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[jbreher]

Weird. Last time I heard anything from Edan Yago, he was telling us at Bitcoin 2013 San Jose Conference about a micronation he was in negotiations with a host nation to allow within their borders. OK, not really a micronation, but an Economic Autonomous Zone. As history hath shewn, it never really came to pass.

Dude... you gotta check this out:
https://prospera.hn/

Real change takes time - it's not Sushi...

Mea Culpa. I was wrong. Sorry for propagating misinfo. And congratulations on your progress to date.

Incidentally - good to speak with you again

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[Cryptotourist]

So good to see that WO is just chock full of love, peace, happiness, and all those other hippie things.

Hey I don't mind going full family style, especially if SwingStar321 is OK with it.

Sharing is caring.

[bitserve]

Coronavirus Cases: 27,202,829. Deaths: 885,764. Recovered: 19,288,016.

So by the time i guess it's safe to say that covid's lethality is higher than the flu's.

According to the CDC's own website data for the U.S., 94% of Covid-19 deaths had comorbities with some other cause of death (e.g., flu, pneumonia, heart disease, heart attack, blunt force trama, cancer, etc.).

Only 6% of related Covid-19 deaths were tagged as "Covid only" cause.

Also, 99% of Covid-related deaths were over the age of 65. The majority were 70+.

If you take out comorbidities then almost no one would "officially" die from an illness. Many/most people over 65 do have comorbidities in the strict sense.

Most of the covid infected people that die do so because of an acute pneumonia, if you exclude that your stats are useless.

Also, are you sure about 99% of covid related deaths were over the age of 65? Source?

I do agree that the majority were over 70+ though.

[SwayStar123]

Also, 99% of Covid-related deaths were over the age of 65. The majority were 70+.

is 99% already not more than enough to be considered a majority?

[Torque]

Also, are you sure about 99% of covid related deaths were over the age of 65? Source?

Go look it up, all the data is there on the CDC's own website.

Also fun fact: The numbers of deaths in the 94% group? Pretty much right in line with # of deaths in 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, etc.

is 99% already not more than enough to be considered a majority?

Apparently not to those that want to fear and treat Covid-19 as the second coming of the plague.

[xhomerx10]

Also, 99% of Covid-related deaths were over the age of 65. The majority were 70+.

is 99% already not more than enough to be considered a majority?

 It depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is.

[explorer]

Coronavirus Cases: 27,202,829. Deaths: 885,764. Recovered: 19,288,016.

does anyone still believe that crap? afaik they still don't have a remotely reliable test. 

Governments can eat a bag of dicks, with a side of their own fear.  In the mean time I sure hope I don't get shot,  fall off a roof while choking on a hotdog and die of covid.

[OutOfMemory]

Coronavirus Cases: 27,202,829. Deaths: 885,764. Recovered: 19,288,016.

So by the time i guess it's safe to say that covid's lethality is higher than the flu's.

According to the CDC's own website data for the U.S., 94% of Covid-19 deaths had comorbities with some other cause of death (e.g., flu, pneumonia, heart disease, heart attack, blunt force trama, cancer, etc.).

OK, that's a relation, but how was the data collected?
Do we know if, for example, recorded heart attack victims were diagnosed covid19 post mortem or vice versa?
Even if a flu patient dies of a heart attack, the flu is considered as reason of death, afaik.

Only 6% of related Covid-19 deaths were tagged as "Covid only" cause (11,569 people in the U.S.).
Also, 99% of Covid-related deaths were over the age of 65. The majority were 70+.

How do these two figures compare to the flu, by the way?

Still a lot to learn about Covid19 but the virus itself quite sure isn't faked, unlike some are confidently spreading that Covid "isn't real"...

[Torque]

Still a lot to learn about Covid19 but the virus itself quite sure isn't faked, unlike some are confidently spreading that Covid "isn't real"...

But that's the rub. Most people that take issue are denying the risk level that the MSM and govt is pushing, not that Covid-19 "isn't real" or "doesn't exist". I'm quite sure that it does exist.

But those people, the majority, get labeled as "conspiracy theorists" or "Covid deniers" and get thrown in with the wackos anyway.  

[OutOfMemory]

Coronavirus Cases: 27,202,829. Deaths: 885,764. Recovered: 19,288,016.

does anyone still believe that crap? afaik they still don't have a remotely reliable test.  

