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Question: Nov. 18 closing price:
<$35,000 - 4 (9.1%)
$35,000-$35,500 - 1 (2.3%)
$35,500-$36,000 - 4 (9.1%)
$36,000-$36,500 - 4 (9.1%)
$36,500-$37,000 - 4 (9.1%)
$37,000-$37,500 - 3 (6.8%)
$37,500-$38,000 - 4 (9.1%)
$38,000-$38,500 - 5 (11.4%)
$38,500-$39,000 - 2 (4.5%)
$39,000-$39,500 - 1 (2.3%)
$39,500-$40,000 - 0 (0%)
>$40,000 - 12 (27.3%)
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January 31, 2020, 04:19:16 AM

Wise words and I mostly agree with everything you said. Enough of thread hijack I guess.

Let's just fucking moon (ie: $50K-$100K) sometime during the next 5 years and just fuck all this philosophy about "need"... It won't probably be that easy though.

As The Dude would say: Going to HODLsleep now Tongue

I think philosophy that is kind of based on how much we expect the BTC price to go up.. or if it does not is pretty damned relevant to this thread, and it surely would seem that $50k to $100k is doable within the next 5 years... even though we know that we have to prepare for worser case scenarios.. such as flat for five years or even worse, but Up seems slightly greater odds than flat or down.. especially if we are in the 5-ish years ballpark of expectations...

With bitcoin, one thing is how much up, and another thing is what is the sustainability aspect... so the down after up portion of it.

By the way, I seem to be kind of repeating myself (what else is new?), but I am thinking that our odds for the bottom of $6,425 bottom being in might even be getting above 50/50...

Remember we had a $3,124 bottom, and then people were worried about sub-$5k.. which also seems to becoming less and less likely that we are going to see sub $5k.. ... and gosh-golly.. maybe $6,425 is looking greater likelihoods of being in...

I know, I know, I know, we were just at $7,175 at new years, so that is only 30 days ago.

It would NOT be outrageous to go back to $7,175 and retest it, but even that $7,175 does not have to be retested in order to be able to go up...   We do not have to have down before UP... we could have Up before down... or up before more up.... . (not counting staying above $9k as being significantly enough to be labelled as "down" in my own chosen definition of what is "down").

I do believe that it would be quite unlikely to break through $10k and to stay above $10k without getting some down.. so there is that, too.
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my bank has no issues with coinbase. yes i use coinbase, since 2013. never had any issues at all. the amounts ive moved have surely caught the banks attention as any individual transfers over 10,000 USD get flagged. and i dont try to hide them (called layering? i forget. theres a term when avoiding hitting the 10k limit, like 9700, 8500 etc). so i do 10k on the dot chunks.

I never paid any attention to this.
If i needed 8k, that's what i withdrew; when needed 2k, withdrew that.
When I wanted a bigger chunk (a bit above 10k), then I did it too.
I can recall once being asked about it (by the bank) and since that withdrawal was for either mortgage or car, that was, indeed, my answer, not surprisingly.

Now, if we hit a serious value for btc like 100-200K/btc, then, I am afraid, even those who have a single digit corn for cashing out would have some 'splaining to do. In fact, regular checking is not even equipped to handle large cash loads inasmuch as FDIC insurance in US only covers first $250K. Investment banks might be a better destination, but don't take this as an advice. I have no idea if this is true (never tried).
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- Over 3000 new suspected cases of coronavirus in China; 9821 in total, 25,060 cases.

- Death toll grows from 132 to 213.

- Russia and North-Korea closing borders with China.

- First 2 cases confirmed in Italy, Germany confirms 5th case.

- 6,000 quarantined aboard Italian cruise ship.

- Virus arrives in the Philippines.

- Airliners suspending flights to/from mainland China.

- WHO declares global pandemic.

- China reported largest one-day jump in fatalities.

- South Korea and U.S confirms first human-to-human transmission.
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January 31, 2020, 05:06:35 AM

I need BTC to go to US$ 75000 in 15 years.
Will it go that high ?

Yes
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January 31, 2020, 05:08:42 AM
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Not going to waste my last sM on legends or quasi-legends, but at least some WOsM is due. Here's a helping of noteworthy posts, in no particular order. A complement to JSRAW's work for people catching up, and a tip of the hat to Toxic.



Man, I cant end this post cleverly.
You do that a lot when posting in humor - but this time you aren't.
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One of the reasons to check the WO at least once in a while - V8's findings... (This is one of the most bullish among recent posts IMO.) (Did I mention nice outfit BTW?)
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There's a thread listing the banks that hate Bitcoin the most. Fortunately there's still a few in it that will do business with bitcoiners.

List of Bitcoin Hostile (and friendly) Banks
... or other nuggets of practical, useful info.
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WOW...The dude is getting wise beyond his years... for some strange reason...

The dude abides, the dude got his moments.... seawaves and sea smells tingling the nostrils only better writing can follow
30y in the rearview mirror and dudes turn into poets, even. With some help from a few cervezinhas maybe.
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What I mean is... And I think you may be able to answer it.... WHAT IS NEED, JJG?

1) Since I am not a bot, I need air in order to live.

