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I know Raoul Pal isn't always the most liked around here but he is spot on here. Open the link for all of his comments.

https://twitter.com/RaoulGMI/status/1397172575810228225



He is a very smart dude with lots of insight.  It's just his "big bad maxi" narrative that is annoying.  He may not realize that the whole "Ethereum is actually more amazing than Bitcoin" argument is fairly worn out for people who have been paying ACTIVE attention for longer than him.  He actually goes WAY back in having interest in "crypto" but only came out guns blazing this halving epoch.
Overall I like Raoul Pal, his insight and judgement of Bitcoin is sound. Well at least as long as he doesn't pull a Nassim Taleb and turn on it/us, or favor other shitcoins over it. Although I will say that he has not done enough DD on Ethereum to realize that the future promises it makes are both unachievable and untenable. Complete vaporware scamcoin.

But he is spot on here, and the contrast he is pointing out is still not really being heard over the ROAR of "ZOMG BITCOIN VOLITILE CANNOT BE SOV" screaming noise.

But we are getting closer.

People when 100X over-leverage is raging: "Bitcoin is too unstable to be a SOV."

People when 100X over-leverage has vanished: "Bitcoin is boring." or "Bitcoin is dead."

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Interesting chart.  The bit missing is the price seeking level related to the NEXT halving.
quadratic regression on the logarithmic scale indicates $76k
There's an app a chart for that ha ha

Better than my guess for the contest:

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70,000  philipma1957
70,500  Slot Kid
71,500  fillippone
72,239  cAPSLOCK*
72,400  Phil_S
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Better than my guess for the contest:

69,820  MishaMuc
70,000  philipma1957
70,500  Slot Kid
71,500  fillippone
72,239  cAPSLOCK*
72,400  Phil_S
72,555  OutOfMemory

What if the price is $ 72,401?
Would Phil_S win, because his guess is more close or would i win, because the price would be over Phil_S's guess?
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Better than my guess for the contest:

69,820  MishaMuc
70,000  philipma1957
70,500  Slot Kid
71,500  fillippone
72,239  cAPSLOCK*
72,400  Phil_S
72,555  OutOfMemory

What if the price is $ 72,401?
Would Phil_S win, because his guess is more close or would i win, because the price would be over Phil_S's guess?


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Slow upwards grind now until the end of summer & then moon? We can hope hey but oh my, those couple of weeks were horrible. I have to admit I was petrified haha, sold nothing though.

So?  ATH wen?

You talking August or maybe September before we get to another ATH.. or maybe the end of July?

I understand it is not fair for me to try to pin point you, but you are being vague.. probably on purpose....

How is blindmayor, by the way?  Weren't you both in and about the same location - eating chocolates from under the cupboard for the past several days?  

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I know Raoul Pal isn't always the most liked around here but he is spot on here. Open the link for all of his comments.

https://twitter.com/RaoulGMI/status/1397172575810228225



How could he be "spot on" when he is muddying his thinkenings with shitcoins?

I will grant that he said a lot of things that are reasonable or fair assessments in a muddied kind of way, but we give way too much credit to anyone who is muddying their thoughts.. and cannot even figure out a way to use the word bitcoin... and so thereby contributes to others muddying their thoughts on the topic as well.

Well whether we like altcoins or not, they do inherit parts of bitcoin's robust nature, and in this case I think they do.  They trade perpetually, are not deeply regulated, etc...

So I think the implication is he is "spot on" in the general sense.  I would agree.  Though I do think his shitcoin romance will end badly for many people following him, though it might buy him more kinds of exotic rums for his dark wood pool/bar area since he gets to front-run his sheeps.
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So we are skipping an ATH for May?

I was told a new ATH for every month in 2021.

So bitcoin changed its mind about May?


ATH in losses.

Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.

Of course, ATH in number of dollars lost if we take a snapshot from the April high of $64,895 to the local low of $30,066 from a few days ago, but is that really saying very much, except for trying to exaggerate short-term nabobs of negative nancy-isms that might hardly even be material (or even a blip on the screen) in the whole scheme of things?  

We can consider the quantity of loss matter in percentages, too?  Some people assert that we also have all time high losses in recent days in terms of percentages, but if you really consider what they are saying beyond superficial assertions, they are fucking full of shit and failing/refusing to zoom out sufficiently enough.  

Sure there are ways to spin short term BTC price performance matters to try to make it seem like the short term droppening is a BIGGER loss than it really is, whether we are referring to how far the BTC price went down, how long the BTC price is staying down (seems like forever while going through it bro, no?) or even proclaiming that the recovery is slow and we are not out of the woods yet.. and hey, even I am going to stick with my guns, somewhat that I am not going to feel too high levels of confidence about being out of this particular short term correction until we are at least above $46k, but getting above $50k would cause my lil selfie to feel even MOAR better.

