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Bitcoin available in Australia post offices. Smiley

Bitcoin has been available at many post offices in the EU for years -> BTC Post offices

But if you want a real paradise for all crypto lovers come to Croatia and visit BitcoinStore, buy/sell crypto without any ID/KYC in the amount of 15000 HRK (2000 EUR) daily. If even that is not enough, hold your coins for at least 2 years after purchase and pay exactly 0% tax after sale Cool

If I was croatian law enforcement, I would put a spy cam on that shop.

If someone is coming 10 times or more a year, start looking at how (s)he makes his/her money.

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Your post, aesma, caused me to look at the link one more time, and even though they are called "Bitcoin Store" they surely offer a lot of shitcoins, too (around 50 of them or so?).  Don't want to get into those shitcoin details, yet any member could peruse the "rate" link and see the numerous shitcoins that are being offered.

Seems the website portal has a $200 limit for purchasing without an account. I haven't tried the site at all though, just an observation.
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However, the 2k EUR/day should be more than enough for everybody

You gotta be kidding? 2k/day is defo not enough for hookers/lambo/blow type of lifestyle...  Grin

It's called delayed gratification, serveria...

Personally, I am not currently consuming my BTC, but I would imagine anyone who even invests around 2k euro per bi-weekly would likely be in a decent position for hooker, lambos and blow consumption with a 5-year investment timeline after their BTC purchases.. even though we know that the later that you get into BTC, then the more difficult it would be to get as much bang for the buck - and to the contrary, the earlier that you got in, the more that you can see that your BTC investment has paid off, especially compared with other assets, such as comparing to equities or gold.

Those of us who started our BTC investment 5 years or more earlier, surely would be in a decent position to be engaging in the consumption of hookers, lambo and blow, even in current times, seems like.

Let's just use a $2,250 per Bi-weekly (current exchange rate), and look back at where we would be today in terms of a five year investment into BTC as compared with gold and equities, using dcabtc.com.

I think that currently having 270BTC after 5 years of investing $2,250 every two weeks (adding up to $300k invested and $2.5million in current value) is surely in a decent set-up position to soon be going down the hookers, lambo and blow consumption.  7.5x investment is not a bad place to be, yet if we are attempting to be somewhat realistic, it would be difficult for anyone even to maintain $1,000 per month investing into BTC, unless they are reallocating and already decently well off.

By the way, from my own experience, I do appreciate that there are some folks who may have accumulated a decent investment portfolio in various assets over several years of their investing life, and maybe even accumulated $500k or $1million or more in terms of the size of their investment portfolio, and someone like that might want to be a bit more aggressive in term of their BTC allocation and even front loading and even appreciate having something like a $2,250 per day investment potential.

So, someone like that would maybe want to invest $100k into bitcoin and might want to invest $500 or $600 per day for the next 6 months in order to front load invest into BTC.  But if they just started out 6 months ago, even they would not yet have seen price appreciation of the value of their BTC portfolio, with around 12.2 BTC accumulated in order to help set themself up for future consumption of hookers, lambos and blow.

On the other hand, if they had put that same $100k value into bitcoin 5 years ago and spread that investment over 6 months, then they would have accumulated around 354 BTC, which might be pretty damned close to getting started in the consumption of hookers, lambo and blow (at least decently set up for such in the near future).

Bitcoin available in Australia post offices. Smiley

Bitcoin has been available at many post offices in the EU for years -> BTC Post offices

But if you want a real paradise for all crypto lovers come to Croatia and visit BitcoinStore, buy/sell crypto without any ID/KYC in the amount of 15000 HRK (2000 EUR) daily. If even that is not enough, hold your coins for at least 2 years after purchase and pay exactly 0% tax after sale Cool

If I was croatian law enforcement, I would put a spy cam on that shop.

If someone is coming 10 times or more a year, start looking at how (s)he makes his/her money.

Are you with us or against us, aesma?    Angry Angry Angry

Your post, aesma, caused me to look at the link one more time, and even though they are called "Bitcoin Store" they surely offer a lot of shitcoins, too (around 50 of them or so?).  Don't want to get into those shitcoin details, yet any member could peruse the "rate" link and see the numerous shitcoins that are being offered.

Seems the website portal has a $200 limit for purchasing without an account. I haven't tried the site at all though, just an observation.

