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C'on Ibian, we have never in history lived better than we do for the past few decades. Or can you point out any moment in time you would have better preferred to live?

this depends entirely on the metrics you measure your quality of life with.  Also, as always, social class has a great influence.

I think I would be perfectly happy as a petty aristocrat in Roman Britain for example.  For many, a life in a clean and abundant environment with actual unclaimed wonder over the horizon would be far preferable to today's dystopian prison web of interstate highways and satellites.

Honestly I would rather live in hunter gatherer times. Before agriculture started

Suicide was practically non existent among indigenous tribes.  It's clear that modern society is ruining peoples mental health and happiness.
My entire motivation for buying a boat and sailing into a storm is that it is as close as we get to a dangerous "outside the camp" today. And it worked. Stress vastly lowered, health better, everything in my life has improved.
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I start to think that maybe we, humans, set ourselves on some kind of a suicide path.

I don't want to sound like Ibian, but we probably have headed our boat for catastrophe. Not much we can do now though. May as well enjoy Rome before it burns.
I don't understand what makes people subscribe to this narrative. What makes you think that we're heading for disaster when just about everything has been getting better on average for the past however many decades?

I'm more worried about a meteor smashing earth than humans fucking anything up before someone banking on a solution for whatever problem. And I'm not really worried at all.
http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

History repeats. It's much like the seasons, every time is different but the overall pattern remains. Things are shit, people make them better, then things turn to shit again. And the longer peace and prosperity reigns, the harder the fall.

All the signs are there. It will likely be a soviet style collapse, but this time on a large scale.

C'on Ibian, we have never in history lived better than we do for the past few decades. Or can you point out any moment in time you would have better preferred to live?
Which part didn't you understand? The better things are and the longer it goes on the worse it will be when it all ends.
I understand what you're saying, but I'm not aware of a single case in which that stroke true.

Civilizations that imploded generally didn't just up and vanish, they became part of a civilization under a different name. Generally ones that start off better than the imploded generation did, with a higher peak of prosperity than the one before.

If humanity doesn't get instantly wiped out I'll just use what I worked for to relocate and not run into any of the problems you mention, as did others before me for quite literally all of human history.
I'm heading to south america at the earliest opportunity. Within a decade it will be actually dangerous for people like us to stay in the west.
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I'll be the odd man out, I believe in soulmates. Maybe it's just dumb luck or maybe it's something else but I think a lot of things are meant to be.
I'm very open for the idea, because some of the things that happened in my life were just too fucking weird for me to explain.
There have been numerous instances where I just had a weird gut feeling that basically yelled at me to go down a path that turned out pretty much picture perfect.


But I've studied enough statistics to know that it could very well be bullshit, so I'm not too invested in either case. Hoping for a "game over screen" that will clear this up after death (though not as much as for longevity and indefinite life spans).

Same here, once as a child I started daydreaming about Lamborghinis while my brother was driving his gfs car, then my daydream became a vision. I know because I no longer had control of my daydream, and the beautiful Lambo spun out, off the road and down a hill. I snapped out of it, put my seatbelt on, and a few seconds later the little beater we were riding in did exactly that. I was completely fine, not even a bruise or scratch on me.

Now, does anyone here have any idea where the bottom might be found? Or should I start daydreaming and hope I get a vision?

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C'on Ibian, we have never in history lived better than we do for the past few decades. Or can you point out any moment in time you would have better preferred to live?

this depends entirely on the metrics you measure your quality of life with.  Also, as always, social class has a great influence.

I think I would be perfectly happy as a petty aristocrat in Roman Britain for example.  For many, a life in a clean and abundant environment with actual unclaimed wonder over the horizon would be far preferable to today's dystopian prison web of interstate highways and satellites.

Honestly I would rather live in hunter gatherer times. Before agriculture started
But they only lived 40 years if they were lucky.

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Suicide was practically non existent among indigenous tribes.  It's clear that modern society is ruining peoples mental health and happiness.
There wasn't much time to think about suicide is my guess.
How long do we really live today? We spend half our waking time doing things we hate for people we don't like in order to buy stuff we don't need to impress people we don't care about.

