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Question: Closing BTC Price June 17:
$0 - 2 (1.5%)
<$6,500 - 7 (5.4%)
$6,500-$6,750 - 1 (0.8%)
$6,751-$7,000 - 2 (1.5%)
$7,001-$7,250 - 3 (2.3%)
$7,251-$7,500 - 6 (4.6%)
$7,501-$7,750 - 4 (3.1%)
$7,751-$8,000 - 12 (9.2%)
$8,001-$8,250 - 13 (10%)
$8,251-$8,500 - 7 (5.4%)
$8,501-$8,750 - 6 (4.6%)
$8,751-$9,000 - 11 (8.5%)
$9,001,$9,250 - 13 (10%)
$9,251-$9,500 - 17 (13.1%)
>$9,500 - 17 (13.1%)
$20,000 - 9 (6.9%)
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November 24, 2018, 01:07:32 AM

I hate the word retarded. I prefer “special needs” or “developmentally disabled”.

Gizzer is all the word you need.
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November 24, 2018, 01:07:36 AM

some of the big block arguments resonate with me.

Retard

The typical ad hominem response I was expecting. It just proves my point about group think.

I really despise the term "group think." Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps the reason the most popular opinion is popular is because it is the most compelling? Although it is true that sometimes the most popular opinion is dead wrong, it doesn't mean that every popular opinion is dead wrong and that I should only accept "alternate" theories. Every argument has to stand on its own merits.

The crypto scene is the most "group think" thing I have ever encountered. Most of it stems from reddit, which is an easy-to-manipulate hive mind. There are even busineses that attempt to sway opinion using paid shills.
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some of the big block arguments resonate with me.

Retard

The typical ad hominem response I was expecting. It just proves my point about group think.

Seeing as I am a leftie, I will make it more PC for you.  Differently abled.

Retard or retarded is much better and more descriptive about what is really meant.

I'm retarded for keeping an open mind? Ok...

No you are retarded due to your failure to properly understand the trilemma.  And if you don't know what that means, GTFO. This isn't a noob thread.  
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November 24, 2018, 01:11:31 AM

I hate the word retarded. I prefer “special needs” or “developmentally disabled”.

Gizzer is all the word you need.

Gizzer? You mean geezer?
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November 24, 2018, 01:11:55 AM

some of the big block arguments resonate with me.

Retard

The typical ad hominem response I was expecting. It just proves my point about group think.

Seeing as I am a leftie, I will make it more PC for you.  Differently abled.

Retard or retarded is much better and more descriptive about what is really meant.

I'm retarded for keeping an open mind?

I hate the word retarded. I prefer “special needs” or “developmentally disabled”.

Yeah, "special needs" is much more appropriate.

Theymos clearly realised that one year ago and that's the reason we now have "special rules" for our "special needs":

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November 24, 2018, 01:12:31 AM

some of the big block arguments resonate with me.

Retard

The typical ad hominem response I was expecting. It just proves my point about group think.

Seeing as I am a leftie, I will make it more PC for you.  Differently abled.

Retard or retarded is much better and more descriptive about what is really meant.

I'm retarded for keeping an open mind? Ok...

No you are retarded due to your failure to properly understand the trilemma.  And if you don't know what that means, GTFO this isn't a noob thread.  

I'm no noob, check my join date. The fact that there is even a trilemma to understand suggests there are valid arguments to be made from different sides. I have spent much time doing my own investigation and came to the conclusion that I don't have enough information to predict with absolute certainty the best path forward in the long term, so I choose to keep all forks. I am a long term holder with no intention to ever sell my coins.
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November 24, 2018, 01:13:28 AM

No you are retarded due to your failure to properly understand the trilemma.  And if you don't know what that means, GTFO. This isn't a noob thread.  

Thank you.

It's now nearly 2019, and we are WAAAYYYY past the point of BCash (and everyone associated with it) being confirmed a shit scam.

WAAAYYYY past that point. That turkey is cooked and long dead.
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November 24, 2018, 01:14:44 AM

Gizzer? You mean geezer?

Nope. Gizzer. With a hard G. Fly into Heathrow, say 'speed up, gizzer' to the immigration geezer and relish the reaction.
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November 24, 2018, 01:17:07 AM

Gizzer? You mean geezer?

Nope. Gizzer. With a hard G. Fly into Heathrow, say 'speed up, gizzer' to the immigration geezer and relish the reaction.

