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January 21, 2018, 06:28:20 AM
Last edit: January 21, 2018, 06:42:41 AM by realr0ach

my first BTC hoodie cost $90,000  Grin

That's not a valid way to think of it.  Bitcoin isn't an actual store of value or anything.  Whether you want to admit it or not, it's a 'scheme'.  Either a flat out fly by night pump and dump at worst, or an imaginary token of a dysfunctional Rube Goldberg machine that will eventually collapse at best.  

Anything acquired with it is the equivalent of black looters rushing a Footlocker and trying to run out with shoes.  Some looters will get only one shoe and will have completely wasted their time.  Others will get several boxes of shoes or a 6 pack of Heineken. But you can't feel sorry for the people who didn't get as much because they were all just looters looking for free shit without working by participating in some type of scheme anyway.

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January 21, 2018, 06:28:58 AM

Spam faucet flooding again at 1 sat. 

I Can Haz MOAR COINZ!?111

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Oh crap, they're sh!tcoins.


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January 21, 2018, 06:38:43 AM

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Awesome contribution, but not for here.  Please start a new thread & share the link.

BTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTC

Understood.  It was well meaning and quite profitable but we don’t want to pollute this thread either.

As long as it's not XRP or BCH, I'm cool.

Seems i'm outnumbered and I believe in Satoshi's Code, so I'll let The People decide. 

Share away! 
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January 21, 2018, 06:42:18 AM

well i sold @12800

Your entire stash ?

It’s a bit like those guys who sold their entire stash at $8 per coin because it can’t go any higher.


yeah...  when kicking myself for selling  a chunk at $1000 early last year, (lesson learned, dont listen to delusional jew haters, lol)
 I think of those that sold everything at $8, and I don't feel so bad....


The guys that sold everything at $8 probably don't feel so bad when they think of the guys that shorted at $4 and got squeezed.


People sold for $ is the only reason.

I remember shorting at $4 waiting to close the short at $3.50.

It reached $3.60 then shot up to $4.50....short squeeze.

That was with several hundred bitcoins.
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January 21, 2018, 06:47:37 AM

How do you guys compute your taxes when...

You mined 1 ETH with your GPU ....

You sold 1 ETH and bought BTC ....

You held that BTC for a long time and then sold for USD ...

The 1 ETH is business income?
The BTC is considered capital gains?

In the US:
The 1 Eth mined is taxed as income.
When you trade the ETH for BTC, assuming you held the ETH for <1 year, you'd pay short term capital gains tax on the amount the ETH appreciated since it was mined.
After you sold the BTC, you'd pay long term capital gains tax on the entire amount.
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January 21, 2018, 07:15:33 AM

How do you guys compute your taxes when...

You mined 1 ETH with your GPU ....

You sold 1 ETH and bought BTC ....

You held that BTC for a long time and then sold for USD ...

The 1 ETH is business income?
The BTC is considered capital gains?

In the US:
The 1 Eth mined is taxed as income.
When you trade the ETH for BTC, assuming you held the ETH for <1 year, you'd pay short term capital gains tax on the amount the ETH appreciated since it was mined.
After you sold the BTC, you'd pay long term capital gains tax on the entire amount.

Hmm how about we throw some dates on this, this is how i understand it, but i'm not a tax professional:

1 June 2015 1 ETH mined (ETH spot price $1)
1 January 2016 sold 1 ETH for 0,01 BTC (ETH spot $10)
2 January 2018 sold 0,01 BTC (BTC spot $20000)

So first in 2015 income on mined ETH $1 is fully taxed as regular income (but can expense equipment costs and electric bills?)
2016 $9 ($10spot - $1base) is taxed at short term capital gains
2018 $190 ($200gross - $10base) is taxed at long term capital gains
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January 21, 2018, 07:21:36 AM

After discovering this old Peter Thiel quote, I think I will now refer to bitcoin as "Thiel's Folly 2.0":

"PayPal will give citizens worldwide more direct control over their currencies than they ever had before. It will be nearly impossible for corrupt governments to steal wealth from their people through their old means, because if they try, the people will switch to dollars or pounds or yen, in effect dumping the worthless local currency for something more secure."
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January 21, 2018, 07:25:09 AM

