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Question: Sept. 21 Closing Price:
$0 - 3 (2.9%)
<$8,000 - 5 (4.9%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 1 (1%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 2 (1.9%)
$9,000-$9,500 - 5 (4.9%)
$9,500-$10,000 - 6 (5.8%)
$10,000-$10,500 - 22 (21.4%)
$10,500-$11,000 - 20 (19.4%)
$11,000-$11,500 - 19 (18.4%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 6 (5.8%)
>$12,000 - 8 (7.8%)
>$20,000 - 6 (5.8%)
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May 28, 2013, 05:49:23 PM
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They can throttle/block bittorrent, why can't they do the same with bitcoin?
That is  not problem too. Bitcoin client then will learn to encrypt own traffic...

Or we will just connect through Tor. There's no technical way to effectively stop Bitcoin (or Bittorrent, BTW).

I would love so much to see the US banning BTC because of "terrorist links", and to read a last post by Coinseeker:

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This is my last post. Bitcoin is unpatriotic, and therefore I'm handling my private keys to the DHS.
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May 28, 2013, 05:49:32 PM
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They will make it hard to get money into and out of Bitcoin.  This will affect the value of Bitcoin but its not a fundamental threat.
I'm something missing? Is US only country on the earth? If they want to block it, no problem... It will be USA and US citizens problem, not Bitcoin itself.

The US has reach all over the world... All they gotta do is say they're doing it in the name of stopping terrorism and they can do just about anything. They don't even need proof (eg Iraq).
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May 28, 2013, 05:52:14 PM
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The US has reach all over the world... All they gotta do is say they're doing it in the name of stopping terrorism and they can do just about anything. They don't even need proof (eg Iraq).
Really? Let US say it about Russia or China for ex.
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May 28, 2013, 05:53:00 PM
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You can always use a VPN or route the connection through a TOR proxy. And there will be dozens of countries that won't have any problem with bitcoin, like Canada, Netherlands, Switzerland, northern countries and dozens more that have many more important things to regulate because they either have a very low adoption or they are don't care about it.

USA has a currency that does not defend itself well lately because they are destroying it themselves printing it massively and they are now in the need to defend it.

But they will have to defend the dollar AGAINST the insterests of all the other countries of the world that after a POST-POST-IIWW don't think Breton Woods or Nixon's plan to abandon the gold are fair anymore. We are on the XXI century. Inmediately after WWII, United States was the only real power. That is not so clear at the moment and there are many superpower wanna-be countries that want to remove the dollar as default world currency. Bitcoin could very well help them in their interests and not only them but also any other country where the financial system is not working properly.

As someone had in his signature: Bitcoin is a hedge against the actual financial system

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May 28, 2013, 05:55:21 PM
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Ya, and if bitcoin actually requires us to use TOR or a VPN, how would that benefit mass adoption? That would kill it entirely.
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May 28, 2013, 05:56:58 PM
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They don't have to stop Bitcoin.  All they have to do is publicly link it to terrorism and block the flow of money.  It will then be unpatriotic for any US business to even ACCEPT Bitcoins, let alone become a legal money transmitter.  Delusions, delusions...everywhere delusions.  Without the US, Bitcoin is DEAD!

You know it's people like you who make me wish the rest of the world would just drop all their nuclear bombs on the US and wipe it from the face of the earth. Bitcoin doesn't need you or the US, I hope they officially ban it today in your country and label it as terrorism so I don't have to deal with pompous US nationalist people like you ever again. Smiley
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May 28, 2013, 05:57:56 PM
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May 28, 2013, 05:59:33 PM
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They don't have to stop Bitcoin.  All they have to do is publicly link it to terrorism and block the flow of money.  It will then be unpatriotic for any US business to even ACCEPT Bitcoins, let alone become a legal money transmitter.  Delusions, delusions...everywhere delusions.  Without the US, Bitcoin is DEAD!

You know it's people like you who make me wish the rest of the world would just drop all their nuclear bombs on the US and wipe it from the face of the earth. Bitcoin doesn't need you or the US, I hope they officially ban it today in your country and label it as terrorism so I don't have to deal with pompous US nationalist people like you ever again. Smiley

I wish they'd ban it too actually.  We have Ripple coming so, what do I care.
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May 28, 2013, 06:00:27 PM
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You know it's people like you who make me wish the rest of the world would just drop all their nuclear bombs on the US and wipe it from the face of the earth.
Nice one....
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Ya, and if bitcoin actually requires us to use TOR or a VPN, how would that benefit mass adoption? That would kill it entirely.