2) I need to make another $1,000 before the end of the month, otherwise I am getting evicted.

3) in order to make "fuck you" status, in accounting for my other assets, anticipated income and anticipated expenses, I need to attain the value of a sustainable amount of between $1.5 million and $2 million in my bitcoin holdings.
Bitserve tries to unleash the wordy monster, but the bot breathes air and keeps it reasonable.

To be honest I expected a more detailed answer from you.
I: I "need" x amount of bitcoin for hooker a, b and c

II:  I "need" y amount  of bitcoin for lambo d, e and f

III:  I need z amount of bitcoin for blow quantities m, n and o

-snip-

you are harassing me (aka trolling me)

Probably money does not buy happiness, but it is sure nice if you do not have to worry about doing certain kinds of work, but it seems that if you hire someone to do it, then you have other problems... takes a while to gain trust, even if you have someone to help you out... because sometimes they will end up coming into your space.. so then you need BIGGER space for them to NOT cross into your space.. but then you draw attention to yourself for how much space and nice things that you have, so then you feel like you cannot have so many nice things because you might get robbed, or $5 wrench attacked.

So, the balance is tough, and probably just have to be happy with what you got.. even the managing of how much to pay person 1, 2, or 3, but then if person 3 is helping you with your finances, then they know too much?  Maybe it is more helpful to get rich when you are younger, and then you have more time to adapt to not adding too many things too quickly?   Start out with a personal assistant? Maybe I don't really need a personal assistant?
He tries again. The ensuing reply is deservedly longer and makes a lot of sense. Personal space, things, wealth, services - be it housekeeping, security, or stress release.

+1 for the trolling @bitserve
+1 for the sense @JJG


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January 31, 2020, 05:51:37 AM

14 day incubation period?

... next 2 weeks are critical.
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- Over 3000 new suspected cases of coronavirus in China; 9821 in total, 25,060 cases.

- Death toll grows from 132 to 213.

- Russia and North-Korea closing borders with China.

- First 2 cases confirmed in Italy, Germany confirms 5th case.

- 6,000 quarantined aboard Italian cruise ship.

- Virus arrives in the Philippines.

- Airliners suspending flights to/from mainland China.

- WHO declares global pandemic.

- China reported largest one-day jump in fatalities.

- South Korea and U.S confirms first human-to-human transmission.

Below prior predicted trend, but not by much.
Still....

One of the reasons to check the WO at least once in a while - V8's findings... (This is one of the most bullish among recent posts IMO.) (Did I mention nice outfit BTW?)
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Didn't get that.
The article talks to me like I am a child.
Where is bitcoin there, exactly?
AFAIU, Strike has a LN node, you simply deposit cash from your bank account or debit card into Strike (as a prepay?), strike then "takes" your cash, 'virtually' exchanges it for btc in their "channels", use their channels to pay your LN invoice, debits your cash. They interact with btc, you don't (for payment). Is it a "good thing"? I dunno. Maybe I misunderstood their setup, but what exactly the following means?
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Bank accounts and debit cards can now speak to nodes all over the world, and nodes all over the world can now speak to bank accounts and debit cards.
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January 31, 2020, 06:25:39 AM
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Below prior predicted trend, but not by much.
Still....

China is massively under reporting, their culture has divergent normative mores around truth telling.
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Ehi!
One of us fellow WOer has just been interviewed!

https://twitter.com/staciewaleyko/status/1222940338442113024?s=12

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Bitcoin fixes that, by the way.



https://twitter.com/staciewaleyko/status/1222940338442113024?s=12

 
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January 31, 2020, 07:01:00 AM

Good morning and good luck to all WO friends in the UK, it will be interesting to read your comments in the coming days.
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January 31, 2020, 07:04:30 AM

Well, talked to the bank today about "selling the house for bitcoin", or to be more precise to take out a second mortgage, restructure my debts and "get some liquidity" as they put it. Good talk, and it's all settled. I'll be paying a llittle less each month, will have a substantial amount to invest in btc put in my account, and will also have a fixed interest rate for 20 years. Good times.

Of course they asked about what I wanted to the with "the liquidity", so i said I was looking to have some cash ready for when this whole cardhouse comes tumbling down, and invest in btc. That was a good enough explanation for them.

Nice bank. Crazy system. 1.7%.
My bank kicked me out simply for having bitcoins. They demanded information about whatever transactions I make. Obviously I told them to fuck off, and that was that.

Had I gone along with it, they would eventually have pushed for more. Access to monitor my wallets, maybe eventually direct access to them or demanding that they hold them in custody. Be careful.

They didn't kick you "simply for having" Bitcoins, which is surely not their fucking business.

You were using *THEIR* (lol) bank account to run something similar to an unlicensed money exchange business... without even being a business. And continued doing so after they warned you.

You were lucky they didn't report you lol

"Banking" FIAT (and even cash in some instances) has strict rules on what you can and what you can't do. If you are gonna use, at least try to not mix it with REAL MONEY or they will get angry and suspicious about you.
Yes and no. I did some private trading with other individuals. Which, as you say, is none of their fucking business. All transactions having to do with them was to and from Kraken, which is perfectly legal. And they never actually gave me a reason for why I was kicked. All I have to go by is their actions.
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January 31, 2020, 07:13:14 AM

Do we really want to send them to coinbase? I understood they've been naughty in assisting agressive nutrino chainalyasis/analytic tactics.

