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November 30, 2018, 06:13:47 AM

The Dutch East India Company was the largest company in history. Also the first company trading stocks at the Amsterdam stock exchange.

The company was as large as 20 of our largest companies combined, it was as large as the GDP of Germany and Japan together.

Amazing achievement from this tiny country.




We weren’t tiny then Cool
Holland colonized a lot. Surinam, Indonesia, Ceylon, South-Africa, etc.
We even sold you New Amsterdam which you now call New York...
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November 30, 2018, 06:19:31 AM
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Sideways it is...for now.

1h



This image goes with some text I put in a previous post..go figure.

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Good night all.

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November 30, 2018, 06:20:43 AM

The Dutch East India Company was the largest company in history. Also the first company trading stocks at the Amsterdam stock exchange.

The company was as large as 20 of our largest companies combined, it was as large as the GDP of Germany and Japan together.

Amazing achievement from this tiny country.




I am sorry, but it makes no sense.

Dutch east india company profits were:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company
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"the long-term average annual profit in the VOC's 1630–70 'Golden Age' was 2.1 million guilders, of which just under half was distributed as dividends and the remainder reinvested. The long-term average annual profit in the 'Expansion Age' (1680–1730) was 2.0 million guilders, of which three-quarters was distributed as dividend and one-quarter reinvested. In the earlier period, profits averaged 18 percent of total revenues; in the latter period, 10 percent. The annual return of invested capital in the earlier period stood at approximately 6 percent; in the latter period, 3.4 percent."

According to the following 1 guilder was either about $12-15 or $100 (or, maybe, fluctuated between these two with $12-15 being more reliable (later) number.
https://lensonleeuwenhoek.net/content/what-was-guilder-worth

Therefore, 2.1 mil guilders yearly profit is just $32-210 mil in CURRENT buying power.
NO way $32-210 mil in profit can get you ANYTHING close to trillions that you quoted, unless something is wrong with value calculation.
Besides, the population of earth was just 500mil back than. Not enough people to get to the valuation that high.

TL;DR this valuation is a MYTH.
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November 30, 2018, 07:15:01 AM

What feels like to be a HODLER during your first bear market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLBJA8SlH2w

WARNING: This content may be disturbing to some crypto audiences.

Jesus. Why doesn't the second guy get a safety harness attached? Slipped everyone's minds?

People on the ground: "is it raining"?
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Looks like we have dropped off the second line of support.  On the downside, next support is around $4063 - 4092 (weak).



TA at these pricess makes little sense to me (but appreciated HM, it gets me through these days). What do you try to achieve, buy even cheaper bitcoins?

There is one thing I learned over the years: it does not matter what your cost average is, it matters how many bitcoins you managed to hamster. The downside got limited (-50% max?) while the upside is limitless. Bitcoin moves fast when it does and you risk holding the fiat bag while trying to get even cheaper bitcoins.

So start working your ass of and just buy those sub $5K bitcoins; at least I will and you can’t have any when we again will panic in the other direction. You can thank (or curse!) me in a few years time Smiley
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November 30, 2018, 07:19:34 AM
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What feels like to be a HODLER during your first bear market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLBJA8SlH2w

WARNING: This content may be disturbing to some crypto audiences.

Jesus. Doesn't the second guy get a safety harness or anything?

Yup, he's wearing it... it's just that the pilot somehow forgot to attach the noob harness to the glider frame during the preflight check. Anyway... impressive hodling powah, ain't it? Smiley

HOdl for Dear Life gets into the next level.
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November 30, 2018, 07:20:35 AM

So what now? ... dead again?

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November 30, 2018, 07:28:05 AM

So what now? ... dead again?

 Roll Eyes



Guess it's time to update the Bitcoin obituaries...
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November 30, 2018, 07:35:16 AM
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Inspiration struck again this morning. The muslims have this term, Taqiya. The basic idea is that it's ok to lie as long as it promotes the spread of Islam.

