the early 2000s. After the days of fighters like Pretty Boy Floyd or Manny Pacquiao I do not know any charismatic boxer anymore.

[Kemarit]

Is anyone tuning in to watch Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko?

I haven't watched boxing in a long time. Who do people see as winning that fight?

Wladimir is a decent underdog, possibly due to him not doing well against Tyson Fury.

I've never heard of Anthony Joshua or seen him fight before today.

Didn't mean to hijacked this thread but damn, Anthony Joshua get off the floor, score three knockdowns of his own, then stop Wladimir Klitschko  in the eleventh round. I think Wladimir Klitschko is done now. Lost to Tyson Fury in 2015 and now to the younger Anthony Joshua. I know they used to be sparring partner before, but now Joshua proved he is the King now. Their is a rematch clause though, so let us see what would be Wladimir's next move, though he should retire and let Fury vs Joshua fought and continue the legacy of the Heavyweight division.

[pereira4]

@Hydrogen. Boxing is dead. The sport has already made it past the silver age and the golden age and has already been declining since the early 2000s. After the days of fighters like Pretty Boy Floyd or Manny Pacquiao I do not know any charismatic boxer anymore.

You should have watched the fight. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua revived the good times of heavyweight boxing that night. It was a more exciting fight than most of the boring UFC fights i've seen lately. Haters have been claiming boxing is dead for a long time just like they claim BTC is dead, but it's always there and always comes back.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

I'm also eager to watch  Frankie Edgar vs. Yair Rodriguez.

I'm excited to see that one as well.
I think Yair could pull an upset. A lot of younger names are defeating the older more established fighters in the UFC.
If Frankie Edgar can't get the fight to the ground, I think Yair will beat him.

Yair Rodríguez is a up coming talent and his fight against Frankie Edgar will determine whether he is ready for the title as it is not that easy to defeat the future hall of fame fighter and it is not that easy to defeat him even on the feet.I really think that his experience in the fight game will give an advantage to Frankie Edgar and if Yair could defeat Frankie then he will be having his title shot next.

[Mbokani]

@Hydrogen. Boxing is dead. The sport has already made it past the silver age and the golden age and has already been declining since the early 2000s. After the days of fighters like Pretty Boy Floyd or Manny Pacquiao I do not know any charismatic boxer anymore.

You should have watched the fight. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua revived the good times of heavyweight boxing that night. It was a more exciting fight than most of the boring UFC fights i've seen lately. Haters have been claiming boxing is dead for a long time just like they claim BTC is dead, but it's always there and always comes back.

I do accept the fact that the fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Joshua was a classic one and it was a break out performance from Joshua as this fight elevated him to super stardom and it is true that we are not seeing some interesting matches in the boxing scene, being a boxing fan it is always great to see good fights and we would like to see some good fights,UFC is becoming a spectacle now a days as people are fighting for the belt right away after a long break of four years and so on,it will undermine the legitimacy of the entire structure.

[bbc.reporter]

I'm also eager to watch  Frankie Edgar vs. Yair Rodriguez.

I'm excited to see that one as well.
I think Yair could pull an upset. A lot of younger names are defeating the older more established fighters in the UFC.
If Frankie Edgar can't get the fight to the ground, I think Yair will beat him.

Yair Rodríguez is a up coming talent and his fight against Frankie Edgar will determine whether he is ready for the title as it is not that easy to defeat the future hall of fame fighter and it is not that easy to defeat him even on the feet.I really think that his experience in the fight game will give an advantage to Frankie Edgar and if Yair could defeat Frankie then he will be having his title shot next.

If you look at Frankie Edgar's fighting history, he has lost 2 times versus Benson Henderson who is a practitioner of Taekwondo. Yair Rodriguez is also a practioner of Taekwondo so maybe he already has the platform that plays on Frankie's weaknesses.

Also it would be too early for Yair to get a championship fight if he wins versus Frankie Edgar.

[tokeweed]

Miocic's line has improved from when it first opened.  It's at 1.73 now and was even at 1.77 at one point.  My bet is on him at these odds.  His first bout vs Dos Santos was a loss, yes.  But what you all seem to have forgotten is it was a very close match.  I don't think Dos Santos' chin can take Miocic's punches this time.

Anyway, here's an extended preview of the event to get you excited. 