Governments can eat a bag of dicks, with a side of their own fear.  In the mean time I sure hope I don't get shot,  fall off a roof while choking on a hotdog and die of covid.

You forgot the media.
It's not exactly the virus that creates all the new chaos, but it's more how society* is handling it.

*You can reduce "society" to governments and media as well, because they are the most prominent drivers of fear.

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Still a lot to learn about Covid19 but the virus itself quite sure isn't faked, unlike some are confidently spreading that Covid "isn't real"...

But that's the rub. Most people that take issue are denying the risk level that the MSM and govt is pushing, not that Covid-19 "isn't real" or "doesn't exist". I'm quite sure it does.

But those people, the majority, get labeled as "conspiracy theorists" or "Covid deniers" and get thrown it with them anyway.  

The above statement was by no means meant personally, but as an example of the extremes that are results of the ways humans are handling their own subconscious fears.

[SwayStar123]

The fact that only the old people are dying of corona virus doesnt mean that coronavirus is harmless to young people

Organ damage caused by COVID-19
Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

-from https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351


If corona virus isnt stopped and everyone gets infected millions upon millions of people will either be dead, or have lasting damage to their organs, which will ofcourse cause alot of pain and misery to those people and cost them alot of healthcare money especially in USA

[Biodom]

Coronavirus Cases: 27,202,829. Deaths: 885,764. Recovered: 19,288,016.

So by the time i guess it's safe to say that covid's lethality is higher than the flu's.

According to the CDC's own website data for the U.S., 94% of Covid-19 deaths had comorbities with some other cause of death (e.g., flu, pneumonia, heart disease, diabetes, organ failure, heart attack, blunt force trama, cancer, etc.).

Only 6% of related Covid-19 deaths were tagged as "Covid only" as the cause (11,569 people in the U.S.).

Also, 99% of Covid-related deaths were over the age of 65. The majority were 70+.

Re highlighted..
The actual number is 79.2% (high, but nowhere close to 99%)
Source: Death by age groups
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics

[Torque]

In WO, in in my own P&S thread, and elsewhere, I have been shouting from the rooftops since March that people should stop panicking.  (Though there is something to panic about:  Impending extreme economic hardship, starvation, and unlimited tyranny...  I fear hunger more than I fear Covid!)  I saw that the self-destructive mass reaction was bad; so did many others, IIRC (?) including you.  If people don’t heed sound reason, I don’t see what the Chinese have to do with it—unless the Chinese somehow control other peoples’ governments, mainstream media, and masses of ordinary people who are blindly terrified into submission.

I think we agree.

My point was simply that the Covid-19 virus was not the second coming of the plague that every govt around the world *except China's* pretends it to be. The recent photos of them enjoying life almost to pre-Covid level days is the proof. And who would know better than the country where the virus originated in the first place, and with 1.4B people has the most to lose?

Why the hell is the rest of the world still in lockdown mode? This is fkn ridiculous.

[bitserve]

Coronavirus Cases: 27,202,829. Deaths: 885,764. Recovered: 19,288,016.

So by the time i guess it's safe to say that covid's lethality is higher than the flu's.

According to the CDC's own website data for the U.S., 94% of Covid-19 deaths had comorbities with some other cause of death (e.g., flu, pneumonia, heart disease, diabetes, organ failure, heart attack, blunt force trama, cancer, etc.).

Only 6% of related Covid-19 deaths were tagged as "Covid only" as the cause (11,569 people in the U.S.).

Also, 99% of Covid-related deaths were over the age of 65. The majority were 70+.

Re highlighted..
The actual number is 79.2% (high, but nowhere close to 99%)
Source: Death by age groups
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics

Thanks. I couldn't be arsed to look it up, but that data is more consistent to the ones I had. Nice you did check out the specific source Torque was referring to.

I really don't understand this polarization between "we are all gonna die from covid" vs "it is completely irrelevant and people die just because they are old or ill". Manipulating the stats or simply spreading missinformation/fake data doesn't help either.

There are many people whose position about this particular subject is in a much more healthy and reasonable middle point.

[OutOfMemory]

In WO, in in my own P&S thread, and elsewhere, I have been shouting from the rooftops since March that people should stop panicking.  (Though there is something to panic about:  Impending extreme economic hardship, starvation, and unlimited tyranny...  I fear hunger more than I fear Covid!)  I saw that the self-destructive mass reaction was bad; so did many others, IIRC (?) including you.  If people don’t heed sound reason, I don’t see what the Chinese have to do with it—unless the Chinese somehow control other peoples’ governments, mainstream media, and masses of ordinary people who are blindly terrified into submission.

