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Question: Next Bubble Top (resulting in a new ATH):
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>$350,000 - 13 (11%)
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Bitfinex ties up with Bitrefill to allow users to shop with bitcoin and pay with Lightning Network.

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December 04, 2019, 03:08:19 PM

1. Transmission defective on my car: $350 (gone)
2. lots of other stuff that went wrong today
3. lost time fixing these things, that's why i finally was
4. MISSING THE DIP

Thanks, Karma. Whatever i have done to deserve this, i will pay it back to you  Angry Undecided

EDIT: Bought for a mere $100 now, count to three and we'll get a giant red candle. Guaranteed.

1) You haven't been eaten by a grue. That's pretty good.
2) $350 for a car transmission repair is cheap. What's wrong with it?

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Gradually climbing to better Bitcoin places, adoption will certainly help ..

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"How would you classify yourself right now?"

Hmmm.... Panic hodler?
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December 04, 2019, 03:48:23 PM

I like that belt buckle but dunno if I could swing the P.I.M.P look.  Jot me down for a bookend if you do a run.

Not as it is, that steel will surface rust.
Gold plated would be gaudy.







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@ Hueristic: deleted it because Betfair is very legit, I mean every sports bettor in the world know that. Trustpilot is not always reliable.
1Xbet on the other hand is a big scam. Just yesterday: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3577865-1xbet-refuse-pay-winning-beg.html

The proper act would have been to post this in your self moderated thread rather than delete it, it makes you look scammy. And I doubt anyone here trusts you. I did alot more digging into Betfair before posting that link. It has seized many accounts for no reason given and claims it can close accounts at its own discretion without reason. I also read many posts from professional poker players about it ripping people off. I have no intention of arguing what sites are safer than others I just add some info and let others make decisions for themselves. When people delete those links I immediately believe the worst.

BTW, Betfair makes you pay back if they posted the wrong odds, there is a thread on it I found while researching it. I have no faith in any odds they place are correct. So you posting an outrageous spread by them just makes it look like a honeypot. Especially when they are known to reverse winnings. Feel FREE To Google THAT.


It's funny you chose one rated "D" to start a thread about when there are literally pages of rated D to rated F sites it stinks of paid FUd.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/blacklist/

And its funny you point out there are 10 reports of seized monies from that scamsite xbet but I have found many times more than that on betfair thats rated A-.

I don't trust any of these sites and think they are all paid for ratings and its a DYOR issue.

And people like you that try to hide the facts are scammy it was obvious your post was intended to drive traffic to Betfair, I don't doubt you are being paid for subversive actions against competitors and to drive traffic.

We are not fools here so fuck off.

I'll not waste my time on this again, go back to your self moderated thread to find suckers to scam.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=LM3nXdedAZGRggfewK64AQ&q=SBR+betfair&oq=SBR+betfair&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i8i30.428443.429539..430274...1.0..0.315.660.1j2j0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i7i30j0i8i7i30j0i7i5i30.gXh8zcK4fDo&ved=0ahUKEwjX47OTpJzmAhWRiOAKHV6gCxcQ4dUDCAo&uact=5
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@ Hueristic: deleted it because Betfair is very legit, I mean every sports bettor in the world know that. Trustpilot is not always reliable.
1Xbet on the other hand is a big scam. Just yesterday: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3577865-1xbet-refuse-pay-winning-beg.html

The proper act would have been to post this in your self moderated thread rather than delete it, it makes you look scammy. And I doubt anyone here trusts you. I did alot more digging into Betfair before posting that link. It has seized many accounts for no reason given and claims it can close accounts at its own discretion without reason. I also read many posts from professional poker players about it ripping people off. I have no intention of arguing what sites are safer than others I just add some info and let others make decisions for themselves. When people delete those links I immediately believe the worst.

BTW, Betfair makes you pay back if they posted the wrong odds, there is a thread on it I found while researching it. I have no faith in any odds they place are correct. So you posting an outrageous spread by them just makes it look like a honeypot. Especially when they are known to reverse winnings. Feel FREE To Google THAT.