Interesting "minor" detail that could either ruin dee moo or cause a party to prematurely poop.     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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The dude HODLs the dude abide

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By the way, from my own experience, I do appreciate that there are some folks who may have accumulated a decent investment portfolio in various assets over several years of their investing life, and maybe even accumulated $500k or $1million or more in terms of the size of their investment portfolio, and someone like that might want to be a bit more aggressive in term of their BTC allocation and even front loading and even appreciate having something like a $2,250 per day investment potential.

So, someone like that would maybe want to invest $100k into bitcoin and might want to invest $500 or $600 per day for the next 6 months in order to front load invest into BTC.  But if they just started out 6 months ago, even they would not yet have seen price appreciation of the value of their BTC portfolio, with around 12.2 BTC accumulated in order to help set themself up for future consumption of hookers, lambos and blow.


Getting in at the right time, is equally important of getting out at the right time.
I know that probably if I had known BTC 5 years ago, or more, or in 2009, I would have lost/spent/rage bought/rage sold/messed around way more than I actually did with my precious sats, more recently gained bought.
(Not that It wouldn't had ben the right thing to do, ask Laszlo).

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We just bounced off 9k. Is that what you call a double bottom? Vegeta thinks so.



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I can see several incoming and outgoing transactions in my wallet stuck for like 10-12 hours already. Some of them are even 8-11mb from tip. Why is that? Mempool full?   Cool

Looks like if you had not paid in the 8-10 satoshis per byte or more, then you might not have gotten processed in the past 12-16 hours.

https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#1,2d

Likely to be a temporary blip and upsurge in the transaction fees..   Those kinds of increases in transaction fees (backlog in mempool) happen sometimes.

Edit:  I see that BitcoinGirl.Club has already answered the question.  That's what I get for being a slo po.  Cry
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but really it is better NOT to get too much into the weeds in regards to shitcoin performance relative to bitcoin...

...other than to note that sh*coins are the "lungs" of bitcoin and one of the reasons that bitcoin has managed to grow sustainably over the last few years of its existence Wink

This is why we see a continuous long term decline in dominance coupled with a sustained long term growth in price, because the octupus head needs tentacles that have the technical, monetary and commercial versatility to reach into the corners that the head doesn't, albeit that those tentacles may themselves not outlive the head, interchangeability being one of their strengths.


Shitcoins aren't part of the "foundation" of the crypto ecosystem. They are the distraction from it.


Totally agree.

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- Global cases rises with 1m per week.

A "pandemic" of testing. (...for saline saliva).

Oh?Huh I haven't heard that one before.  The increased testing is likely what is happening.  Increases in the numbers of infected persons and/or increases in deaths could not be actually happening, right?

Is the solution to decrease testing?  decrease reporting?  don't produce personal protective supplies or equipment?  Don't increase medical facilities or overflow capacity?

People are going to die sooner or later anyhow, so may as well just act either like Covid-19 does not exist or just carry on with business as usual because the infection rate, deaths, and hospitalizations are likely not as bad as it appears to be.

Carry on.   Wink
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but really it is better NOT to get too much into the weeds in regards to shitcoin performance relative to bitcoin...

...other than to note that sh*coins are the "lungs" of bitcoin and one of the reasons that bitcoin has managed to grow sustainably over the last few years of its existence Wink

This is why we see a continuous long term decline in dominance coupled with a sustained long term growth in price, because the octupus head needs tentacles that have the technical, monetary and commercial versatility to reach into the corners that the head doesn't, albeit that those tentacles may themselves not outlive the head, interchangeability being one of their strengths.



Oh gawd... not you again?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Haven't you found some better space to fantasize with your lame perspective, to the extent that you really believe that nonsense.

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By the way, from my own experience, I do appreciate that there are some folks who may have accumulated a decent investment portfolio in various assets over several years of their investing life, and maybe even accumulated $500k or $1million or more in terms of the size of their investment portfolio, and someone like that might want to be a bit more aggressive in term of their BTC allocation and even front loading and even appreciate having something like a $2,250 per day investment potential.

So, someone like that would maybe want to invest $100k into bitcoin and might want to invest $500 or $600 per day for the next 6 months in order to front load invest into BTC.  But if they just started out 6 months ago, even they would not yet have seen price appreciation of the value of their BTC portfolio, with around 12.2 BTC accumulated in order to help set themself up for future consumption of hookers, lambos and blow.


