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October 30, 2020, 07:31:27 PM

it is so satisfying to see "alt season" and "the flippening" playing out exactly like anticipated. 

death to all the shitcoins!  Cheesy






If this happens btc will simply become a banker tool bro.

Read my signature and understand why the alts are needed.

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Kings need dukes, knights, pages, jesters so on and so on.

i don't think that gold needs pyrite.

therefore digital gold also does not need digital pyrite aka shitcoins. digital silver not yet invented. scams are scams.
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Yeah, about Brad's post...

I've said this before. Back in 2015-2016, my friends and colleagues laughed at me for "buying expensive air", when I bought my first coins. They called them "coupons" and "tokens". But fiat was not air/coupons/tokens to them... That's the degree of brainwashing in most people (so sad, but so true...). Funny thing is (was) that they kept saying this, even after the price rose from $200 to $1000+. Was, because after it climbed to $5000+, some (not many) started reluctantly asking me for more information about Bitcoin and how to invest in it. I just replied "Google it." And some did, but found it confusing and difficult to understand. Now they don't laugh, but just look at me with envy. I feel they want to ask me 1000 questions about it, but their ego doesn't let them. Some of them remind me of r0ach...

11 things I can say from past experience and intuition:

– 1. We're all early adopters. Even those buying now are early adopters. Some are just earlier than others.
– 2. This is just the beginning.
– 3. Bitcoin is now where the internet was, just after the BBS & 2400 bps V.42bis modem era.
– 4. To see where Bitcoin will be in 5-10 years' time, just see where the internet was 5-10 years after [3].
– 5. Hint for [4]: my current internet connection is 100,000,000 bps. Just replace bps with $.
– 6. It was foolish of me to disclose my BTC holdings to certain people.
– 7. Not going all-in in 2015 was, perhaps, the biggest mistake of my life (see [8]).
– 8. When it comes to Bitcoin, "invest what you can afford to lose" may not be the best advice for a newbie...
– 9. By the time Bitcoin is widely adopted, many, if not most, of the current Bitcoin small players will own almost zero coins (and will be well alive to regret it).
– 10. Most of the coins of [9] will end up in the hands of hundreds of Michael Saylors, with Michael Saylor being the best of the bunch.
– 11. We will still hang out here in WO when 1 satoshi = $0.01.

Some of the above may not make much sense, but that's the way I see things.


 Just a note. I too 'regret' #6..but in hindsight it was worth so little in 2013 and I had so little that by the time I had some...well ..not big deal everyone can see how

 much now..just google bitcointalk.org Searing and BTC Hodl is probably all it would take for me or any other 2013 or around there adopter.

I also like how, when the topic does come up, how some people remember ME blowing them off about Bitcoin questions....and I remember a lot of 'your an idiot' and

'taunting' thus making real conversations difficult for those who have not got any BTC even now.

I think a lot of HODL'ers, especially older, will crack around $20k a lot could sell 1/2 of hodl'ings from back in the day they mined for 1/2 million dollars or more. The wife

real life issues, health issues, older, I think a lot will 'crack' and sell at that point. Thus myself I'd be beyond shocked if we were 'steady' above $25k next year, until that

kinda thing 'shakes itself out' ...the closer society starts to take this as 'real $$$' the more likely REAL LIFE issues will cause some or a lot of HODL'ers to sell..espcieally

if they got into this at say $100 a BTC or some such. I hope I'm dead wrong, and it is more like a Rancher by Reno, NV saying 'screw it' keeping the Ranch. But I'll put

that out here on Bitcointalk on the hope I'm really, really, wrong..but how I'm calling it for future praise or mockery.

Other than that for a $5,131.80 usd KNC Jupiter BTC Miner fired up on Sept 18th, 2013..it is gonna be 'damn hard' to say I won't make a paper profit on Bitcoin..which

was not the case, back when I started.

ONE other point, I invited 'bids' for some plumbing in my Basement in 2013....re-do some lines, add another outside faucet. The Plumber asked what the Miner was...

I said Bitcoin Miner. He said, and I quote: Is that not used for 'drug runner' money, Bitcoin? I tried to explain to him, nope.

I never heard from the guy, he never returned various calls, nada! that is even till this day, I had to get

another plumber but waited 2 years to be safe. Also in 2013 my 'banker' sic'd the SEC on me due to Bitcoin being 'evil' and drug money and all. With a speaker phone

on with SEC guy, when I brought reciept of BTC purchase and their error of I spent $99,999.99 (i mean really, you can't catch such a bank error?) The banker THEN

tried to jack me up with the SEC guy on the phone and say I obviously did not do my taxes on Bitcoin. I antipated the asshole and slapped my completed 2013 by CPA

(revised for the new Bitcoin rules) down and called  him an asshole.

