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January 26, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
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I am so very, very bored.

Malaise sets in.

... stares out from behind a cold, frosted window. alone in the darkness. all is quiet in the wilderness. the herd is safe and sound. slow exhalations build up condensate on the window. a hand reaches out from beneath a swaddling blanket and aimlessly draws trails. the forefinger begins to chill.

Last time I was bored I joined a Facebook crypto group.

Do yourself a favor and... don't do that.
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January 26, 2018, 02:22:44 AM

How can you be bored?  Is there nothing that you want to learn?  I can't remember the last time there were enough hours in the day.  Giving up that working BS helped.  Not true.  It's worse now.  Better rethink retirement, old man!

Naw, brother. It's not like that. Just introspective hell right now, with everything coming up, and my partner being out of town.

Still have some work I need to trudge through, and just can't find the motivation lately.

Know what I mean ? Winter blahs starting to get to me. Can't wait to move out of Montana end of March. Hate the snow.

Moving further South.

Looking forward to pursuing passion projects, that I really can't start on now, for... reasons.

Ya, I hear that.  Go rip the Porsche around in the snow.  That will raise the heart rate, focus, and elicit a YEE HAW at the very least  Tongue
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January 26, 2018, 02:24:54 AM

I am so very, very bored.

Malaise sets in.

... stares out from behind a cold, frosted window. alone in the darkness. all is quiet in the wilderness. the herd is safe and sound. slow exhalations build up condensate on the window. a hand reaches out from beneath a swaddling blanket and aimlessly draws trails. the forefinger begins to chill.

Last time I was bored I joined a Facebook crypto group.

Do yourself a favor and... don't do that.

Save time, and just stick the pencil in your eye beforehand.  Then you can avoid the whole fecesbook thing, and skip straight to the pain management.
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January 26, 2018, 02:54:29 AM

Back over $11,500 again. This can only mean one thing... BobLawblaw didn't put his massive sell wall at $11.5k.
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Naw, brother. It's not like that. Just introspective hell right now, with everything coming up, and my partner being out of town.

Still have some work I need to trudge through, and just can't find the motivation lately.

Know what I mean ? Winter blahs starting to get to me. Can't wait to move out of Montana end of March. Hate the snow.

Moving further South.

Looking forward to pursuing passion projects, that I really can't start on now, for... reasons.

My advice is not to go too far. It is a known fact that people who lived most of their lives up north sometimes don't last in the South.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/keep-it-cool-hot-weather-advice-older-people

I am thinking to move in the opposite direction (from TX to CO or OR) in due course.
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January 26, 2018, 03:26:20 AM

So my banks just complained. Apparently churning too much money in and out of exchanges has them worried shitless that the taxman will complain. Might have to register as a business to keep trading at the current levels of volume. Not sure I wanna deal with that shit. Especially the part where I have to give up half the profit. Blah.
To me, this is worrying more than annoying. Any hint of coordination among banks? How long between the two complaints?
If you only had money coming in and no money going out they probably wouldnt have a problem with it.

This is why we need something like Tether but which is reliable.

What do you mean you have to give half your profit? I know already as a daytrader I have to give up 40% of my profit every year in income taxes. I thought registering as a business would actually prevent taxes until you took out money (paid yourself) to spend it.
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January 26, 2018, 03:29:02 AM

I thought registering as a business would actually prevent taxes until you took out money to spend it.

Corporates pay corporate tax rates on profits.  You might get a credit on your income tax for dividends that have already been taxed at the corporate level depending on where you live.

The important part about corporates is you only pay tax on profits.  Individuals pay tax on revenue and then have to fight for deductions. 
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So my banks just complained. Apparently churning too much money in and out of exchanges has them worried shitless that the taxman will complain. Might have to register as a business to keep trading at the current levels of volume. Not sure I wanna deal with that shit. Especially the part where I have to give up half the profit. Blah.
To me, this is worrying more than annoying. Any hint of coordination among banks? How long between the two complaints?
If you only had money coming in and no money going out they probably wouldnt have a problem with it.

This is why we need something like Tether but which is reliable.

What do you mean you have to give half your profit? I know already as a daytrader I have to give up 40% of my profit every year in income taxes. I thought registering as a business would actually prevent taxes until you took out money (paid yourself) to spend it.


IF I was to do what you do..it would be 40% (my income bracket with mining etc) and 10% STATE Income Tax..so for income OR capital gains my state adds 10% tax

this is probably why you  see some folk say 50% tax rate....(so I mine its 40% tax rate and 10% state tax..if I sell crypto it is 40% capital gains and 10% tax rate (state

calls it income) so either/or I lose 50% on ANY crypto I make and/or use if less than 1 year and a day ....

annoying.....

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January 26, 2018, 03:33:43 AM

wow

we are clearing TXs down to 10 satoshi/byte if I am reading the chart right
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Corporates pay corporate tax rates on profits.