You do not need mass adoption. Sure, to see the $300k per BTC predicted by rptard you need mass adoption. But I personally don't need to see $300k per BTC.

I'm happy with a system that gives me and the ones like me monetary freedom. A decentralized, trust-free system which allows me to store and transfer value independently from financial institutions. A system that no Government can kill, where my funds cannot be seized.

Yes, it sounds like "paradise" for black market. The truth is that it is, and what Coinseeker does not seem to understand is how fucking big is black market's economy. But it's also a paradise for those who want an hedge on the current, rotten financial system - as telemaco just said.

If you are worried about not seeing mass adoption and thus "cheaper" coins, do not worry. As you can see with drugs, everything that is banned and difficult/dangerous to get comes with a premium. Yet, I do not think there will ever be 6 figures coins in a global ban scenario - but 4 figures coins? You can take them for GRANTED.
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May 28, 2013, 06:05:00 PM
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Heads up chart buddy....



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May 28, 2013, 06:06:40 PM
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You know it's people like you who make me wish the rest of the world would just drop all their nuclear bombs on the US and wipe it from the face of the earth.
Nice one....

Indeed. I have to admit that sometimes I have the same feelings, but then I realize that it's absurd to punish normal people because they had the bad luck to be born in a certain country where mentally ill people like Coinseeker live.
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May 28, 2013, 06:07:39 PM
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Ya, and if bitcoin actually requires us to use TOR or a VPN, how would that benefit mass adoption? That would kill it entirely.

You do not need mass adoption. Sure, to see the $300k per BTC predicted by rptard you need mass adoption. But I personally don't need to see $300k per BTC.

I'm happy with a system that gives me and the ones like me monetary freedom. A decentralized, trust-free system which allows me to store and transfer value independently from financial institutions. A system that no Government can kill, where my funds cannot be seized.

Yes, it sounds like "paradise" for black market. The truth is that it is, and what Coinseeker does not seem to understand is how fucking big is black market's economy. But it's also a paradise for those who want an hedge on the current, rotten financial system - as telemaco just said.

If you are worried about not seeing mass adoption and thus "cheaper" coins, do not worry. As you can see with drugs, everything that is banned and difficult/dangerous to get comes with a premium. Yet, I do not think there will ever be 6 figures coins in a global ban scenario - but 4 figures coins? You can take it for GRANTED.

What I know is the US dollar is by far the most popular black market currency.  Again, maybe in bizzaro world, it's bitcoin but here on Earth, the US dollar is king.  Bitcoin...ummm....what's a Bitcoin?   Roll Eyes
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May 28, 2013, 06:08:25 PM
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They don't have to stop Bitcoin.  All they have to do is publicly link it to terrorism and block the flow of money.  It will then be unpatriotic for any US business to even ACCEPT Bitcoins, let alone become a legal money transmitter.  Delusions, delusions...everywhere delusions.  Without the US, Bitcoin is DEAD!

You know it's people like you who make me wish the rest of the world would just drop all their nuclear bombs on the US and wipe it from the face of the earth. Bitcoin doesn't need you or the US, I hope they officially ban it today in your country and label it as terrorism so I don't have to deal with pompous US nationalist people like you ever again. Smiley

please no hating on this thread,

 americans != american government

i think the US has made it pretty clear they will leave bitcoin itself alone, they will simply require strict records to be keep as to who is cashing in and out of bitcoin.
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May 28, 2013, 06:09:47 PM
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They don't have to stop Bitcoin.  All they have to do is publicly link it to terrorism and block the flow of money.  It will then be unpatriotic for any US business to even ACCEPT Bitcoins, let alone become a legal money transmitter.  Delusions, delusions...everywhere delusions.  Without the US, Bitcoin is DEAD!

You know it's people like you who make me wish the rest of the world would just drop all their nuclear bombs on the US and wipe it from the face of the earth. Bitcoin doesn't need you or the US, I hope they officially ban it today in your country and label it as terrorism so I don't have to deal with pompous US nationalist people like you ever again. Smiley

please no hating on this thread,

 americans != american government

i think the US has made it pretty clear they will leave bitcoin itself alone, they will simply require strict records to be keep as to who is cashing in and out of bitcoin.