Compare that to the sheer meaning behind protecting your family from a random bear. We have lost something important.
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What world are you living in if you say life has never been better?  Ya these iphone and itablets bring true joy to our lives..........................

I'm quite fond of sanitation and central heating...
The romans had that.
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C'on Ibian, we have never in history lived better than we do for the past few decades. Or can you point out any moment in time you would have better preferred to live?

this depends entirely on the metrics you measure your quality of life with.  Also, as always, social class has a great influence.

I think I would be perfectly happy as a petty aristocrat in Roman Britain for example.  For many, a life in a clean and abundant environment with actual unclaimed wonder over the horizon would be far preferable to today's dystopian prison web of interstate highways, satellites and "social media".
If you don't see the horizon beyond which an infinite amount of unclaimed wonders can be found you should study more. I'm overwhelmed with the amount of shit that I would like to know and experience.
Name two... no, three!
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C'on Ibian, we have never in history lived better than we do for the past few decades. Or can you point out any moment in time you would have better preferred to live?

this depends entirely on the metrics you measure your quality of life with.  Also, as always, social class has a great influence.

I think I would be perfectly happy as a petty aristocrat in Roman Britain for example.  For many, a life in a clean and abundant environment with actual unclaimed wonder over the horizon would be far preferable to today's dystopian prison web of interstate highways and satellites.

Honestly I would rather live in hunter gatherer times. Before agriculture started
But they only lived 40 years if they were lucky.

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Suicide was practically non existent among indigenous tribes.  It's clear that modern society is ruining peoples mental health and happiness.
There wasn't much time to think about suicide is my guess.

The Hobbesian "nasty brutish and short" fallacy again.

As I said, social class is always a strong predictor of longevity, not always for the best, sometimes the party lifestyle is so intense the dukes die early, however we really need to put Hobbes out to pasture on this;

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181002-how-long-did-ancient-people-live-life-span-versus-longevity

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If one’s thirties were a decrepit old age, ancient writers and politicians don’t seem to have got the message. In the early 7th Century BC, the Greek poet Hesiod wrote that a man should marry “when you are not much less than 30, and not much more”. Meanwhile, ancient Rome’s ‘cursus honorum’ – the sequence of political offices that an ambitious young man would undertake – didn’t even allow a young man to stand for his first office, that of quaestor, until the age of 30 (under Emperor Augustus, this was later lowered to 25; Augustus himself died at 75). To be consul, you had to be 43 – eight years older than the US’s minimum age limit of 35 to hold a presidency.

In the 1st Century, Pliny devoted an entire chapter of The Natural History to people who lived longest. Among them he lists the consul M Valerius Corvinos (100 years), Cicero’s wife Terentia (103), a woman named Clodia (115 – and who had 15 children along the way), and the actress Lucceia who performed on stage at 100 years old.

Then there are tombstone inscriptions and grave epigrams, such as this one for a woman who died in Alexandria in the 3rd Century BC. “She was 80 years old, but able to weave a delicate weft with the shrill shuttle”, the epigram reads admiringly.
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December 03, 2018, 05:53:59 PM

https://twitter.com/BTCDJS/status/1069233909395800064
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December 03, 2018, 06:00:06 PM

Saw one of those in Thailand, I believe it was. Just walking along the random tourist streets, one restaurant after another, and oh look there is one where you can surf right in front of everyone.
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Dear hodlers,
I was an assidous poster in the "hodl" thread, I hodled for many years, because I know I am a bad trader.

I felt a little bit scared during 2014 or so, but my investment was so little I didn't give really a fuck. During 2017 I turned maniac and I felt overinvested, but I did hodl as I was told to do. During 2018 I felt scared, but I hodled tight my paper wallet as i watched my new fortune fade away.

Now, almost 2019, I turned on my old bitstamp account. I felt emotional when I retyped the password after many time, I know I am a bad trader and I shouldn't do thing like that. But I did.

Today, I bought.