Except pass-through corporates that pay personal tax rates on profits.
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January 26, 2018, 03:35:29 AM

wow

we are clearing TXs down to 10 satoshi/byte if I am reading the chart right
Yes, it's been going on for a while now. So if you still have Bitcoins in non-SegWit addresses, or want to consolidate some of your UTXOs into the same address (so your privacy isn't affected), now would be a good time!
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Corporates pay corporate tax rates on profits.

Except pass-through corporates that pay personal tax rates on profits.

And partnerships, trusts and more exotic birds.
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So I have been thinking about the Lightning Network for a bit as far as running a node goes.

From my limited understanding of it, if you are the node between 2 people you basically fund the transactions going through, they sign a transaction to you, you sign a transaction to them for the equal amount each (so you need twice the amount for the channel), then throughout the length of time of the channel being open you sign transactions back and forth with the people connected to your node then settle everything at the end or whenever someone wants to settle the balance.

Firstly, is that somewhat accurate? I am sure it is super complicated beyond that, otherwise I would know it better.

My question (if that is accurate) is, could I sign every possible transaction for each node connecting to me offline, then only move the signed transactions to a hot database that I pull the transactions from as needed?

For example, A and B connect to me with 1 BTC each. I copy their public key to an offline machine and have it generate a million transactions each (or however many are needed) to account for every possible signed transaction then transfer that to a computer online.

Also, if this is possible, what prevents me from signing all of those transactions then spending the bitcoins somewhere else. Or is this what SegWit fixed?
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January 26, 2018, 03:40:37 AM

So my banks just complained. Apparently churning too much money in and out of exchanges has them worried shitless that the taxman will complain. Might have to register as a business to keep trading at the current levels of volume. Not sure I wanna deal with that shit. Especially the part where I have to give up half the profit. Blah.
To me, this is worrying more than annoying. Any hint of coordination among banks? How long between the two complaints?
If you only had money coming in and no money going out they probably wouldnt have a problem with it.

This is why we need something like Tether but which is reliable.

What do you mean you have to give half your profit? I know already as a daytrader I have to give up 40% of my profit every year in income taxes. I thought registering as a business would actually prevent taxes until you took out money (paid yourself) to spend it.
I actually considered if tether would be a valid way to store my fiat. Not sure how reliable it is tho, and you need dollar to buy it where I am stuck with euro on kraken.

And danish rules man. As a one person business the entire profit of the business count as regular wage income, and it will eventually be enough to put me in the 55% tax bracket (if it isn't already, can't be arsed checking). On the other hand there is no capital gains tax on bitcoin, so considering just not trading anymore and waiting for the price to go up, then sell a bit as needed during spikes. But nobody can predict the future so...
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January 26, 2018, 03:46:11 AM

So my banks just complained. Apparently churning too much money in and out of exchanges has them worried shitless that the taxman will complain. Might have to register as a business to keep trading at the current levels of volume. Not sure I wanna deal with that shit. Especially the part where I have to give up half the profit. Blah.

I understand you wouldn't like giving an exact figure but.... may I ask if we are talking about millions here or are they complaining over a smaller figure? Any ballpark on what triggered their concerns would help.
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January 26, 2018, 03:47:48 AM

Tether requires defending a peg.  Some day a whale will decide to short and break the Tether peg.   All over Red Rover.

I saw some commentary on Twitter that said that Tether printing was because the demand for Tether during this bear market was through the roof and they had to print more to hold the price down to US$1.  Otherwise the peg was about to break to the upside.

I interpret that to mean that the best time to blow up Tether to the downside is during a price surge as everyone is dumping their Tether for crypto.
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January 26, 2018, 03:48:36 AM

So my banks just complained. Apparently churning too much money in and out of exchanges has them worried shitless that the taxman will complain. Might have to register as a business to keep trading at the current levels of volume. Not sure I wanna deal with that shit. Especially the part where I have to give up half the profit. Blah.
To me, this is worrying more than annoying. Any hint of coordination among banks? How long between the two complaints?
If you only had money coming in and no money going out they probably wouldnt have a problem with it.

This is why we need something like Tether but which is reliable.

What do you mean you have to give half your profit? I know already as a daytrader I have to give up 40% of my profit every year in income taxes. I thought registering as a business would actually prevent taxes until you took out money (paid yourself) to spend it.

... But your "business" would have to pay corporate taxes over the trading profits TOO.
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So my banks just complained. Apparently churning too much money in and out of exchanges has them worried shitless that the taxman will complain. Might have to register as a business to keep trading at the current levels of volume. Not sure I wanna deal with that shit. Especially the part where I have to give up half the profit. Blah.

I understand you wouldn't like giving an exact figure but.... may I ask if we are talking about millions here or are they complaining over a smaller figure? Any ballpark on what triggered their concerns would help.
Millions over several months in local denomination, so... 200-400k in dollar?

The thing is I only make 4-5% per trade, with the upside that there is zero risk on my end. So it looks like massive amounts are being moved (massive in terms of wage slave numbers that is), but it's really just the same pool of money churning back and forth over and over, which to them looks like huge amounts. It pays the rent and a bit more, but it's really nothing massive in terms of profits.
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Tera where are we now on that map of yours?
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