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Question: Dec. 14 Closing Price:
<$6,000 - 7 (10.8%)
$6,000-$6,500 - 3 (4.6%)
$6,500-$7,000 - 5 (7.7%)
$7,000-$7,500 - 7 (10.8%)
$7,500-$8,000 - 14 (21.5%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 10 (15.4%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 3 (4.6%)
>$9,000 - 16 (24.6%)
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March 22, 2015, 10:03:48 PM

Then why did you call the desire for eternal youth naive?  Why not state clearly what your opinion on the matter is?

Back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, it was taken for granted that humans would soon be colonizing the Moon and other planets, and space travel woudl become as banal as air travel in those days, and that getting out to space  should be the first priority of mankind, etc..  I recall a Life Magazine timetable, provided by space specialists, that predicted of humans landing on Mars by 1980.

Well, that was a naive prediction, of course.  With better knowledge of the limitations of human physiology and of space travel technology, that schedule had to be pushed to an indefinite future.

But, mainly, knowledge of the true character of the Martian environment, the experience of all those years of manned space programs, and the development of robotic vehicles, have caused many people to realize that the wish itself was naive.  People asked themselves, why do we exactly want to land and live on Mars; and the answers were no longer as easy as they were in the 1970s.

Scientific research?  Robot vehicles can do it better and much cheaper (for one thing, we do not need to bring them back).  Ensuring mankind survival from a catastrophe?  A space colony will, for many generations, be infinitely more fragile than humans on Earth.  Political independence? A space colony will be unable to survive without lots of support from Earth.  Freedom?  Life in a space colony will be like in a penal colony, only worse.  Making money? There seems to be nothing out there that would be worth mining and bringing back...

So, it turned out that, in the 1970s, we did not quite know what "colonizing space" meant.  Once we understood it better, the wish largely cooled off.   It is quite possible that, in a more distant future, technology will be developed that will make us again want to colonizing space and the planets; but today that no longer a common dream.

Sure, there are still a few enthusiastic scientists and amateurs who keep pursuing that dream, and some state and private projects that cater to them.    Even for those enthusiasts,  space flight seems to be more like a stunt, a nerd's version of climbing Mt Everest, than a dream of living their life in space.

This disillusionement stared already after the first few Apollo landings, when the scientific returns decreased and public got bored. The manned Space Shuttle still made sense at the time, but after the two disasters it came to be seen as a bad idea, and it was allowed to die without offspring.  When the International Space Station project started, there were already many who saw it as a colossal waste of money, that would not bring any significant return, economic or scientific; that would be wasteful even for the purpose of perfecting the technology of manned space travel.  And I believe they were right.  NASA was developed basically to realize the Apollo project, but the ISS project was developed basically to justify the preservation of NASA's budget (and the revenue of the manned space industry). 

So, I think that the wish for eternal youth is naive in that same sense.  Not that it is impossible or somehow "wrong", but that it is based on a fuzzy and probably wrong idea of what "ethernal youth" really means, and why we should want to have it.  Do we wish to live forever as we are, or should we want to become something else?  Do we want to to be children forever, or to grow up?  Do we want to live forever as dinosaurs, or to become monkeys?  How can we change radically, while remaining the same individuals?

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But then I don't get why you keep hammering on the 'evolution choose this length of life' argument.  Yes people grow to be more or less 70-80 years old these days, so what?  I might be misinterpreting your words again, but your arguments sound somewhat teleological to me.

But natural evolution did define the average length of human life, just as it defined it as 12-15 years for a cat, or 100-150 years for a Galapagos turtle.  There is nothing teleological there; that lifespan was obviously the best one for our species in our native environment (and note that it is pretty universal -- there are no environments or human populations where people are old at 20, or still young at 200).

Natural selection also resulted in all parts of our bodies and minds being designed to last only that long, because it would be a waste of resources to make them more durable, or self-repairable beyond that.

The fact that technology so far has only doubled our average lifespan (largely by eliminating predators and diseases, and by providing abundant healthy food) actually shows that the obstacles to life extension, even in the biological sense only, are rather formidable. Again, it is not just a matter of preventing the shortening of telomeres...