In reality, my fiat is still travelling thought the bank system and my bank will require all today and tomorrow and a part of the day after in order to send the money, but I'm going to buy.

It's a very small sum, but that's the first time since 2013 that I felt that hodling is not enough.

Just checked in to write the mandatory wo post when someone buy or sell Smiley
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December 03, 2018, 06:10:14 PM

In "altcoin news": BCH(ABC) is slowly bleeding out in the BCH-BTC pair, even with bitcoin's deeper and deeper plunge.
I'm milking it again.
SV is winning that fight? You're fucking kidding me?
I'm not saying that!
SV has indeed gained some since the fork, but it doesn't look like it's "winning".

Get the fuck out of here with your SV shilling, this is a serious Bitcoin thread!
No bcash shill here. Quite the contrary.

I just said ABC/SV is more balanced than it was when the fork happened. Their combined value, I believe, is still drifting down slowly and steadily. I am not holding a single SV or ABC. Well, unless you count a few negative ABC's.  Wink

(EDIT) Or is it just another case of dumb wits? Today I'm not getting humor, for some mysterious reason.


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I'm really tempted to sell all my bitcoin just so I can buy bitcoin at these prices.
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C'on Ibian, we have never in history lived better than we do for the past few decades. Or can you point out any moment in time you would have better preferred to live?

this depends entirely on the metrics you measure your quality of life with.  Also, as always, social class has a great influence.

I think I would be perfectly happy as a petty aristocrat in Roman Britain for example.  For many, a life in a clean and abundant environment with actual unclaimed wonder over the horizon would be far preferable to today's dystopian prison web of interstate highways, satellites and "social media".
If you don't see the horizon beyond which an infinite amount of unclaimed wonders can be found you should study more. I'm overwhelmed with the amount of shit that I would like to know and experience.
Name two... no, three!
Every cutting edge of any discipline or art and then some that haven't been conceived of yet. If the (by now almost blatantly obvious) prospect of fully immersive virtual realities doesn't tickle your fancy I don't know what will. The first baby steps have been taken (memory manipulation, trolling the brain, controlling shit with your brain), the rest is a question of time. Space travel is around the corner as well.

And for whoever is lucky enough to hit the threshold for longevity they'll be in for quite a wild ride, be it in VR or by just watching the universe change on very large time scales.

If you're bored or lacking wonder you're not looking.
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Dear hodlers,
I was an assidous poster in the "hodl" thread, I hodled for many years, because I know I am a bad trader.

I felt a little bit scared during 2014 or so, but my investment was so little I didn't give really a fuck. During 2017 I turned maniac and I felt overinvested, but I did hodl as I was told to do. During 2018 I felt scared, but I hodled tight my paper wallet as i watched my new fortune fade away.

Now, almost 2019, I turned on my old bitstamp account. I felt emotional when I retyped the password after many time, I know I am a bad trader and I shouldn't do thing like that. But I did.

Today, I bought.

In reality, my fiat is still travelling thought the bank system and my bank will require all today and tomorrow and a part of the day after in order to send the money, but I'm going to buy.

It's a very small sum, but that's the first time since 2013 that I felt that hodling is not enough.

Just checked in to write the mandatory wo post when someone buy or sell Smiley
Buying at this level sounds like a good trade to me. Just don't try to sell the top while dropping and never go all out. Do cash out some small portions of your profits during the next rally though, that way you'll hopefully be calmer during the next storm.
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C'on Ibian, we have never in history lived better than we do for the past few decades. Or can you point out any moment in time you would have better preferred to live?
this depends entirely on the metrics you measure your quality of life with.  Also, as always, social class has a great influence.

