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Question: Jan. 31 Closing Price:
<$3,000 - 7 (10.1%)
$3,000-$3,200 - 2 (2.9%)
$3,200-$3,400 - 6 (8.7%)
$3,400-$3,600 - 11 (15.9%)
$3,600-$3,800 - 4 (5.8%)
$3,800-$4,000 - 7 (10.1%)
$4,000-$4,200 - 9 (13%)
$4,200-$4,400 - 4 (5.8%)
$4,400-$4,600 - 1 (1.4%)
$4,600-$4,800 - 2 (2.9%)
$4,800-$5,000 - 2 (2.9%)
>$5,000 - 14 (20.3%)
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September 20, 2018, 10:34:52 PM


I could be wrong (like many times before), but I think you're the only one who made those three conclusions.


I am super unique!

My interpretation:

The aVerlanche is going to bring BCH down where it can join the rest of shitcoins.
BTC will remain strong and the only one at the top.
Ethereum is a user friendly (paved road) playground. Anyone with a couple of hours spare time can create a useless token on top of it.

I like it.  It is a better story than mine.

In this instance, you are too modest, cAPSLOCK.  Your criticism of the misleading nature of the pic seems more accurate.  I was thinking something similar regarding the misleading nature of the pic and that it seems to elevate the status of various other alts that are either platforms for shit or shit themselves.   

I am not of the opinion that alt coins do not add anything to the bitcoin space because I do believe that they provide decent avenues for a diverse amount of money to come into the crypto space that will likely get diverted into bitcoin, even though it may take more than 20 years to play out - because 1) there is a lot of dumb money out there that will take a long time to get smart (if ever) and 2) there is a lot of smart money that is more than willing to take their chances to make money in the dumb money space - even sometimes while they end up playing their cards badly, from time to time, too.
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September 20, 2018, 10:54:15 PM

Not bad movie finisht ..... first automatic thing = CM and Nice Tiny bit up, but much better than down
So i can relax driving home and get a good sleep , CAUSE weekend is coming and with al the BOOZ pic’s and cheers around ...... Just making me thirsty  Grin
Alcohol wil be testing the liver strenght This weekend for sure
Meanwhile BTC Just keep up Going the right way , Just forget the BUMPS for a while  Grin
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September 20, 2018, 11:37:57 PM



BTW have you guys ever seen this?
https://tucsky.github.io/SignificantTrades/#

It shows large buys and sells live from many exchanges..
It might give you an edge to see a dump coming before it reaches the exchange you are on, or a pump..

Love this . just noticed if you tap the transaction amount (eg: $1.2m) it displays the amount of bitcoin
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BTW have you guys ever seen this?
https://tucsky.github.io/SignificantTrades/#

It shows large buys and sells live from many exchanges..
It might give you an edge to see a dump coming before it reaches the exchange you are on, or a pump..

Love this . just noticed if you tap the transaction amount (eg: $1.2m) it displays the amount of bitcoin
I love this.
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September 21, 2018, 12:49:30 AM

Glad you like it guys..

I want to get back trading but just haven't found myself a spot.. It's been a while..

What do you guys recommend for exchanges a USA citizen can use?
I like zero fees and some margin, like huobi was..
I didn't like coinbase so much because of the fee structure, it makes the bots so aggressive.

A good exchange for someone that wants to daytrade the volatility, make many many small flips, lots of trades..

Their probably isn't anything good like that out there anymore is there?

Probably stuck with coinbase using market orders and high fees Sad
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September 21, 2018, 01:00:19 AM

Glad you like it guys..

I want to get back trading but just haven't found myself a spot.. It's been a while..

What do you guys recommend for exchanges a USA citizen can use?
I like zero fees and some margin, like huobi was..
I didn't like coinbase so much because of the fee structure, it makes the bots so aggressive.

A good exchange for someone that wants to daytrade the volatility, make many many small flips, lots of trades..

Their probably isn't anything good like that out there anymore is there?

Probably stuck with coinbase using market orders and high fees Sad

You do not have to do market orders, and on coinbase there is no fee, as long as you set limited orders.

Furthermore, what does it matter very much about which exchange, whichever one you can get onto and then of course your spreads would be farther apart if there is a higher fee in order to at least cover the fee.

I agree that you might be inspired to move some of your trading based on lower fees, which I did when I moved some of my trading from Gemini to Binance - but each exchange has its plusses and minuses - and even questions about whether you are ready, willing and able to link a bank account to the exchange, which options would likely depend somewhat on your origin country, too.
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September 21, 2018, 01:29:07 AM
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You do not have to do market orders, and on coinbase there is no fee, as long as you set limited orders.