In order to create even any kind of nuance of context, another matter is to attempt to appreciate both very damned few corrections had happened for about 7 months between September of about $10k and $65k in April and also the outrageous building of quite obvious froth in the shitcoin space that could hardly be sustainable at all and surely bitcoin cannot completely divorce itself from that frothy nonsense - including various misleading and distracting claims that pure shit coins, projects and ideas are equal to or similar to bitcoin in various kinds of ways.. which those kinds of ongoing nonsense talk even had been increasing (and maybe even continue to some extent) in this thread during these kinds of frothy shitcoin times, and maybe even getting to the point that one out of 3 thread participants are seeming to be in need of a wee bit of batman slappening until they snap their lil selfies out of their hopefully temporary delusions.

Just to elaborate a wee bit.  

Let's take a hypothetical person who has 21 coins (not referring to anyone specifically, even if Mindrust did proclaim to temporarily reach such status of 10 coins for part of a day in March 2020).

Just to make matters easier, I am just going to characterize this person as an overall BTC hodler for 9 years, even though many of us know that getting into bitcoin is much more complicated than purely establishing a BTC stash and then HODLing it because the reality is that the ups and downs are difficult to ignore and there are frequently a decent number of mistakes along the way, even with the most pure of BTC HODLers, but the smarter of the BTC long termers are mostly increasing or close to maintaining their holdings through the years.. even though yeah there are plenty of examples of long term bitcoiners who had hundreds of coins when they were not worth very much and are likely down to double digit quantities of coins or maybe even struggling to keep a 10 to 21 coin holding size.. so this 21 coin holder hypothetical is not going to capture so many nuances and even realities of the up and downness of both number of coins that might be held at various points in time during a 9 year timeline and even the management of the overall value of BTC holdings (even including dollar value considerations of such dollars that might be dedicated to bitcoin too) would likely fluctuate to a decent extent through the years, too.

So let's see it for a hypothetical person largely able to hang onto the value of 21 BTC at various dates over a 9 year period:

Date             BTC price                      Value of Holdings
2012                    $10.00                      $210.00
Early 2013:        $263.00                    $5,523.00
Late 2013:        $1,163.00                     $24,423.00
2014                   $550.00                      $11,550.00
2015                   $250.00                      $5,250.00
2016                   $600.00                      $12,600.00
Early 2017           $1,200.00                      $25,200.00
Mid 2017           $3,000.00                      $63,000.00
 Late 2017           $19,666.00              $412,986.00
Mid 2018           $6,000.00                      $126,000.00
Late 2018            $3,124.00              $65,604.00
2019                    $6,000.00              $126,000.00
Mar-20            $3,850.00                  $80,850.00
Sep-20            $10,000.00                  $210,000.00
Jan-21            $20,000.00                  $420,000.00
Apr-21            $64,895.00                  $1,362,795.00
5/19/21            $30,066.00                  $631,386.00
Yesterday            $40,000.00                  $840,000.00


In essence, the above chart that shows the UPs and downs of BTC value over such 9 year period of time (not even showing the month to month, but instead trying to capture some overall BTC price trend ideas) should be showing the May 19, 2021 drop as a
BIG SO FUCKING what,
rather than making such May 19 BTC price droppening out to seem as if it were some kind of end of the world drama blah blah blah bullshit for any of the mostly longer-term bitcoin HODLers (and accumulators)..

Ok.. yeah the hypothetical HODLer of the value of 21 BTC did end up losing $731,409 (but who is counting specifics?) in a very short period of time, and that lost value had been more than the whole value of his BTC holdings up until that date.  But still so fucking what?  That same HODLer had lost the whole value of his BTC holdings several times, but the trend has been upward, starting from about $210 and currently at about $840k... Should such a person give too many shits or be panicking over a loss of a wee widdle $731,409 (but who is counting specifics?) - maybe he has never actually even ever seen such quantities of value in the real world in his grubby little greedy hands (I mean real for real) because his house is only worth about $150k and half of that is owned by the bank... hahahahaha  (my overall point(s) still stand)
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So the yellow line, "the price seeking level" is ONLY drawn in "after the fact?"

We cannot know our upcoming "price seeking level" until after it has happened?

That sucks.

 Cry Cry Cry

We should change the 100k party to 50k party so we have some partying to do while we wait for the price to rise Smiley

I've run out of reasons to drink Cheesy

You must be new in these here parts, Kylapoiss.