You are absolutely right. Let's go back to the wall observing.
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May 28, 2013, 06:09:55 PM
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Ya, and if bitcoin actually requires us to use TOR or a VPN, how would that benefit mass adoption? That would kill it entirely.

You do not need mass adoption. Sure, to see the $300k per BTC predicted by rptard you need mass adoption. But I personally don't need to see $300k per BTC.

I'm happy with a system that gives me and the ones like me monetary freedom. A decentralized, trust-free system which allows me to store and transfer value independently from financial institutions. A system that no Government can kill, where my funds cannot be seized.

...snip...

This is exactly how I see it as well.  I don't really care what happens to the dollar and the euro and whatever.  I'm sure they will all outlive all of us.  But Bitcoin is a "free" as in "free speech" alternative and even if it has to be used over TOR, its evolution is one of the great developments of our lifetimes.

BTW, if the US did decide to ban Bitcoin, they would start by arresting Gavin.  While he remains free to do presentations and code, Bitcoin is not threatened at all by the US.  The inconveniences we see are due to money-laundering laws.
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May 28, 2013, 06:11:47 PM
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Ya, and if bitcoin actually requires us to use TOR or a VPN, how would that benefit mass adoption? That would kill it entirely.

You do not need mass adoption. Sure, to see the $300k per BTC predicted by rptard you need mass adoption. But I personally don't need to see $300k per BTC.

I'm happy with a system that gives me and the ones like me monetary freedom. A decentralized, trust-free system which allows me to store and transfer value independently from financial institutions. A system that no Government can kill, where my funds cannot be seized.

Yes, it sounds like "paradise" for black market. The truth is that it is, and what Coinseeker does not seem to understand is how fucking big is black market's economy. But it's also a paradise for those who want an hedge on the current, rotten financial system - as telemaco just said.

If you are worried about not seeing mass adoption and thus "cheaper" coins, do not worry. As you can see with drugs, everything that is banned and difficult/dangerous to get comes with a premium. Yet, I do not think there will ever be 6 figures coins in a global ban scenario - but 4 figures coins? You can take it for GRANTED.

What I know is the US dollar is by far the most popular black market currency.  Again, maybe in bizzaro world, it's bitcoin but here on Earth, the US dollar is king.  Bitcoin...ummm....what's a Bitcoin?   Roll Eyes

Your reasoning is so superficial that it makes me LOL (seriously). Bitcoin was born 3 years ago. It's still a baby. Give it some time, and then we'll speak.
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May 28, 2013, 06:14:22 PM
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Total ban of the Unted States. USA is becoming like Northern Korea soon. Isolated totalitarism/socialism.
But Bitcoin grows up.


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Coinseeker, you are stupid nationalist & pseudo patriot.
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May 28, 2013, 06:15:12 PM
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Ya, and if bitcoin actually requires us to use TOR or a VPN, how would that benefit mass adoption? That would kill it entirely.

You do not need mass adoption. Sure, to see the $300k per BTC predicted by rptard you need mass adoption. But I personally don't need to see $300k per BTC.

I'm happy with a system that gives me and the ones like me monetary freedom. A decentralized, trust-free system which allows me to store and transfer value independently from financial institutions. A system that no Government can kill, where my funds cannot be seized.

Yes, it sounds like "paradise" for black market. The truth is that it is, and what Coinseeker does not seem to understand is how fucking big is black market's economy. But it's also a paradise for those who want an hedge on the current, rotten financial system - as telemaco just said.

If you are worried about not seeing mass adoption and thus "cheaper" coins, do not worry. As you can see with drugs, everything that is banned and difficult/dangerous to get comes with a premium. Yet, I do not think there will ever be 6 figures coins in a global ban scenario - but 4 figures coins? You can take it for GRANTED.

What I know is the US dollar is by far the most popular black market currency.  Again, maybe in bizzaro world, it's bitcoin but here on Earth, the US dollar is king.  Bitcoin...ummm....what's a Bitcoin?   Roll Eyes

Can dollars be transmitted anonymously and within minutes over the internet like bitcoins can? I think Bitcoin is a huge thorn in the eyes of the US right now (since the price surge and increase in publics awareness of it), and they are figuring out ways to hit it hard as we speak.
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May 28, 2013, 06:17:05 PM
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Your reasoning is so superficial that it makes me LOL (seriously). Bitcoin was born 3 years ago. It's still a baby. Give it some time, and then we'll speak.

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