It's funny you chose one rated "D" to start a thread about when there are literally pages of rated D to rated F sites it stinks of paid FUd.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/blacklist/

And its funny you point out there are 10 reports of seized monies from that scamsite xbet but I have found many times more than that on betfair thats rated A-.

I don't trust any of these sites and think they are all paid for ratings and its a DYOR issue.

And people like you that try to hide the facts are scammy it was obvious your post was intended to drive traffic to Betfair, I don't doubt you are being paid for subversive actions against competitors and to drive traffic.

We are not fools here so fuck off.

I'll not waste my time on this again, go back to your self moderated thread to find suckers to scam.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=LM3nXdedAZGRggfewK64AQ&q=SBR+betfair&oq=SBR+betfair&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i8i30.428443.429539..430274...1.0..0.315.660.1j2j0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i7i30j0i8i7i30j0i7i5i30.gXh8zcK4fDo&ved=0ahUKEwjX47OTpJzmAhWRiOAKHV6gCxcQ4dUDCAo&uact=5


I am a sports bettor since 2011 and have been working in this field in years 2013-2016, I know a bit about the industry.

Betfair has probably some history of funds confiscating but most probably because of double accounts detected or fraud attempts. They are licensed in UK, you will even find bad reviews of bet365 which is the most trust worthy bookmaker along with Pinnacle (Pinnacle being my all time favorite).

Comparing Betfair with 1xbet is absolutely hilarious, first time I see this on the Internet and I read plenty of complaints about bookmakers.

I don't work for Betfair but the best way is to check SBR forum, you never see any complaint about them, complaints about 1xbet are all over the Internet. As I said previously TrustPilot is not always reliable. For example Neteller which is a pillar in the wallet industry, has bad review here: https://fr.trustpilot.com/review/www.neteller.com it is rated 1.5 stars out of 5, yet I never met any people being scammed by Neteller or Skrill.


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It's funny you chose one rated "D" to start a thread about when there are literally pages of rated D to rated F sites it stinks of paid FUd.

Simply because 1xbet is by far the most well known, it is one of the biggest around (sadly).



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Bought £500 worth at $71xx.

Who sold at the bottom Cheesy
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December 04, 2019, 04:10:09 PM

Comparing Betfair with 1xbet is absolutely hilarious, first time I see this on the Internet and I read plenty of complaints about bookmakers.

I am not comparing them you are making a red herring argument.

You have either ignored or just completely missed my point so rather than waste my time with you welcome to the ignore list.

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Simply because 1xbet is by far the most well known, it is one of the biggest around (sadly).

This may be true and i'm not willing to waste my time on it.
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December 04, 2019, 04:48:49 PM

Good morning WO!
Observing @ $7,449
It's better and this is fine.

Who sold at the bottom Cheesy
R0ach and Bossian
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December 04, 2019, 04:55:24 PM

So everyone has bitstamp window open?

It was only $1225.97 away! 🤪

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December 04, 2019, 05:30:13 PM

Good morning WO!
Observing @ $7,449
It's better and this is fine.

Who sold at the bottom Cheesy
R0ach and Bossian
can't speak for roach (thought he didn't own any btc anyway?) but I certainly didn't!  Tongue still have my 1.72 that I will sell at 9k (minus 0.05 btc because of the infamous bet).
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December 04, 2019, 05:31:50 PM
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Bitcoin this! Bitcoin that! Allright STOP! I don't wanna hear a word about bitcoin anymore!

Yep. There's altogether too much talk about Bitcoin around here.

We all know it's not about Bitcoin. It's about blockchain.

Bitcoin isn't real. There's no central office, no CEO, no website. It didn't even have an ICO like real cryptos. How can you trust anything that wasn't pre-mined by a real company?

They shouldn't have called this Bitcointalk. It should be called Blockchaintalk.

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Bitcoin this! Bitcoin that! Allright STOP! I don't wanna hear a word about bitcoin anymore!

Yep. There's altogether too much talk about Bitcoin around here.
I think it's time to join cryptotalk and altcoin forum for you too. 🤪
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December 04, 2019, 05:36:50 PM

Good morning WO!
Observing @ $7,449
It's better and this is fine.