Learn something new everyday.
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November 24, 2018, 01:17:22 AM

I have spent much time doing my own investigation and came to the conclusion that I don't have enough information to predict with absolute certainty the best path forward in the long term, so I choose to keep all forks.

Given the lack of faith you have in your own mental faculties, you should not be surprised when others call you a retard.  

Obvious scam forks are obvious scams.  If you cannot figure that out, so be it. 
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November 24, 2018, 01:18:33 AM


The crypto scene is the most "group think" thing I have ever encountered. Most of it stems from reddit, which is an easy-to-manipulate hive mind. There are even busineses that attempt to sway opinion using paid shills.

LOL, if you hang out here long enough, it will become abundantly clear that there is a multitude of alternative and conflicting opinions expressed here. I mean look at r0ach. A good portion of his posts are definitely not popular, yet a good portion of his posts remain. The moderation on Bitcointalk is actually quite light compared to reddit. Both the btc and Bitcoin thread there appear to be echo chambers.
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November 24, 2018, 01:19:45 AM

Speaking of trilema, what ever happened to Mircea Popescu?
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November 24, 2018, 01:21:27 AM

Oopsie.  5M charts for fun and profit.  






... this is a joke.  I don't chart 5M.
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Oopsie.  5M charts for fun and profit.  





Those look like random lines there Hairy.
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The crypto scene is the most "group think" thing I have ever encountered. Most of it stems from reddit, which is an easy-to-manipulate hive mind. There are even busineses that attempt to sway opinion using paid shills.

LOL, if you hang out here long enough, it will become abundantly clear that there is a multitude of alternative and conflicting opinions expressed here. I mean look at r0ach. A good portion of his posts are definitely not popular, yet a good portion of his posts remain. The moderation on Bitcointalk is actually quite light compared to reddit. Both the btc and Bitcoin thread there appear to be echo chambers.

The only thing I notice here is that everyone seems to hate BCH with a passion. It's understandable. If only there were one single definite strategy for scaling Bitcoin and maintaining decentralization, and therefore no need for multiple competing implementations. Then people wouldn't feel like they have to pick sides and defend their choices like their future depended on it.
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Speaking of trilema, what ever happened to Mircea Popescu?

I heard he got stranded on a deserted island.


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November 24, 2018, 01:31:37 AM

some of the big block arguments resonate with me.

Retard

The typical ad hominem response I was expecting. It just proves my point about group think.

Seeing as I am a leftie, I will make it more PC for you.  Differently abled.

Retard or retarded is much better and more descriptive about what is really meant.

I'm retarded for keeping an open mind?

Your position is not an open mind, even if you are trying to present the position as such.. largely for the reasons that I already outlined.. and there may even be some other reasons.. but does not seem necessary to go down that path because it remains your burden to back up your bullshit, nonsense, retarded, position with facts and logic rather than my burden to show why you seem to be lacking (assuming that you really mean what you say rather than either being a paid shill, alt coin pumper or a disingenuine troll).
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November 24, 2018, 01:32:50 AM

Those look like random lines there Hairy.

Thatsthejoke.com  

Edit:  But if it was real TA, it would be predicting the failure of the break out.  
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November 24, 2018, 01:34:36 AM

Those look like random lines there Hairy.

Thatsthejoke.com

Babies are dying because of you joking.
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November 24, 2018, 01:37:29 AM

I have spent much time doing my own investigation and came to the conclusion that I don't have enough information to predict with absolute certainty the best path forward in the long term, so I choose to keep all forks. I am a long term holder with no intention to ever sell my coins.

Don't bother arguing with these fools as 99% of them are too lazy to have done any due diligence themselves and just hope that someone else will work on bitcoin and it will somehow make them rich.  From memory, when I did the estimates way back in the day, I think I came up with bitcoin needing 8 MB blocks in the long run to function as a global settlement system where transactions of around $10k or more are viable.

Is 2 MB blocks + LN equal or better to that?  No.  LN is an even more centralized, more permissioned version of bitcoin where they seek to transfer all consumer payments to.  So you theoretically CAN transfer most bitcoin traffic there, but LN doesn't actually have anything in common with bitcoin in the first place.  It's a totally different system.  It's like replacing bitcoin with bitshares and pretending it's the same thing.  But when it comes down to it, bitcoin transaction validators are designed to centralize, nullifying any reason for it's existence, so there's no point in even discussing building any 2nd tier layers on it.

Discussing LN vs bigger blocks is like discussing what color to paint the Titanic.  It's 100% impossible to create a decentralized digital currency where transaction validators don't centralize.

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