Furthermore, what does it matter very much about which exchange, whichever one you can get onto and then of course your spreads would be farther apart if there is a higher fee in order to at least cover the fee.

I agree that you might be inspired to move some of your trading based on lower fees, which I did when I moved some of my trading from Gemini to Binance - but each exchange has its plusses and minuses - and even questions about whether you are ready, willing and able to link a bank account to the exchange, which options would likely depend somewhat on your origin country, too.

Coinbase has NO spread because of the way the fee structure incentivises bots to be market makers. The bots are some of the best I've seen, best in the world bots..

I like to place market maker trades myself because I like to trade inbetween walls, and the bots there are just too much competition for my trading style. It doesn't feel good..

I like to be on the high volume exchanges where that exchange is making the world market, or atleast have a close eye on those charts too.. Always watching a few..
I usually take a LOT of tiny stoplosses too so low fees make it a lot easier to get back out of a trade I no longer like the look of.. Which is incredibly hard to do on coinbase trying to get in with those bots..

I made a binance account for the first time last week when I was chatting with some group trading there, where I found that tool you all like so much actually, but I decided that I really didn't like the new shitcoins of the day trading there much and the group turned out to be really just trying to sell TA to pretty much puppets that would trade their TA..

I have a hooked up coinbase but I don't figure I'll need my bank account UNLESS I DO AWESOME TRADING!!


And about exchanges with no margin.. Then I can only make more BTCs when the price is going down..
If I have margin I can also make more BTCs while the price is going up! And down..

I'm checking out the usdt/btc on binance right now..


I might have crypto trader PTSD or something < made that up..
I really want back in there but I just haven't been able to bring myself to do it.. Probably causing my exchange indecision..
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September 21, 2018, 01:36:11 AM

Hm. Is it possible to use coinbase if you don't have a cell phone?

I have no problem with MFA but a cell phone is useless for that.

Also it's at 6500. So....

Ladies and Gentlemen
Boys and Girls.....

Dumping time is here.

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I wonder if the recent Core bug will move the market. It might be the worst bug since 2010, though luckily it wasn't actually exploited and is unlikely to cause future trouble.
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I wonder if the recent Core bug will move the market. It might be the worst bug since 2010, though luckily it wasn't actually exploited and is unlikely to cause future trouble.


Link or it didn't happen...   hahahahahaa   Cheesy


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O.k.   now I see the link, at the top of every forum page (and here for the sake of convenience),  and yeah sounds like a pretty serious possible exploit that had not been known to be exploited and to make sure all transactions have 200 confirmations in the next week or so in case there is a chainsplit before a sufficient amount of hashpower is upgraded and until the situation is resolved - which they are also saying that most of the mining hashpower has already upgraded to the fix away from the bug... I am NOT technical enough to understand some of this but it sounds serious.. and funny to have something so major to just be found...  Whoaza!!!
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I like the quote. Whose words?
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Hmm... Conflicted. There are two possible ways to go with this:

1) that's a well lit B52; or

2) WTF, man. You stalking me?
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September 21, 2018, 02:31:33 AM

Glad you like it guys..

I want to get back trading but just haven't found myself a spot.. It's been a while..

What do you guys recommend for exchanges a USA citizen can use?
I like zero fees and some margin, like huobi was..
I didn't like coinbase so much because of the fee structure, it makes the bots so aggressive.

A good exchange for someone that wants to daytrade the volatility, make many many small flips, lots of trades..

Their probably isn't anything good like that out there anymore is there?

Probably stuck with coinbase using market orders and high fees Sad

GDAX/Coinbase Pro charges zero for market makers.
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You do not have to do market orders, and on coinbase there is no fee, as long as you set limited orders.

Furthermore, what does it matter very much about which exchange, whichever one you can get onto and then of course your spreads would be farther apart if there is a higher fee in order to at least cover the fee.

I agree that you might be inspired to move some of your trading based on lower fees, which I did when I moved some of my trading from Gemini to Binance - but each exchange has its plusses and minuses - and even questions about whether you are ready, willing and able to link a bank account to the exchange, which options would likely depend somewhat on your origin country, too.

Coinbase has NO spread because of the way the fee structure incentivises bots to be market makers. The bots are some of the best I've seen, best in the world bots..

I like to place market maker trades myself because I like to trade inbetween walls, and the bots there are just too much competition for my trading style. It doesn't feel good..

I like to be on the high volume exchanges where that exchange is making the world market, or atleast have a close eye on those charts too.. Always watching a few..
I usually take a LOT of tiny stoplosses too so low fees make it a lot easier to get back out of a trade I no longer like the look of.. Which is incredibly hard to do on coinbase trying to get in with those bots..