Who sold at the bottom Cheesy
R0ach and Bossian
can't speak for roach (thought he didn't own any btc anyway?) but I certainly didn't!  Tongue still have my 1.72 that I will sell at 9k (minus 0.05 btc because of the infamous bet).

Dude, don’t sell at 9k, man. Play the long game, trust me.
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In other news, it would appear our Bob has a new best friend!  Cheesy
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206829.0
Have fun Bob. Just remember you can't "win" when it comes to interacting with this particular member. However, you can entertain the rest of us, and we appreciate it.

LOL. Zero fucks given on my part. Not touching the poop further. I did my part to shine a light on a blotch to these forums in that other thread.

You can't argue with a mental illness. Takes being treated, having one, to know... TBH  Undecided

EDIT: Also, dude making a self-moderated thread is just the icing on the cake, so, yeah. Ain't got time for that shit.
EDIT2: And for clarity, regarding mental illness issues, I am on record for being in self-admitted (now maintenance) therapy, treated for depression and anxiety disorder over 20 years now. What's the big deal ? I'm living a much more productive and happy life now due to the wonders of modern medicine. None of us makes it out of life alive. Get all the help you can, to make the most of it.
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December 04, 2019, 05:37:46 PM
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What would really drive worldwide adoption?

Biometric scans and mobile devices, maybe?
This means everybody must have a smartphone or device that is able to process QR codes and do OCR (scan bitcoin addresses), which is additionally offering a retina-scan camera, fingerprint sensor, saliva-analyzer or similar, to make sure that only the owner of the device can access the private key, decrypt the seed, handle transactions (and so on).

As cool and clever BTC might be, as hard and risky it is to use for average joe. He wants to flick an rfid card, maybe enter a short pin code, but that's it. Everything more inconvenient will scare him off, and average jane even more. Simple interfaces using secure backend solutions.

Don't call me names, i'm just brainstorming.
Who wants to join?

Brainstorming has a simple rule: No criticism allowed.
Instead of "You can't do X, because Y..." it's "To achieve X, you need to realize Y first, (which is dependent on A,B,C...)"
It's strictly constructive.

Anybody in?

EDIT: Maybe there's an existing thread, please point me to it if you know. If not and this starts to get somewhere, i'd start a new thread and ask the mod to move over existing comments.

Might be a good topic for a new thread.., especially if you don't want the questions and answers to get lost in the mess...  and of course, sometimes brainstorming does involve criticisms... these here are the interwebs.. not necessarily always the safest of spaces, and does it really matter if people criticize from time to time?... you fucker.

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Always appreciate you opinion, but brainstorming is not about criticism at all.

Maybe at some point I am going to lose my patience about this topic?  I was attempting to give some benefit of the doubt, but the more that I think about it, it seems that the way that you are framing the whole matter is another thread rather than this thread.

There are already rules in this thread, which are pretty much wide open and criticism is allowed, so you are attempting participants in your discussion to agree to a more restrictive set of rule of politeness blah blah blah... Which seems almost that you want the powers of a moderated thread within this thread that is moderated by someone else (largely infofront in this case).



It's a process of contribution and exploring (inter)dependencies within complex systems.

There is a need for a common goal, and you seem to be presuming that there is some kind of common goal, which has already been mentioned to you by another poster.



However, how dare you believe i don't appreciate criticism? It's an expression of honesty, freedom of speech and integrity (at least).

Expressing these concepts in a weird way... it is like you learned about a concept in school and you are trying to apply it to the real world, or at least to this thread... like a little experiment.


Well, just to make it clear, debating and criticism is necessary. I never blamed anyone for criticism and i'll never try to.
Shutting up is much worse. Except you are realr0ach, then it's just fine as a default mode.

Even Roach, with his usually dumbass ideas, says something contributory, once in a while, but the vast majority is garbage and for that reason it is frequently better to just call him names.. but even with regular posters, sometimes it is more clear to make the point by calling them dumbass or their ideas.. sometimes we might reach the wrong conclusion about some members in terms of their genuineness, but if they get on some kind of dumb kick, then devolution of the conversation to personal attacks might create a much clear message.  