Getting in at the right time, is equally important of getting out at the right time.
I know that probably if I had known BTC 5 years ago, or more, or in 2009, I would have lost/spent/rage bought/rage sold/messed around way more than I actually did with my precious sats, more recently gained bought.
(Not that It wouldn't had ben the right thing to do, ask Laszlo).

I think that in about the past year or so (maybe less than that), I started suggesting that people getting into BTC to start out with a minimum of a 4-5 year investment time horizon in mind because I had noticed that even if there had been a decent amount of front loading, many persons getting into BTC would likely be better off considering their BTC investment time horizon at least 4-5 years, if not longer.

Surely, there are going to be some folks who might be able to play this time horizon in shorter time frames without engaging in too much of a gambling approach, and surely sometimes blow off tops can become somewhat clear - even while most normies (and if you are not too elderly to have at least a 4-5 year time line) are likely going to be better off to allow a longer time line, including the playing out of a couple of BTC cycles.. to the extent that cycles might continue (and we have no real evidence that they are not going to continue in some kind of a way).

By the way, regarding Laszlo, I get the impression that he does not have regrets - even though anyone can proclaim that hindsight is 20/20, but there are a lot of earlier adopters who appreciated that spending of BTC was not a bad thing for the experimentations with bitcoin, and surely there are some early adopters who have learned to replace their spending of BTC too.

I will concede that with many many folks there is going to be a decent amount of "what if" thinking, so surely some of that is natural, and hopefully many people who are mature about their life decisions are going to be able to write those kinds of decisions off, and even appreciate that they made those kinds of decisions based on the best information that they had in front of them, at that particular moment.  Another thing is to attempt to learn from the past how to be more prepared in the present for what might happen in the future, and also to accept that mistakes are likely to be made, no matter what trade-offs might end up playing out on a personal level.
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Hong Kong national security law is ready to rock n roll.


#Bitcoin Eternal Range
https://twitter.com/Cryptanzee/status/1277163427643850752

Haha good one.
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Perhaps you should take a second look at that graph posted earlier and consider changing the record. Bitcoin has not got anywhere near the dominance it had before the last spike and there's no indication it ever will again.
There is no need to look at a lame indicator, and you and I have already discussed, so there is no reason to discuss it again a few months later because you are not bringing up any facts or logic that would cause market dominance to become a more important indicator.. especially in the way that you are framing the matter.


The previous two years were its chance and it ditched it.

If you have a lame indicator, it is not going to tell you anything, even if you want to use such lame indicator to tell a kind of phoney baloney bullshit story that you want to tell.

Doesn't mean it's not a good store of value,

Sure.. bitcoin is a bunch of things, including a store of value.

it just means it's not the best crypto to invest in to make medium term gains.

I would not recommend fucking around with short or medium term baloney..  

Best to figure out a long term strategy and invest accordingly.  Once you get a long term strategy together, then maybe it could be ok. to fuck around with various short/medium term gambling plays.. which might include playing around with various shitcoins that may or may not experience some short term pumpenings, if you are lucky.. but get your shit together with bitcoin before getting distracted into various shitcoins.

Also, another dynamic that seems to play out, is that once people get their shit together with bitcoin, frequently they will lose interest in shitcoins, because bitcoin is already a hedge and a risky investment, so why stack additional risk, when almost every single shitcoin is already dependent upon bitcoin before it is even enabled to have a pumpening... so if anyone is investing in bitcoin they are tending to add risk rather than adding hedge to their investment portfolio.



As the cryptocurrency "space" develops from here, the "lame perspective" is the one that thinks there's nothing to be gained from the technology.

Yes.. go take your shitcoin discussion to another thread.  I am not personally denying that there might not be some benefits from various shitcoins, but your pumping them is off topic and just leads down a nonsense devolution into irrelevancy... we have plenty to discuss in this thread, including but not limited to whether bottom threads are too homo or not.


The "lame perspective" thinks that in 100 years time the only blockchain in existence will still be bitcoin.

Most people invest in shorter time horizons than that.

No diversification whatsoever is worthwhile investing in.

If you are talking about my signature, it is framed as a question not a statement.  You may need to read it again, and strive to not project your ideas too much when you are trying to attribute ideas to others.

The "lame perspective" thinks that once you invest in gold then Ford Motor Cars, Union Pacific Railroad, Standard Oil, IBM, Berkshire, Massey Ferguson, Apple and Amazon couldn't have put their wealth to more productive work.