The SEC guy through speaker phone was like 'why am I here? Anyway, some of you have heard this story, but

this illlustrates how far Bitcoin has come since 2013! I mean from mockery to PayPal at least taking steps to involve Bitcoin and Crypto...a far cry from my $150 day

one BTC I mined ..compared to the price now of $13,537.31 today. https://coinmarketcap.com/

Now if Craig Wight would just go away with ONE POST from the 'real' Satoshi using a Satoshi Legacy Wallet sig/key and saying 'Craig Wright' is not Satoshi.

I'd be a happy man, even in 2020, but that and the Bitcoin Price would pretty much wipe out my pandemic issues. Smiley

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Yeah, about Brad's post...

... Also in 2013 my 'banker' sic'd the SEC on me due to Bitcoin being 'evil' and drug money and all. With a speaker phone

on with SEC guy, when I brought reciept of BTC purchase and their error of I spent $99,999.99 (i mean really, you can't catch such a bank error?) The banker THEN

tried to jack me up with the SEC guy on the phone and say I obviously did not do my taxes on Bitcoin. I antipated the asshole and slapped my completed 2013 by CPA

(revised for the new Bitcoin rules) down and called  him an asshole.

The SEC guy through speaker phone was like 'why am I here? Anyway, some of you have heard this story, but

this illlustrates how far Bitcoin has come since 2013! ...

Brad

You are a very forgiving person if that banker did not end up with at least a  broken nose out of the deal.
There are taddle or snitch rewards when the IRS collects on tax evaders.   Maybe that is what he was hoping for...

a broken nose is what he deserved (deserves).

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Saylor actually goes into quite a lot of detail on this topic in the stream he just did with Dan Held -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPYt_Z9lYlM

Key takeaway is that he feels his evangelism is the best way he can boost the value of Bitcoin as a network - rather than putting money into mining or creating Bitcoin related businesses, he can inject value directly into the ecosystem by being a pioneer and a damn vocal one at that. Use whatever resources you have to build up the network and ecosystem, for some people that's leveraging cheap utility costs and creating mining farms, others that it is offering custody solutions or ETFs, etc etc. He doesn't see himself as being able to do these things better than others, so he sticks with what he has the most efficiency at doing - a vocal shout of "HODL!" to lead the way for those who don't have the platform to express it themselves.

I've probably summed it up badly, but that's the general gist of it!

Good find and your summary is about right. Also confirms what I was supposing about his strategy, (more macro than micro  Wink  ) ...

... for all the hype about paypal (it's a big nothing-burger), the Microstrategy move is orders of magnitude more important, quantifiably more significant (poor people don't have money to move around, bitcoin adoption comes about through money not users, etc, etc)).

Not just that Saylor is running point and giving money-managers, corporate treasurers, hedge-funds, etc the template he's also providing vocal cover and expounding a logical basis (long term yield vs. risk) for how to escape the fed's gilded cage of 0.5% (soon going negative) yield in extreme risk assets ... he specifically says he's not going to be buying old-man buffet's junk  Grin Grin

To confirm this also WSJ is running hit-piece today against Saylor's move, likely to try and throw shade so as to discourage other renegades from escaping the fiat asylum that he now is blazing a trail for real money to flow into bitcoin  ...

Go Saylor, Go bitcoin.

WSJ trashing Saylor bitcoin move
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Saylor actually goes into quite a lot of detail on this topic in the stream he just did with Dan Held -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPYt_Z9lYlM

Key takeaway is that he feels his evangelism is the best way he can boost the value of Bitcoin as a network - rather than putting money into mining or creating Bitcoin related businesses, he can inject value directly into the ecosystem by being a pioneer and a damn vocal one at that. Use whatever resources you have to build up the network and ecosystem, for some people that's leveraging cheap utility costs and creating mining farms, others that it is offering custody solutions or ETFs, etc etc. He doesn't see himself as being able to do these things better than others, so he sticks with what he has the most efficiency at doing - a vocal shout of "HODL!" to lead the way for those who don't have the platform to express it themselves.

I've probably summed it up badly, but that's the general gist of it!

Good find and your summary is about right. Also confirms what I was supposing about his strategy, (more macro than micro  Wink ) ...

... for all the hype about paypal (it's a big nothing-burger), the Microstrategy move is orders of magnitude more important, quantifiably more significant (poor people don't have money to move around, bitcoin adoption comes about through money not users, etc, etc)).

Not just that Saylor is running point and giving money-managers, corporate treasurers, hedge-funds, etc the template he's also providing vocal cover and expounding a logical basis (long term yield vs. risk) for how to escape the fed's gilded cage of 0.5% (soon going negative) yield in extreme risk assets ... he specifically says he's not going to be buying old-man buffet's junk  Grin Grin

To confirm this also WSJ is running hit-piece today against Saylor's move, likely to try and throw shade so as to discourage other renegades from escaping the fiat asylum that he now is blazing a trail for real money to flow into bitcoin  ...