Genuinely curious. What _exactly_ do you think they are doing to aid chainalysis? Divulging private customer data?
I'm not accusing them of anything illegal however since Coinbase acquired Neutrino, now they have the largest on ramp and customer base with chainalysis rolled together. Not only is it a honeypot for leaks, its recreating the same privacy invasive, centralized practices familiar in today's banking. While understanding the merits of such, I prefer to support smaller privacy focused on ramps in efforts to avoid ultimately enslaving the population with an 'all seeing' Gov. Bitcoin.
To answer your question directly, Coinbase is consolidating power to break and prevent privacy in Bitcoin.  #deletecoinbase

So you have no proof that they are using such data to nefarious ends? That's certainly what it appears you are saying.

Your closing statement is topologically identical to 'Google/Amazon/Facebook is consolidating power to break and prevent privacy in all aspects of life'. Which could be a true statement, but I bet there is not one in a hundred persons reading this that does not deal with at least one of those organizations from time to time.
You' are correct, no proofs from me. I'm unable to afford the luxury or patience to await proof so I must rely on intuition, experience and history (Sometimes referred to as logic) If that condemns me to your special snowflake pile, oh well, I guess I'll have to live with that Roll Eyes

Nope: here's my reply to P_Shep wherein I used that specific terminology:

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So, no offense taken, and no defense presented. Unless you consider trying to nail down wishy-washy accusations to concrete statements of facts as 'defense'. In which case, I'll just put you in the 'special snowflake' pile. Which would make me sad. I've not previously thought of you as such.

Things had gotten out of hand, with my genuine curiosity being presented as it was some sort of defense of nefarious actors - essentially accusing me of malfeasance. My use of the term was a perhaps-too-dramatic way to point out that I did nothing of the sort. Unless I missed it, P_Shep has not responded. Which I take as a sign that s/he realizes the characterization was unfair. Tacitly admitting such, no special pile for P_Shep either.

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As a society we've already given our private lives to Facebook, our data to Google and our shopping habits to Amazon.  I'm guilty but unprepared to drive the final nail into the coffin relinquishing our financial privacy simply because I was duped into the previous.
 I'm not sure what point you'd like to make with your closing statement. Are you saying that since we've already given some of our information to these corps, giving the rest shouldn't be a problem? Perhaps until proven otherwise?   

I guess I was just saying that everything comes with some sort of tradeoffs. On the net -- what with no proof of malfeasance on Coinbase's part -- they're still the exchange that I feel best about dealing with. Even more so since the only alternative given in response to my suggestion of others to look into hit a brick wall of data collection right off the bat.
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January 31, 2020, 07:15:40 AM

Do we really want to send them to coinbase? I understood they've been naughty in assisting agressive nutrino chainalyasis/analytic tactics.

Genuinely curious. What _exactly_ do you think they are doing to aid chainalysis? Divulging private customer data?

Yes

Perhaps. Examples would be helpful. Other than that required by law, of course.
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January 31, 2020, 07:38:12 AM

Let’s see now, off the top of my head:

A history of bad behavior, including admitting that their service providers were selling that data?

Hiring a team that worked for oppressive Middle East regimes to silence dissent?

Holding Bcash lol hostage for three months to pump the price?

A history of insider trading?  


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January 31, 2020, 07:39:28 AM

[rip coinbase pro users]



[insert volitility here, coinbase close gap: $9343]
Coinbase traders fucked over again . Hilarious

Yeah. You'd think they'd at least let us know in advance that the scheduled maintenance was gonna happen.

oh.... wait ...

They did.
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January 31, 2020, 07:42:55 AM

I saw may dad wheeled away yesterday, what if that was the last time I saw him?


I hope it isn't, Globb0...  Stay strong.
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I saw may dad wheeled away yesterday, what if that was the last time I saw him?

Make the most of the time you have with him.

Don't be angry and bitter, forgive and forget.

Tell him now what you feel, and how much you love and care for him.

There will be a time when you can't. And it will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Speaking from experience.

Now is already the time I cant. He is in quarantine lockdown.

Its OK it was only an example.


*edit* thanks everyone for kind thoughts. I am waiting patiently like the faithful dog that I am.
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Let’s see now, off the top of my head:

A history of bad behavior, including admitting that their service providers were selling that data?

So they replaced them.

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Hiring a team that worked for oppressive Middle East regimes to silence dissent?

And is said team still silencing dissent in the Middle East?

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Holding Bcash lol hostage for three months to pump the price?

'Hostage'. You funny. Under the circumstances, waiting for demonstrated value before acking seems reasonable.

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A history of insider trading?  

_What_ history of insider trading?
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fight is still ongoing. but we have a new AYH (Bitstamp) at $9570.0. weekly close (UTC) is important.


(*) Bitstamp data timeframe 2h


in lower timeframe fight for 61.8% retracement level of the last up swing is ongoing. we will see.


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