You are really getting off topic.

Have you heard of bitcoin?  There are a lot of interesting things going on in bitcoin.  No need to assume it is broken.. and if you do assume that it is broken, then possibly this thread is not really a good place for you, unless you can figure out some better ways to substantiate your seemingly pie in the sky (and lame, too) speculations.

The "lame perspective" is what made BTC maximalists "BTC poor" while making altcoin speculators "BTC rich" because they put their money where things where "happening" rather than simply where they were "stored".

Oh gawd... now you want to promote some shitcoin and suggest that there are ways to earn dividends?  Or you are suggesting trading shitcoins in order to earn more bitcoin?  Either one of those strategies are quite risky, and they tend to be a place where newbie bitcoiners end up going in order to get rekkt.. have seen it many times, historically.  You are coming here to attempt to entice bitcoiners into getting involved (and distracted) into shitcoins?  You need some gullible folks to join your shitcoin ponzi so you can get out at the right time and leave them holding the bag and walking away with fewer, rather than more bitcoins?


The "lame perspective" is for blind people who don't see the bitcoin ecosystem as an economy that requires diversification to function.

Of course, there is already a lot going on in the space, and some of the variety of activities will get absorbed into bitcoin and others of the activities will die on the vine.


It is for clueless tribalists who stick around in forums playing broken records because they cannot adapt to evolving commerce Wink



The main clueless one seems to be you, with your altcoin pumpening talking points.. maybe they will work on some people this time?  Maybe?  Perhaps?  Of course, you feel like you need to come over to some bitcoin threads to pump your bullshit from time to time because it is not always easy to get new suckers to buy into your lame ass shitcoin talking points.  Now go run along, toknormal, so that we can breath in and out a bit more, instead of being distracted by your shitcoin pumpenings attempts that rely on stupid ass manipulated metrics such as bitcoin dominance based on diluted market cap baloney.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  

Shoo shoo... run along.... Notice that I have vegeta behind me on this one....



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Hong Kong national security law is ready to rock n roll.


#Bitcoin Eternal Range
https://twitter.com/Cryptanzee/status/1277163427643850752

Haha good one.
Yup. If you haven't gotten the fuck out of HK then it's too late. I'm glad I didn't live there, complicated place.
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Hong Kong national security law is ready to rock n roll.


#Bitcoin Eternal Range
https://twitter.com/Cryptanzee/status/1277163427643850752

Haha good one.
Yup. If you haven't gotten the fuck out of HK then it's too late. I'm glad I didn't live there, complicated place.

Well it is good to see the United Kingdom 'man up' and do the right thing...if China is gonna renege on the 1997 Hong Kong treaty...well then it is only

fair that they get a U.K. passport if they want to leave. As to the USA we have like 18,000 translators from the Afgan/Irag war that were promised relocation and

have waited years..and of course how the Trump Administration treated the Kurds this last year and left them in the lurch. At least the U.K. held to its 1997 agreement

even though hell is gonna pay by China for their actions. I remember a day when the USA's word had such weight, now not so much. Sad

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52842303



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Yeah it's sad: These people are probably quite useful and we ain't getting them.

Would be cool if HK citizens all just torched the city, got out and left a sign saying:

"I have left it as I found it.
Take over, it's yours"

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Yeah it's sad: These people are probably quite useful and we ain't getting them.

Would be cool if HK citizens all just torched the city, got out and left a sign saying:

"I have left it as I found it.
Take over, it's yours"



I agree that China has criticized countries that are sniffing at the law fearing that it will hurt foreign investors in a major economic hub like Hong Kong.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also said the plan would be a death knell for Hong Kong's independence.
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On this chart you can see the timelapse with the screenshoots of the posts from WO

Thread: WO Bitcoin Speculation History

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5182395.0

Hi! How are you? This is the chart from W.O. price predictions. It's from september 2019.  After almost 10 months we are still waiting to break the first resistance at around 10.500 usd and the second resistance at around 11k to 11.5k. Well we came close enough. On the 26th October we came to 10.370. On the 12th February we came to 10.490 usd and after that btc dropped to 3700 usd. Finally on the 1st of June we came to 10.420 usd. It looks like this is the first major resistance for bitcoin. If btc breaks through this resistance it usually becomes support line.
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