Go Saylor, Go bitcoin.

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Can't read it they want me to sign in.

... ok.
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As far as I know, the post count and sig in this thread are disabled for obvious reasons ... I posted several messages here, but changed the topic of the dialogue (and I see that posts were included in the stats of account). How does this rule work?
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Continuation of the collection: Part II offtopic... / Abandoned military sites: Part I

  • Thai army tanks on a ship in the port of Bangkok



  • The sinking of a Chinese T-69 tank in the Gulf of Thailand. The discarded Tanks became artificial reefs in the marine ecosystem of the bay.



  • Equipment involved in the liquidation of the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in Ukraine.



  • Aircraft graveyard, in the United States in the city of Tucson.



  • Decommissioned aircraft carrier 38 km off the coast of Pensacola, Florida



  • It took 37 minutes for the 270-meter vessel to sink completely under the water.



  • The location is unknown. Photo by Dietmar Eckell



  • On December 24, 1994, the Russian cruiser "Murmansk" got away from the tugs during towing and sank near a small village on the northern coast of Norway.



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Block 654818 fees 3.25 coins
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/000000000000000000043eae5aef08739ec0ec63b968f309d9513ac17c7b38df

Block 654817 fees 3.22 coins
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/0000000000000000000d6c1d59f722ec0d4c937eb75550cba24ccc19656f18e4

Block 654816 fees 3.00 coins
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/000000000000000000091f83a4f5dd7224b8dc6909ec3210326dc8525451069a

Quote
https://diff.cryptothis.com/
Latest Block:   654818  (5 minutes ago)
Current Pace:   85.1691%  (1635 / 1919.71 expected, 284.71 behind)
Previous Difficulty:   19298087186262.61                            
Current Difficulty:   19997335994446.11

                          
Next Difficulty:   between 17057082561709 and 17147130332651
Next Difficulty Change:   between -14.7032% and -14.2529%


Previous Retarget:   October 17, 2020 at 11:34 AM  (+3.6234%)
Next Retarget (earliest):   Monday at 7:00 PM  (in 3d 0h 28m 4s)
Next Retarget (latest):   Monday at 9:05 PM  (in 3d 2h 33m 27s)
Projected Epoch Length:   between 16d 8h 25m 10s and 16d 10h 30m 33s

...

Pushing 15%  we may have a 17 day jump if this continues closer to 18%

prices are 13,600+


To all BTC purists above is why I wrote my signature the way I did.

2 quick moves and the entire btc network is now clogged with insane fees.

WHAT  could help this problem hmm that guy with 17k btc can do an off book to PayPal and PayPal can sell btc with little or no fees.

This is what BTC purists are up against.

Or my signature could be used.

Ie move the coin on doge or ltc networks.

The big boys are setting something up.
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  ...... [edited out].........
– 6. It was foolish of me to disclose my BTC holdings to certain people.
 ...... [edited out].........


 Just a note. I too 'regret' #6..but in hindsight it was worth so little in 2013 and I had so little that by the time I had some...well ..not big deal everyone can see how

 much now..just google bitcointalk.org Searing and BTC Hodl is probably all it would take for me or any other 2013 or around there adopter.

I also like how, when the topic does come up, how some people remember ME blowing them off about Bitcoin questions....and I remember a lot of 'your an idiot' and

'taunting' thus making real conversations difficult for those who have not got any BTC even now.


It's difficult to NOT reveal at least some details, especially when they do not seem to be vry important - but later become more important...

One thing with the passage of time you do not need to continue to confirm because you can say:  "that was then."   You can also engage in conduct to provide disinformation, too... without saying what amounts are disinformation and which amounts are not...

Those are not lies that matter - because many of us deserve some rights to our privacy, especially if our safety could come into question... or even just there can be other kinds of problems when people know things that they really do not need to know.

Regarding selective memory... surely, people are likely to have differing memories of events and evn emphasizing different parts of the memory that may or may not matter at a future point in time.  This can be another issue of each of us deciding how we would like to spin such memories (past events) - whether true or not and whether anyone else has any rights to you providing a different spin or not.


I think a lot of HODL'ers, especially older, will crack around $20k a lot could sell 1/2 of hodl'ings from back in the day they mined for 1/2 million dollars or more. The wife real life issues, health issues, older, I think a lot will 'crack' and sell at that point. Thus myself I'd be beyond shocked if we were 'steady' above $25k next year, until that kinda thing 'shakes itself out' ...the closer society starts to take this as 'real $$$' the more likely REAL LIFE issues will cause some or a lot of HODL'ers to sell..espcieally if they got into this at say $100 a BTC or some such. I hope I'm dead wrong, and it is more like a Rancher by Reno, NV saying 'screw it' keeping the Ranch. But I'll put that out here on Bitcointalk on the hope I'm really, really, wrong..but how I'm calling it for future praise or mockery.