I think we agree.

My point was simply that the Covid-19 virus was not the second coming of the plague that every govt around the world *except China's* pretends it to be. The recent photos of them enjoying life almost to pre-Covid level days is the proof. And who would know better than the country where the virus originated in the first place, and with 1.4B people has the most to lose?

Why the hell is the rest of the world still in lockdown mode? This is fkn ridiculous.

I think it's because in the rest of the world (with minor exceptions) covid19 numbers are still rising, while china forcefully controlled the spreading rate.
It's a valid and healthy option, because china stopped everyday life to almost zero, until the virus didn't find new hosts. Economically risky, but it seems to work out.
Most other countries governments know they can't control their citizens to that degree china is able to, because of reasons (on both sides).
Sadly, north korea, a country led by a dictator shithead and his trusted influencers, is even able to present even lower numbers.

There are many people whose position about this particular subject is in a much more healthy and reasonable middle point.

Every position is mostly a result of past personal experiences.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Torque, what tells me that the general worldwide reaction to covid was way over the top is a couple of things.

Firstly we are led to believe for example in the UK, 800-900 people were dying per day at one point. This was when we were all in proper lockdown, nobody was at work, people weren’t allowed to see their families. How does it make sense that now everybody is back to work & in contact with dozens of people every day of the week it’s double digit deaths, sometimes single digit deaths every day.

I’m sorry but some things don’t add up. Aside from attending mass events like concerts & sports matches things are not too far from normal. Why is there no second wave that we were led to believe would happen? People are socialising, going to restos, out drinking in bars yet no catastrophic second wave?

The amount of daily deaths is barely worth mentioning yet the media still push the agenda that this virus is so life threatening.

They publish the death numbers every day & virtually every single one is elderly but not just that, has pre-existing health conditions too. This virus is so deadly, most people who have it aren’t even aware until they have a test.

I’m not really thinking it’s a conspiracy, perhaps governments were led to believe it was going to be far worse than it turned out. Perhaps their appointed medical experts made them think it was going to be Black Plague II or something but I suppose they can’t admit they were duped can they. How do you tell the public, ‘sorry you lost your job, house & way of life for a year, it was just a strain of flu, my bad’.
They have to carry out this fairy story to save face.

I can’t believe the world basically stopped because of something with such a low death rate. This post won’t earn me any friends but these are my opinions. The whole thing has been farcical!

[Torque]

I think it's because in the rest of the world (with minor exceptions) covid19 numbers are still rising, while china forcefully controlled the spreading rate.
It's a valid and healthy option, because china stopped everyday life to almost zero, until the virus didn't find new hosts. Economically risky, but it seems to work out.

It is statistically impossible to *not* have renewed viral transmission/exposure once social distancing measures are relaxed and people start interacting face-to-face again.

[jojo69]

[Last of the V8s]

What does it mean jojo? I dun geddit

[OutOfMemory]

I think it's because in the rest of the world (with minor exceptions) covid19 numbers are still rising, while china forcefully controlled the spreading rate.
It's a valid and healthy option, because china stopped everyday life to almost zero, until the virus didn't find new hosts. Economically risky, but it seems to work out.

It is statistically impossible to *not* have renewed viral transmission/exposure once social distancing measures are relaxed and people start interacting face-to-face again.

Yep, it's a simple tradeoff, imho. I'd never take china's covid policy as "successful" example, but their mesaures just seemed to lower their case numbers considerably. Economy suffered badly, but not for a long time. In the US it's more like a slow economic starving, it seems.
I didn't want to get balls deep into covid discussions in the WO again, but here we are. I might avoid it again, now.

Torque, what tells me that the general worldwide reaction to covid was way over the top is a couple of things.

Since the black swan called "nine eleven" convinced the world that anywhere, anytime, anyhow, something life threatening can happen to anyone.
Looked at this with emotional distance, it's a simple fact of life, the universe and all that.
Most of "civilized" people just not were aware about it until then, and the media constanly reminds them about that.
The world is in panic mode. Panic is a good foundation for stupid actions. This makes me worry more about the future than covid or the suicide bomber that might live next door.