UFC 211: Miocic vs Dos Santos 2 - Extended Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oncdtbJCrBg

[pereira4]

@Hydrogen. Boxing is dead. The sport has already made it past the silver age and the golden age and has already been declining since the early 2000s. After the days of fighters like Pretty Boy Floyd or Manny Pacquiao I do not know any charismatic boxer anymore.

You should have watched the fight. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua revived the good times of heavyweight boxing that night. It was a more exciting fight than most of the boring UFC fights i've seen lately. Haters have been claiming boxing is dead for a long time just like they claim BTC is dead, but it's always there and always comes back.

I do accept the fact that the fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Joshua was a classic one and it was a break out performance from Joshua as this fight elevated him to super stardom and it is true that we are not seeing some interesting matches in the boxing scene, being a boxing fan it is always great to see good fights and we would like to see some good fights,UFC is becoming a spectacle now a days as people are fighting for the belt right away after a long break of four years and so on,it will undermine the legitimacy of the entire structure.

Just look at what happened at the Ronda Rousey fight, she came back after her defeat with Holm, then got destroye again for the title fight. It was ridiculous and a shitshow. Indeed those fights make the UFC feel like WWE. But at least they give us the fights that people want to see. The HW boxing division has been a mess for the past few years, we didn't got the fights we wanted, and Klitschko brothers were too dominant anyway. It was not until we got other skilled fighters with a good reach that we started seeing better fights. They just had too much advantage due their height + skill.

[pyata4ok]

@Hydrogen. Boxing is dead. The sport has already made it past the silver age and the golden age and has already been declining since the early 2000s. After the days of fighters like Pretty Boy Floyd or Manny Pacquiao I do not know any charismatic boxer anymore.

You should have watched the fight. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua revived the good times of heavyweight boxing that night. It was a more exciting fight than most of the boring UFC fights i've seen lately. Haters have been claiming boxing is dead for a long time just like they claim BTC is dead, but it's always there and always comes back.

I do accept the fact that the fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Joshua was a classic one and it was a break out performance from Joshua as this fight elevated him to super stardom and it is true that we are not seeing some interesting matches in the boxing scene, being a boxing fan it is always great to see good fights and we would like to see some good fights,UFC is becoming a spectacle now a days as people are fighting for the belt right away after a long break of four years and so on,it will undermine the legitimacy of the entire structure.

Just look at what happened at the Ronda Rousey fight, she came back after her defeat with Holm, then got destroye again for the title fight. It was ridiculous and a shitshow. Indeed those fights make the UFC feel like WWE. But at least they give us the fights that people want to see. The HW boxing division has been a mess for the past few years, we didn't got the fights we wanted, and Klitschko brothers were too dominant anyway. It was not until we got other skilled fighters with a good reach that we started seeing better fights. They just had too much advantage due their height + skill.

You need to make corrections for the fact that the nicknames already have a fairly large age for boxing activities. The fact is that even strong boxers retire with age, and young boxers come talented, strong.

[Pattberry]

Just look at what happened at the Ronda Rousey fight, she came back after her defeat with Holm, then got destroye again for the title fight. It was ridiculous and a shitshow. Indeed those fights make the UFC feel like WWE. But at least they give us the fights that people want to see. The HW boxing division has been a mess for the past few years, we didn't got the fights we wanted, and Klitschko brothers were too dominant anyway. It was not until we got other skilled fighters with a good reach that we started seeing better fights. They just had too much advantage due their height + skill.

Let us not compare Ronda Rousey against the Klitschko brothers,look at the age of Wladimir Klitschko he is 41 years of age and a lot of boxing under his belt and if this fight was five years back i am sure the result would be different.Getting punched in the face for this long is not a good thing and reflex will deter with age,Klitschko brothers dominated world boxing and they defeated everyone in their prime and let us see how Anthony Joshua will perform after 40 plus fights.

[Young_Croatian]

Miocic is in better form, and he will beat dos Santos with  KO 

[tokeweed]

Miocic is in better form, and he will beat dos Santos with  KO 

This is what I'm thinking.  The problem now is what to bet on.  The under 1.5 rounds at 2.41 on Nitrogen?  I don't think it's giving us enough value to make the bet worth it.  I'd start putting some BTC on that starting at 3.00 and above.

I wonder what the other bookies are laying on the over/under.  Any suggestions?  Looking for bets on under 2.5 rounds and 3.5 rounds for Miocic vs Dos Santos with decent odds.