Yes, I agree that you have a tendency to put unnecessary pessimistic spins to suggest that this time is different, when you really have hardly any evidence to establish that this time is different, beyond pure speculation that is shrouded by pessimism.

Accordingly, similar statements were made about all the folks who would be selling at the previous ATH of $1k, and it did not happen.  Sure, some people sold, but they largely got fucked because we were not in deadman's zone for very long.. and even some of those folks were hoping, in 2018 and 2019, to buy back cheap coins that they sold in early 2017 for in the neighborhood of $1k.. were not even able to get in for under $3k... .. and too bad so sad that they sold way too many coins too soon.. and I have no reason to believe that this time is going to be much different in terms of a need to be careful in buying into nonsense theories about all the BTC HODLrs who just cannot wait to get rid of their coins in the deadman's zone of about $17,250 to $23,500.  Not too bright to be selling much if any coins in that price range... even if you have some lame theory that there are peeps just eager as fuck to get out "at a profit."
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who's ready for 13.88? ... and onwards to 14k+ who know's where ...

Count me in.

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who's ready for 13.88? ... and onwards to 14k+ who know's where ...

Count me in.



Oohh  That's a good one!

MMMF!


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  • The sinking of a Chinese T-69 tank in the Gulf of Thailand. The discarded Tanks became artificial reefs in the marine ecosystem of the bay.





The ocean will get lead poisoning from all these rusty tanks, planes and ships we keep throwing in it. Smiley
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Yeah, about Brad's post...

... Also in 2013 my 'banker' sic'd the SEC on me due to Bitcoin being 'evil' and drug money and all. With a speaker phone

on with SEC guy, when I brought reciept of BTC purchase and their error of I spent $99,999.99 (i mean really, you can't catch such a bank error?) The banker THEN

tried to jack me up with the SEC guy on the phone and say I obviously did not do my taxes on Bitcoin. I antipated the asshole and slapped my completed 2013 by CPA

(revised for the new Bitcoin rules) down and called  him an asshole.

The SEC guy through speaker phone was like 'why am I here? Anyway, some of you have heard this story, but

this illlustrates how far Bitcoin has come since 2013! ...

Brad


You are a very forgiving person if that banker did not end up with at least a  broken nose out of the deal.
There are taddle or snitch rewards when the IRS collects on tax evaders.   Maybe that is what he was hoping for...

a broken nose is what he deserved (deserves).





Shoulda/coulda/wooda....but I was so....frigging relieved....I had already done taxes that year..then the IRS 14 days or something before the April deadline...put

the 'current' crytpo rules into play..that apply to mining etc, etc. Before that point the CPA said, did you spend any you mined? I went NOPE. So no taxes.

The of course the 2014 rules that applied all the way back to 2009 and cap gains, etc we see today. So I walked out of the bank, figuring I was gonna owe like

$4,000 on my US Taxes, and I was 'damn happy' about it. They could have really, really hung me up by my short hairs on this..except for the obvious bank

reciept error. So anyway...went back again, to the CPA and she re-did all again, and said I owed nothing due to my equipment and purchase in that I mined

the BTC...so, it was a wash either way. I also found out the difference between a regular bank (TCF..a midwest bank) and a Commercial Bank..changed all

my accounts (but $100 so I could keep my inflated, due to 2007 crash $30k home equity line of credit I got in a 'waived' fee ..saved like $1.2k on refinance

when the economy tanked on that promotion). But the comercial banker folk laughed their ass off on this story..they had a couple more on how the bank

in question could not do wire xfers (I told them that also was my story...took a month to fix)....so I learned that you go to a commercial bank and such probably

regional version is better...they are not as clueless. But yeah, I should have at 'least' faked bumping into his ass, and swept his feet...as he kept trying to 'poke' me with

his finger and not really pulling it off. He sure looked stupid infront of his employees and the SEC guy that is for sure. He really, really tried to toss me under the IRS bus

to re-coup his error. But yeah, in 2013, if you mentioned the dreaded Bitcoin..you was a drug dealer finacier. However, the week before the SEC call and such, which

gave me time to go full CPA, when I went into the bank, 2 times in the period. It was kinda cool, in that everyone looked at me like I was John Dillinger and would

'whisper' and look at me like I was gonna 'rob' the place. Was Chilly, Chilly, Chilly! Smiley

That is as close to being and 'evil mastermind' that I will ever attain. But yeah, in the midwest, folks really, really, bought the drug money hype in 2014. Sad

lesson learned

Brad
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