Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[Paashaas]

I like sub-satoshi payments with LN

The winning price was the first of several 1 millisatoshi bids (one hundred billionth of one bitcoin). At the time of writing, the US-dollar denominated value of the bid is approximately $0.000000037.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/sold-lightning-network-art-auction-goes-lowest-bidder/

Millisatoshis? So Bitcorn can easily go to over $1m now without running into the problem that 1 Sat = 1 Cent. Weeeeeeeee?

Bitcoin will blow away every payment system on Earth by orders of magnitudes.

 

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[jbreher]

Heres a good question for the WO: Who uses automated trading tools and which ones?

I wouldn't trust any bought automated trading tools (not just because of potential backdoors or keyloggers). Selling them implies that whoever made them doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. If the bot was any good it'd only be a matter of time until they'd be filthy rich, so giving others access to it would eat into their profits.

Hmm. Don't know if I buy that.

The type of trading I have been doing is strictly mechanical. The algorithm is simplicity instantiated. Described somewhere upthread in a few paragraphs. It would be pretty simple to code such a thing up and let it loose, giving the exact same results as my manual management.

Of course, the bot will not respond appropriately to any anomalous exchange events, which seem to happen once or twice a year.

[NJB18]

It seems to me that bitcoin will only rise when most people believe it's going down and shorts are more than longs. This way market makers earn more.

[Phil_S]

stamp, what the... ?

[HI-TEC99]

stamp, what the... ?

They don't call it bearstamp for nothing.

[HairyMaclairy]

stamp, what the... ?

488 looks like a wash trade or bear whale eating a wall in a single bite.

[realr0ach]

Dec 31, 2018 release date:

https://www.moddb.com/mods/h3sw

[bitcoinminer42]

Think we might see a nice cup and handle formation by mid january?

yes... a big fat reverse one 

[realr0ach]

Short Micgoossen's bitcoin funded relationship:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/a8525m/almost_10000_retweets_and_over_22000_likes_this/

[bitserve]

CoinATM end of year stats update: 4061 crypto ATMs installed worldwide


I don't think much will change in the days remaining till end of year, so here is my review of the stats of installed Bitcoin ATMs.

The rate of new installation kept stable for the past months and while it has not reached the exact number required for a full doubling from 1 Jan (2076) to 31 Dec (4061+) it is almost there. It can be considered a doubling. Same happened in both 2016 and 2017.

2019 will probably NOT complete a doubling but more of a linear increase unless something exceptional (ie: a clear bull market or a new major player in the sector) happen that triples current rate of new installations. Nevertheless, the current density of ATMs worldwide is somewhat acceptable/good considering the level of Bitcoin adoption we are at. The presence in major capitals is quite good.

The fees are still quite high for the hardcore bitcoiner to consider a frequent usage though. The convenience might be ok for new users or in the case of a real "need" such as obtaining local FIAT in the destination country when you travel. Fees of around 10% are quite common while there are others with much lower or even higher fees.

I have not seen any case of progressive fee, which would be the way to to incentivise increased usage. Current fees are a deterrent for high amount users, making the online exchange's lower fees much more attractive. As I say, I would consider current fees ok for up to $50 or $100 but some sort of increasing discount the more the amount transacted is would be needed. It would benefit both the users and the operators.

It is possible to envision that IF Bitcoin adoption grows enough (more than one order of magnitude) during the following years some innovator conventional ATM manufacturers would even include crypto functionality into their products. That would be critical adoption milestone that could make the crypto ATM stats skyrocket. I don't see that happening in less than 3-5 years.

The future looks bright also in this field of Bitcoin industry. Infrastructure in general has never been so good with tens of exchanges, thousands of crypto ATM's, variety of hardware wallets and third party custodial offerings, etc.

Fundamentals are there and improving day by day. Let's see what new major milestones gets achieved during next year. Sooner or later price will follow too.

Cheers!

[realr0ach]

That's hot.

[wayna]

Since only BCH and BSV are really mooning, this pump is mainly focused on these two coins.

We could have another pump if BCH/BSV will be sold afterwards.

[bitserve]

Ack! Just looked at the price 1 hour ago...now it is going down...damn it....it's all on me...Ack!

(just don't look, it is always a trap!)

Something to say for 'blissful ignorance' and don't look at BTC price for 5 years, just think of all the angst I would have

lessened in the last 1/2 year alone!

Well, at least you don't REALLY need to look at the price anymore... You have been able to retire early. You have already cashed out enough to carry you until you receive your state retirement, social benefits, plus private pension plan. You still have a stash bigger than most guys here.

You made it FFS!

Just stop always seeing the glass half empty and enjoy your well deserved retirement, bro!

Mostly I agree with you here, bitserve, and for sure, Searing needs a bit of kick in the pants and lecturing on a regular basis on the terms that you just did.

Regarding Searings actual circumstances, just to be more particular, he was in the 100 BTC-ish arena and then cashed out less than 15 BTC and some other stuff(s), and so it is quite likely that he is still in the 85 BTC-ish arena.