I think I would be perfectly happy as a petty aristocrat in Roman Britain for example.  For many, a life in a clean and abundant environment with actual unclaimed wonder over the horizon would be far preferable to today's dystopian prison web of interstate highways, satellites and "social media".
[working-class lecture deleted]

PROS:
- The difference between you and plebs are HUGE, so you feel [are] privileged.
- You can even abuse lower classes with almost or no consequences. [drivel; actions have consequences, reputations matter]
- Anything else? [hamsters on toast, individual sovereignty]

CONS:
- Your life expectancy is WAY lower than nowadays.... It is very probable you would already be dead. [let's all remember that life expectancy went from three score years and ten in biblical times to 90-odd now. it's just that lots of babies died then because they were shit babies]
- Even if you have way more and better food than the plebs, it is nothing in comparison to what every average joe can have nowadays.[learn something about ancient trade routes, and the delights of scarcity]
- You are always at high risk of: Being ill and die, being attacked and die, being ....... and die. Death is just around every corner.[this is real life and should be on the 'pro' side]
- You can be easily abused by anyone of higher class than you.[nowadays the abuses come from the rich, not the aristocrats]
- Everything technology related: Air conditioning, fridges, cars, planes, ...[live where it's habitable; get the slaves to store some ice; look after your horses; stop fucking flying about to no purpose]
- ...

- And there was no Bitcoin.[not needed back then; your socialist Christian utopia hadn't got off the ground]

[socialist lecture deleted]
If anything, today's problem is that we have everything [we have no freedom like in the old days; we have nothing]
[socialist conclusion deleted]
Maybe a bit harsh on bitserve, but I'm sick to death of people who stand to become aristocrats of the new world still thinking it will be a socialist utopia. It will be feudal-capitalist because bitcoin.

Not sure if you are mocking me, jojo, or both.... But that shit is fucking hilarious! Smiley
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C'on Ibian, we have never in history lived better than we do for the past few decades. Or can you point out any moment in time you would have better preferred to live?

this depends entirely on the metrics you measure your quality of life with.  Also, as always, social class has a great influence.

I think I would be perfectly happy as a petty aristocrat in Roman Britain for example.  For many, a life in a clean and abundant environment with actual unclaimed wonder over the horizon would be far preferable to today's dystopian prison web of interstate highways, satellites and "social media".
If you don't see the horizon beyond which an infinite amount of unclaimed wonders can be found you should study more. I'm overwhelmed with the amount of shit that I would like to know and experience.
Name two... no, three!
Every cutting edge of any discipline or art and then some that haven't been conceived of yet. If the (by now almost blatantly obvious) prospect of fully immersive virtual realities doesn't tickle your fancy I don't know what will. The first baby steps have been taken (memory manipulation, trolling the brain, controlling shit with your brain), the rest is a question of time. Space travel is around the corner as well.

And for whoever is lucky enough to hit the threshold for longevity they'll be in for quite a wild ride, be it in VR or by just watching the universe change on very large time scales.

If you're bored or lacking wonder you're not looking.
Sword Art Online is fantasy. Even a real version would be just that, another game. Also look up TFM on youtube. No more hints.

Life extending technology will come, but not within the next hundred years. Sorry.

Where is the third?
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No. The term is not bitcoin+cash+sv, it is bitcoin+sv. And it is trending currently at 100.

Even if it were 86, you are still making my point for me.

Wrong again breher. It peaked in search popularity on November 26th. You just insist on peddling falsehoods don't you, or else you just sincerely love being wrong about things. To each their own...

Its currently at 29 BTW:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=Bitcoin%20SV

Well, I'll admit I don't know much about Google Trends. But it certainly looks like my claim is indeed correct. Remove superfluous qualifier from the query string:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Bitcoin%20SV

...and the value is 100.

More germane - even if it were 29, you are still making my point for me.
Look at that interest by region, Estonia is far above the US. That's pretty odd right?


We, Estonians, are pretty tech-savvy, what's wrong with high BTC interest? Smiley We were just rated #1 country in the world to have a start-up at, good and hassle free business environment here.



Saw one of those in Thailand, I believe it was. Just walking along the random tourist streets, one restaurant after another, and oh look there is one where you can surf right in front of everyone.

Yeah there are 2 of those in Phuket, one in Kata (has been for years) and another one was opened last January in Patong too.




Had a small surgery today, nothing serious but had to be done as I'm physically active and to avoid problems when older. Had a dream about BTC in the recovery room, where it flash-crashed down to 1800 in a matter of minutes. Lets hope this won't become a reality Cheesy Woke up before I saw any rises after that.