One of the differences between K's and r's is that K's are more honest. Cultural pressure over generational periods can result in genetic and behavioral changes in a population, so insofar as lies and honesty are a function of the size of the amygdala, it is possible that Islam has pushed the muslim populations of the world towards more r-based behavior compared to what they could have been, or possibly even compared to what they once were (for example in ancient mesopotamia, the area we today call the middle east).

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November 30, 2018, 08:15:40 AM

Inspiration struck again this morning. The muslims have this term, Taqiya. The basic idea is that it ok to lie as long as it promotes the spread of Islam.

One of the differences between K's and r's is that K's are more honest. Cultural pressure over generational periods can result in genetic and behavioral changes in a population, so insofar as lies and honesty are a function of the size of the amygdala, it is possible that Islam has pushed the muslim populations of the world towards more r-based behavior compared to what they could have been, or possibly even compared to what they once were (for example in ancient mesopotatia, the area we today call the middle east).

Thoughts?

I'll leave this one for roach...
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You born in the states and are against migration?
You wouldn't even exist if there was none (except you're 100% native).
So ask again: are you a moron or not?  Grin

Whoops sorry, I meant in regard to the migration politics of refugees in Europe. Its basically a political virtue signaling shitfest that doesn't really help anyone but a precious lucky few... And if anything, it makes things worse for the country they came from. I also have issues with the H-1B Visa for example. Its a Braindrain and countries that are already in poverty need their geniuses, engineers, doctors and scientists... Certain migration politics make no sense.>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE


Sry, mate.
I'm actually from a (german) neighbour country, and yes, imho politics are still failing in this regard.
It's also the history that kept german from taking appropiate measures. They can't afford to not welcome any refugees. This inherited guilt from the 1940's is still strong.


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You born in the states and are against migration?
You wouldn't even exist if there was none (except you're 100% native).
So ask again: are you a moron or not?  Grin

Against non-white migration*

Don't be a roach.

wtf, rafandal  Huh
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November 30, 2018, 09:05:08 AM



Ironically, it was Deutsche Bank that called the police claiming I was money laundering.

This is certainly well deserved.

Karma bitches.
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November 30, 2018, 09:14:10 AM

Time to bury Deutsche Bank.
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November 30, 2018, 09:22:00 AM

"state protected"
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November 30, 2018, 09:35:23 AM

What feels like to be a HODLER during your first bear market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLBJA8SlH2w

WARNING: This content may be disturbing to some crypto audiences.

Feels like a red candle on deep diving. That was not nice for a noob on gliding but that's only for the first time, you'll learn on the process just like being a trader.

Thought to seen that avatar before Roll Eyes
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November 30, 2018, 09:51:39 AM
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http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/m/profile?screenName=0ye0gncqg772o

This is supposedly one of the few Satoshi's profiles.
Check his activity. He just updated his status to "nour".
Someone hacked into his account or..?

Also quite a few 2010 and 2011 addresses never touched are now transferring out bunches of 50 BTC

https://mobile.twitter.com/CryptXO/status/1067521350598885377?s=20
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November 30, 2018, 09:59:09 AM

Dormant address moving btc to binance is not a bullish short term indicator.
There is a possibility this might be Craig Wright in order to sell BTC for BSV. Besides he is about to deliver some sort of "big news" at the coingeek conference in about a couple of hours as far as I am concerned.
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November 30, 2018, 10:03:34 AM

Yeah, could be CSW or could many other early miners.... The amount doesn't seem particularly relevant yet.

About CSW speech, is it supposed to be about this paper of him: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3065857
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November 30, 2018, 10:04:25 AM

Also apparently Satoshi has made friend with this guy 10 hours ago.
http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/m/profile?screenName=g2de6gixt4x0
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November 30, 2018, 10:07:48 AM

Also apparently Satoshi has made friend with this guy 10 hours ago.
http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/m/profile?screenName=g2de6gixt4x0

This is what Bryce Weiner says about it: https://twitter.com/BryceWeiner/status/1068433938387890177
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