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By the way, I never said I had any respect for Silbert

Sorry, by "you" I meant the bitcoin community in general.
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March 22, 2015, 10:07:45 PM


Sorry man, missed your post.  Looks like we're getting some serious doxx on this girl.  I think between you, me and this guy hdbuck we got enough detective power to expose her for what she is to the whole world!
Do we have any pictures of her?
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March 22, 2015, 10:09:03 PM

Why bodybuilding at age 93 is a great idea: Charles Eugster
https://youtu.be/rGgoCm1hofM

Great!  Cheesy
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March 22, 2015, 10:09:20 PM

LFC: It's been sometime I've been in the UK. Maybe if we CCMF more, we'll meet for a pint mate (or 2, or 3, or... Tongue )

If you do venture to England gimme a shout, i'd be up for a pint!
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March 22, 2015, 10:09:51 PM

Lol good grief, this trolling activity is not very healthy. I'm starting to think this individual needs to be committed to a mental facility.
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March 22, 2015, 10:11:08 PM

Checking my post history?!  Op sec in this place is pretty tight.  Right on!

You registered within two days of NLC..who you clearly are.

Edit: Ignored. Just in case you try and respond.
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March 22, 2015, 10:14:40 PM

Lol good grief, this trolling activity is not very healthy. I'm starting to think this individual needs to be committed to a mental facility.

Shall we host an intervention, and by intervention I mean smack the nutter around the head with a large salmon.
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March 22, 2015, 10:16:44 PM

Lol good grief, this trolling activity is not very healthy. I'm starting to think this individual needs to be committed to a mental facility.

Shall we host an intervention, and by intervention I mean smack the nutter around the head with a large salmon.
Bitcoiners are starting to get violent.
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March 22, 2015, 10:19:36 PM

Shame we can't ban his IP..
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March 22, 2015, 10:23:59 PM

Lol good grief, this trolling activity is not very healthy. I'm starting to think this individual needs to be committed to a mental facility.

Shall we host an intervention, and by intervention I mean smack the nutter around the head with a large salmon.
At this point, I think it's a lost cause. This mental patient needs to be on heavy doses of medication for some time to come, perhaps permanently. I mean, this isn't normal behavior. You get your main account closed down and then you start a half dozen others, bizarre.
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March 22, 2015, 10:24:29 PM

Shame we can't ban his IP..
Aren't you libertarian bitcoiners against censorship?

Nobody is insulting anybody here. Nobody is breaking the rules of the forum.


Censorship? Really? Cheesy

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March 22, 2015, 10:24:34 PM

Checking my post history?!  Op sec in this place is pretty tight.  Right on!

You registered within two days of NLC..who you clearly are.

Edit: Ignored. Just in case you try and respond.

I can confirm its nlc.  This account was aimed back at Ken Slaugheter as well back in the actm days.

All his sock accounts he used to troll ken with are now in this thread
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March 22, 2015, 10:25:02 PM

Lol good grief, this trolling activity is not very healthy. I'm starting to think this individual needs to be committed to a mental facility.

Shall we host an intervention, and by intervention I mean smack the nutter around the head with a large salmon.
Bitcoiners are starting to get violent.

Na that was comedy, not violence... violence looks a lot different than a slap around the head with a fish.
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March 22, 2015, 10:25:24 PM

[old people shit]

You only read what you like to read?
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Don't argue with Jimbo now, not when he's all fucked up on Cialis the way he is.
D00d's pretty core, boots that shit right into his spine--uses one of them bigass 50cc rigs with a bent point... then greases himself up with bacon lard & hangs in preteen chatrooms.  That's how he nailed that chick NLC.
Best to just let him alone.
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March 22, 2015, 10:26:18 PM

Shame we can't ban his IP..

Oh, looks like the bitcoinish liberalism has strong boundaries.

Will you also beg for a government intervention if the price falls below your pain threshold?
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March 22, 2015, 10:27:02 PM

The sock accounts are annoying.



They should just unban his/her NLC account & be done with it.
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March 22, 2015, 10:27:11 PM

I assume its posts makes someone in command of this joint want to move their cock around with increasing excitement, so we may as well keep that ignore finger sharpened.
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March 22, 2015, 10:29:43 PM

we may as well keep that ignore finger sharpened.
You are still too slow.
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March 22, 2015, 10:30:37 PM

Checking my post history?!  Op sec in this place is pretty tight.  Right on!

You registered within two days of NLC..who you clearly are.

Edit: Ignored. Just in case you try and respond.

You aren't paranoid at all, no sirree!
Come on, even Jimbo, World's Smartest Bitcoiner, gave him them me a pass Angry
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