1. So first in 2015 income on mined ETH $1 is fully taxed as regular income (but can expense equipment costs and electric bills?)
2. 2016 $9 ($10spot - $1base) is taxed at short term capital gains
3. 2018 $190 ($200gross - $10base) is taxed at long term capital gains

1. Yes, and yes - you can deduct electricity and probably part of the equipment
2. Yes, if you've been holding it for 364 days or less. That's where it gets tricky though, since you might've been mining something like .02 ETH per day. Anyway, if you were holding it 365 days or more you'd pay long term capital gains on the $9.
3. Yes
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January 21, 2018, 07:30:57 AM

Ok so I made a blockchain wallet a long time ago and have the private key. This was before the wallet supported Ethereum and Bitcoin Cash.

Will that old private key still work if I'm holding Ethereum in the wallet? I see the wallet now says "export private key" on the ethereum tab. So i was thinking it may not.

Appreciate it if anyone helps me out with this.
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January 21, 2018, 07:40:10 AM

In soviet Russia, coin get dumped for silver or gold:

Bitcoin is a 'Project of US Intelligence,' Kaspersky Lab Co-Founder Claims

http://sputniknews.com/business/201801191060881605-kasperskaya-bitcoin-us-intelligence/
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January 21, 2018, 08:02:46 AM

Went to my local computer store to buy a new PSU. Since my 4 year old Corsair 750W is crapping out.

I look behind the counter and they got a bunch of rigs mining. I wanted to buy a PSU and they said they are not selling them without a motherboard+cpu combo.

WTF?


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January 21, 2018, 08:09:49 AM

Went to my local computer store to buy a new PSU. Since my 4 year old Corsair 750W is crapping out.

I look behind the counter and they got a bunch of rigs mining. I wanted to buy a PSU and they said they are not selling them without a motherboard+cpu combo.

WTF?




fuck 'em if they don't want your money

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January 21, 2018, 08:20:32 AM

Ok so I made a blockchain wallet a long time ago and have the private key. This was before the wallet supported Ethereum and Bitcoin Cash.

Will that old private key still work if I'm holding Ethereum in the wallet? I see the wallet now says "export private key" on the ethereum tab. So i was thinking it may not.

Appreciate it if anyone helps me out with this.

I don’t understand the question.  You have the private key for the Bitcoin address?  If so, that’s not going to help you with the Ethereum address.   Unless you mean seed and not private key.

What are you trying to achieve? 
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January 21, 2018, 08:44:43 AM

Hmmm. 

I have so many accounts on so many exchanges I have lost a couple of Eth and have no idea where they are.  Have been looking for half an hour...  I have the outgoing TX just don’t know where it went.  I haven’t been hacked.   
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January 21, 2018, 09:08:36 AM


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January 21, 2018, 09:08:52 AM

Proof of Curl is Fyffe's true vision. It says so right there in the yellow paper.
Proof of Bend actually gets less of those lovely 'nanas per box and they ripen too quickly. It's just another Del Monte corporatist takeover bid.
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January 21, 2018, 09:20:29 AM

Holy fuck 30 sat transactions being mined.

Coinbase must have adopted batching + Segwit and not told anyone.
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January 21, 2018, 09:26:26 AM

Holy fuck 30 sat transactions being mined.

Coinbase must have adopted batching + Segwit and not told anyone.

only 105k unconfirmed tx.   Shocked
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January 21, 2018, 09:31:43 AM

Holy fuck 30 sat transactions being mined.

Coinbase must have adopted batching + Segwit and not told anyone.

only 105k unconfirmed tx.   Shocked

Yes but a lot of them are spam, so that's no problem. Spam should always remain unconfirmed if possible.
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January 21, 2018, 09:33:00 AM

Holy fuck 30 sat transactions being mined.

Coinbase must have adopted batching + Segwit and not told anyone.

only 105k unconfirmed tx.   Shocked

Yes but a lot of them are spam, so that's no problem. Spam should always remain unconfirmed if possible.

Beats 300k, regardless of composition.
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