In other words, you cannot presume everyone on the interwebs is genuine in their attempts to contribute to solving problems, even if you outline the problems in your quasi-patronizing assumptive ways of your earlier posts.



Still, brainstorming is, by definition, a little different to discussing.

Yeah, if you try to do this in your own thread, then you worry that no one will participate, that is why you are pushing this theoretical nonsense on us, no?

We can brainstorm or discuss all the fuck that we like, and if you have some ideas, then you can present them as either brainstorming or discussing or whatever you want, but when you are trying to prescribe that responders should respond within your constructed framework because it is supposedly superior mode for achieving some presumed common objective, then you either have to get their cooperation or maybe they will just tell you to fuck off, which is breaking your artificial attempts to impose such restrictive guidelines.


The bottom line: If we want average joe to put his money into bitcoin,

Yes, many of us want orange coin  to go up, but whatever are we trying to rush adoption because we have some kind of vision?  That is what the BIG blockers, bitcoin naysayers, no coiners and alt coin pumpeners strive to suggest that there is something wrong with bitcoin, and I am not going to go along with that kind of presumption...

Anyhow, there are constantly people working on all kinds of developments, and if they can build a great user interface, then there could likely be monetary and even fame incentives for them to come up with killer apps... or whatever are the needed developments.. Otherwise, on a personal level, as an investor in bitcoin, I am not complaining that the royal "we" are moving too slow and blah blah blah.. because bitcoin already has all kinds of killer use cases, and it is quite amazing the incentives that are developed for security, to make it really difficult and expensive to attack it... of course not impossible, but can there be enough incentives for governments to try to get together and coordinate attacks against it, and maybe they might try, but governments are made of individuals too, and they have wack-a-mole problemas when they are trying to figure out ways to coordinate within macro-systems that seem to be quite competitive, too... which bitcoin has been built around.. and just a matter of time, and who cares about these little gripes about average joe blah blah blah.. if average joe is smart enough, he can already use bitcoin to his advantage to move millions of dollars and no one can say anything about it (not that average joe has millions of dollars in his basement in the form of gold that needs to be converted.... hahahahaha).



it has to be convenient and safe for him to do so.

People working on things, so I don't seen how it "has to be" anything that you are suggesting.  In other words, it is already convenient and safe enough to provide value.  If you or anyone wants to work on some improvements, then get to work... maybe you can make some money in the process, too... or become famous for improving bitcoin's user interface.


If you think i don't understand "adoption" correctly in this regard,

Everyone has their perspective, and their prioritization of what they believe is important.  I have heard a lot of this bullshit that bitcoin needs mass adoption blah blah blah.. and it is just misleading, and fuck all if some people believe that mass adoption needs to be rushed... it will come when it comes, and there should be some assurances that systems are continuing to be built that are going to allow more and more mass adoption.  Perhaps one of the frustrations for bitcoin HODLers is to see that the security of bitcoin could allow for a 100x price increase, and still be secure, but even there are issues with that, so we cannot just get 100x of growth, it is almost as if the cost of mining have to go up to some extent, otherwise if the cost is $3k to $10k to mine bitcoins, then everyone and his brother is going to be jumping into mining bitcoin if the bitcoin price is $500k or higher.... so sometimes, there are a variety of factors that will keep the price from going up faster than can be sustained.

I saw one of the charts that showed bitcoin prices at $1million by 2032, and that seems more sustainable than reaching it by 2026, but you never know in bitcoin.  We are likely to get spikes that are similar to past spikes, even though I suspect that the severity of the spikes might become less extreme as market cap goes up, even though with rising market cap, there are also much BIGGER financial players that can cause some of the same kind of extremes in BTC price volatility that we have already historically seen.

please correct me with your unique writing style (which i love, but gives me a hard time to interpret correctly what you mean, sometimes. Hard lessons for a non native speaker). #nohomo

Hm?  I wonder if I am going to have a hard time hiding in a crowd?  If someone says, could you write a paragraph on this topic, and as soon as I start writing, I am identified.... Fuckmy life, my opsec has become worser and worser than those micgeese. #nohomo.
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