I made a binance account for the first time last week when I was chatting with some group trading there, where I found that tool you all like so much actually, but I decided that I really didn't like the new shitcoins of the day trading there much and the group turned out to be really just trying to sell TA to pretty much puppets that would trade their TA..

I have a hooked up coinbase but I don't figure I'll need my bank account UNLESS I DO AWESOME TRADING!!

And about exchanges with no margin.. Then I can only make more BTCs when the price is going down..
If I have margin I can also make more BTCs while the price is going up! And down..

I'm checking out the usdt/btc on binance right now..


I might have crypto trader PTSD or something < made that up..
I really want back in there but I just haven't been able to bring myself to do it.. Probably causing my exchange indecision..

Whatever you are describing yourself as doing in terms of BTC trading and preferences seems strange and disjointed to me, even though I understand that each person (assuming that you are a person) has a different approach to trading or accumulating bitcoin and goals, and each person has a past practice of employing differing strategies in terms of the extent to which they gamble their whole trading stash or if they are content with trading smaller portions of their stash (whether attempting to accumulate fiat or BTC). 

So, yeah, I get it that you are attempting to trade rather than purely accumulate bitcoin and HODL, and you seem to want to trade BTC in order to become profitable whether you measure your profits in dollars or in bitcoin remains unclear to me because you are not describing whether you have connections to banks or how you might have planned to cash into fiat if that was one of your goals.  Furthermore, it sounds as if you want to attempt to profit from smaller increments of trades, but you do not have bots yourself, but you believe that you are not able to profit as much if you conclude that the bots are more prevalent on any given exchange? 

I personally believe that you can still profit if bots are present and if spreads are close because the main way to make money is to bet based on the movement of the price rather than the spread.. because when the BTC price moves, it seems to move on all exchanges in the same direction, and sure of course some exchanges will move faster and further than others, but there also does not seem to be much of a pattern for well established exchanges regarding which one is going to move farther or moves first.  So, in that regard, it can be useful to have some value on more than one exchange, and sometimes even if you set orders at the same prices, the orders might sometimes fill on exchange A more often than exchange B, but then that situation can reverse, from time to time, too.

It appears to me that whatever you are attempting to do falls into a category of kind of winging it, and unclear to me how what you are doing is not just placing a bet and then gambling that the BTC price moves in that direction and then if the price moves in the opposite direction then you replace your bet by another bet, and so ultimately you are hoping to gain profits (but you are kind of expecting to NOT have any money left (principle or profits) after going through the process for a while and that is why you have not set up any exchange accounts that are linked to bank accounts)?

Personally, I believe that it is much better to attempt to establish your initial trading stash without margin and to get a hang of the situation, but I understand that you can gain a lot more by use of margin, if you are lucky (or insider information) enough to be able to place your bets in the right direction.
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September 21, 2018, 03:04:25 AM

I wonder if the recent Core bug will move the market. It might be the worst bug since 2010, though luckily it wasn't actually exploited and is unlikely to cause future trouble.

This is the first I've heard of it.
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September 21, 2018, 03:22:42 AM

I wonder if the recent Core bug will move the market. It might be the worst bug since 2010, though luckily it wasn't actually exploited and is unlikely to cause future trouble.

Don't see how/why it would.

Seems the Bitcorn side of things got fixes deployed quickly enough.

Interested to see if this will affect BCash, however.
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September 21, 2018, 03:41:20 AM

I wonder if the recent Core bug will move the market. It might be the worst bug since 2010, though luckily it wasn't actually exploited and is unlikely to cause future trouble.


Link or it didn't happen...   hahahahahaa   Cheesy


Edit:  

O.k.   now I see the link, at the top of every forum page (and here for the sake of convenience),  and yeah sounds like a pretty serious possible exploit that had not been known to be exploited and to make sure all transactions have 200 confirmations in the next week or so in case there is a chainsplit before a sufficient amount of hashpower is upgraded and until the situation is resolved - which they are also saying that most of the mining hashpower has already upgraded to the fix away from the bug... I am NOT technical enough to understand some of this but it sounds serious.. and funny to have something so major to just be found...  Whoaza!!!

Yeah. What cracks me up is how all y'all jumped down the throats of BCH developers for having a core dev discover a bug in a single (of several) Bitcoin Cash implementation, which was also never exploited.

Shoe's on the other foot now. #justsayin
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September 21, 2018, 03:42:22 AM

https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-core-developers-move-to-fix-denial-of-service-software-bug/

Fixed in patch 0.16.3

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Shoe's on the other door now. #justsayin

Did a BCH developer discover the bug and confidentially alert the Core team?
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