Regarding "making it,"  that surely can vary, and there is some relativeness to such considerations about how much of a BTC cushion is necessary to "make it".  For anyone just getting into BTC, getting to 1 BTC might be a difficult first goal, but any of us will need to start somewhere.  Then 2BTC, then 5BTC, then 10BTC, then 21BTC.  Maybe really making it would be to get to over 50 BTC.  I recall when I first started in late 2013, my goal was to get to 30BTC in the next 6 months to year, but I was not rigid with such aspirations because I knew that my ability to reach the goal was partly dependent upon what the BTC price would do in the subsequent months following my creation of such quasi-artificial and personally tailored (and likely moveable) interim goal.

So you have around 21 BTC? You should accumulate some more. Just sayin'.

I think you would be surprised by how many people here don't reach that 21 BTC figure. While there are a few people here that have hundreds or even thousands of BTC I would bet the majority of regulars are in the one or two digits BTC count.

That being said... yeah, we should ALL try to accumulate more during this bear market

[realr0ach]

Since only BCH and BSV are really mooning, this pump is mainly focused on these two coins.

We could have another pump if BCH/BSV will be sold afterwards.

Skip all the bullshit mental gymnastics to try and explain this.  All that matters is that EVERY craptocurrency is nothing but a valueless pump and dump and it's easier to both corner and pump and dump smaller cap coins.

[Biodom]

I did not know that middle class struggles in US are so profound.
Sad.

http://fortune.com/longform/shrinking-middle-class-state/

http://fortune.com/longform/shrinking-middle-class/

http://fortune.com/longform/shrinking-middle-class-math/

Hopefully, bitcoin would be an escape vehicle for some.

[HairyMaclairy]

There are less than 150,000 addresses with more than 10 BTC.

I think there’s probably less than 15,000 people in the world that have more than 10 BTC.

[realr0ach]

There are less than 150,000 addresses with more than 10 BTC.

I think there’s probably less than 15,000 people in the world have more than 10 BTC.

Bitcoin is similar to the SETI program; neither has any reason to exist but still do for some reason.  Bitcoin centralized immediately after release making it totally pointless which is easy to tell from the numbers in your example, and for SETI:

1)  Highly generous Drake-style equations would have life something like 1000 lightyears apart at best

2)  More realistic ones would probably have something like 1 species per galaxy

3)  Radio waves follow inverse square law (1/d2) so they'd need to be blasting radio waves with dyson sphere style power

4)  They probably would not even use radio waves

[bitserve]

r0ach, one day you will regret not having taken advantage of your "involvement" in Bitcoin to make more money. In fact, if you are not regretting it already is because you are as much stubborn as you seem to be.

You switched from being somewhat bullish in Bitcoin when there were less reasons to be, to a full anti Bitcoin position. You should ask yourself if the main reason for that is because you made the bad decision to cash out into silver and you are unable to accept that it was a dumb decision.

Answer me HONESTLY this simple question:

What has more probabilities of a 10x (in price and adoption) in the next following years Bitcoin or silver?

Don't try to evade the question talking about costs of production, pyramid of money, bad actors, manipulation, pump and dumps, decentralisation, blah blah... Just an honest answer to my question.

[JayJuanGee]

There are less than 150,000 addresses with more than 10 BTC.

I think there’s probably less than 15,000 people in the world that have more than 10 BTC.

There are all kinds of threads on this forum discussing bitcoin distribution, and trying to figure out how many peeps are into bitcoin based on a variety of factors, including bitcoin addresses and accounts on exchanges, and then also trying to figure out how many bitcoins they might have. 

Surely the number of bitcoin addresses is one of the most difficult matters to suss out, and probably in the beginning of bitcoin there was more repeated use of single addresses, but the current recommended best practice seems to be mixing up your bitcoin addresses, including another related dynamic that multiple addresses may also be used within wallets, yet most of the wallets do not give a lot of control over sending from multiple addresses in the one wallet, which can sometimes show bitcoin addresses that are connected (and therefore owned by the same person). 

I personally have probably used in the hundreds of bitcoin addresses (no need to be more specific to make the point), so a lot of mine are completely empty - though showing a few transactions in their history.  Seems to be a bit of a puzzle to figure out distribution, and some reliance on voluntary surveys (people sometimes lie, too) might give some decent indications of whether people know about bitcoin (and what they know might be another challenge?), whether they have participated in buying bitcoin, and/or whether they intend to participate in buying bitcoin in the future.

[Biodom]

There are less than 150,000 addresses with more than 10 BTC.

I think there’s probably less than 15,000 people in the world that have more than 10 BTC.

15K sounds like a lower bound.

I would say that 30-50K is more likely (each having 3-5 wallets of at least 10BTC).
Probably not more than 5K individuals with more than 100 BTC and not more than 500-800 with more than 1000BTC
https://medium.com/@BambouClub/are-you-in-the-bitcoin-1-a-new-model-of-the-distribution-of-bitcoin-wealth-6adb0d4a6a95

I am actually struck by the fact that there are only about 5K or so with more than 100BTC (16K wallets, but each person most likely has a few, so 3 seems to be a reasonable denominator).
In comparison, there are about 150K individuals with fiat wealth above $50mil (UHNW).
Source: credit suisse global wealth report (2018)