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Inb4 "not a pedophile but trans-age"

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/12/03/world/europe/ap-eu-netherlands-age-change.html
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C'on Ibian, we have never in history lived better than we do for the past few decades. Or can you point out any moment in time you would have better preferred to live?

this depends entirely on the metrics you measure your quality of life with.  Also, as always, social class has a great influence.

I think I would be perfectly happy as a petty aristocrat in Roman Britain for example.  For many, a life in a clean and abundant environment with actual unclaimed wonder over the horizon would be far preferable to today's dystopian prison web of interstate highways, satellites and "social media".
If you don't see the horizon beyond which an infinite amount of unclaimed wonders can be found you should study more. I'm overwhelmed with the amount of shit that I would like to know and experience.
Name two... no, three!
Every cutting edge of any discipline or art and then some that haven't been conceived of yet. If the (by now almost blatantly obvious) prospect of fully immersive virtual realities doesn't tickle your fancy I don't know what will. The first baby steps have been taken (memory manipulation, trolling the brain, controlling shit with your brain), the rest is a question of time. Space travel is around the corner as well.

And for whoever is lucky enough to hit the threshold for longevity they'll be in for quite a wild ride, be it in VR or by just watching the universe change on very large time scales.

If you're bored or lacking wonder you're not looking.
Sword Art Online is fantasy. Even a real version would be just that, another game. Also look up TFM on youtube. No more hints.

Life extending technology will come, but not within the next hundred years. Sorry.

Where is the third?
"Every cutting edge of any discipline or art" is a number so large that we'd spend at least numerous days creating a list.
If you go down a single path long enough you eventually realize that there is absolutely no end in sight to any endeavour that a human could possibly pursue. Quite on the contrary, the more you find the more potential questions you inevitably create.
It doesn't stop here either, the rate at which you create new information (and henceforth objects and experiences) accelerates indefinitely. Hence, a literally infinite amount of potential new discoveries waits anywhere you decide to focus on.


The remainder of my post was just an example which you grossly underestimated. By the time we have that level of VR we'll also be able to process much larger amounts of information and hence be capable of creating an abundance of worlds that humans are incapable of conceiving of today.

Whether or not you choose to call that "just another game" is up to you, but life is virtually indistinguishable from games beyond the fact that you're dumped into this world as opposed to going through a character creation menu or just jumping straight into the game.
And even that is questionable, as even the mere prospect of creating such virtual worlds while also being capable of manipulation memories begs the question: Have we chosen to play the game that we call life and willfully removed any trace of doing so to increase immersion or otherwise alter the experience?
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Dear hodlers,
I was an assidous poster in the "hodl" thread, I hodled for many years, because I know I am a bad trader.

I felt a little bit scared during 2014 or so, but my investment was so little I didn't give really a fuck. During 2017 I turned maniac and I felt overinvested, but I did hodl as I was told to do. During 2018 I felt scared, but I hodled tight my paper wallet as i watched my new fortune fade away.

Now, almost 2019, I turned on my old bitstamp account. I felt emotional when I retyped the password after many time, I know I am a bad trader and I shouldn't do thing like that. But I did.

Today, I bought.

In reality, my fiat is still travelling thought the bank system and my bank will require all today and tomorrow and a part of the day after in order to send the money, but I'm going to buy.

It's a very small sum, but that's the first time since 2013 that I felt that hodling is not enough.

Just checked in to write the mandatory wo post when someone buy or sell Smiley
Buying at this level sounds like a good trade to me. Just don't try to sell the top while dropping and never go all out. Do cash out some small portions of your profits during the next rally though, that way you'll hopefully be calmer during the next storm.

I have the simple life goal to retire asap. I need McAfee's price levels to do this, anything less won't do, but i slowly (very slowly, now that my account was hacked) accumulate and hodl tight any satoshi i can, thinking it will be worth a dollar in future. I know I will probably hold my bag till my death, but I won't have the regret if btc hits the moon in my lifetime.

Hopium comes with a price.
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