The thing that tends to happen with these price level parties is that as soon as the party threshold is reached, then the threshold is moved up another 10x... same thing happened at $1k and $10k..

It will happen again at $100k, if it has not already shown itself to be in the midst of happening... speaking of parties.. have not seen 600watt around these parts for a while..

Anywhooo

Peeps no really want to party nor to meet udder peeps from the interwebs.  They just say that they want to meet and party like it is 1999.

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Interesting chart.  The bit missing is the price seeking level related to the NEXT halving.

cAPS... stole my thunder.

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Interesting chart.  The bit missing is the price seeking level related to the NEXT halving.
quadratic regression on the logarithmic scale indicates $76k
There's an app a chart for that ha ha

That seems low.. but whatever.. it is what it is, and surely none of us should be complaining about a price seeking level (presumably that lasts close to two years) that is around double of our current prices and around 17% higher than our current ATH, no?   

eth is a turd

I have no idea about how this leverage thing, how it works..? I have never tried but this seems convincing based on this wild up and down fluctuations $30k-$40k lines.

It's simple, borrow 100x of what you have and trade with it... 100x profit but 100x loss too, so if corn goes down 1% your collateral gets liquidated. Amazingly there is no lack of math-challenged idiots who think this will never happen to them.

now you know you don't need to own bitcoins to make money or crash it, just borrow a few thousands with ur MM pals and do a coordinated dump, -50% there you go gg easy wp

margin trading is dope for trading alts, in fact i only trade shortable alts. incremental long or short is power because they can't sustain a pump more than a few hours and they bounce hard in during frenzy times.

Do not recommend when market is flat tho

And here i thought 5x was already very dangerous (100x oh my how it is even allowed Roll Eyes )

I read somewhere that 20x was pretty common, and for quite a long ass time, I have not ONLY proclaimed that I am scared as fuck about leverage because I am not sure about how to attempt to use it effectively, but I have also been preaching for probably nearly 6 years (If memory serves me, probably I got a wee bit more cocky about my bitcoin stash, its performance and my strategies around it around late 2016) that historically bitcoin has had such outrageously stupendous abilities to have asymmetric upsides that there is NO need for leverage in order to preserve possibilities to get richie as fuck from bitcoin. 

There remains almost no evidence that the fundamentals of bitcoin, including its ongoing asymmetric upside has disappeared, even now at current prices.   Accordingly, having such an ongoing great upside potentiality continues to mean that guys do not even need to put a lot of relative value into bitcoin in order to enjoy great possible upside which results in greater financial and psychological options.. but still could take some time to play out.. and sure if anyone is investing small amounts or low on the 1% to 10% scale, then it likely is going to take way more time to play out for richie status or even greater options status.. and I am not even suggesting to rush it because peeps can (and should) ONLY do what is reasonable and prudently within their financial and psychological grasps because otherwise they are gambling rather than investing.
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https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/leaked-chinese-document-reveals-a-sinister-plan-to-unleash-coronaviruses/news-story/53674e8108ad5a655e07e990daa85465
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A document written by Chinese scientists and Chinese public health officials in 2015 discussed the weaponisation of SARS coronavirus, reveals the Weekend Australian.

Titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons, the paper predicted that World War Three would be fought with biological weapons.

Released five years before the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, it describes SARS coronaviruses as a “new era of genetic weapons” that can be “artificially manipulated into an emerging human ­disease virus, then weaponised and unleashed in a way never seen before”.

All the unnatural coronaviruses humans have been contracting since 2000 are results of genetic engineering as I contended at the outset of this pandemic. Only 2-3 natural coronaviruses have established true human transmissibilty in over 1 million years of human-viral co-evolution and now since genetic enginerring was developed we have seen 4 new human-transmissible coronaviruses in less than 30 years. The virologists are now more dangerous to humanity than any group on the planet. They possibly represent the great filter for our species.
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Lots of bullish signs/articles/ etc though we stay in the same zones... are we due for a pre summer PUMP ??

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Better than my guess for the contest:

69,820  MishaMuc
70,000  philipma1957
70,500  Slot Kid
71,500  fillippone
72,239  cAPSLOCK*
72,400  Phil_S
72,555  OutOfMemory

What if the price is $ 72,401?
Would Phil_S win, because his guess is more close or would i win, because the price would be over Phil_S's guess?




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Lots of bullish signs/articles/ etc though we stay in the same zones... are we due for a pre summer PUMP ??



Given my current price prediction. I do hope so.
I even posted fractal shit trying to pump some hopium.
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Well whether we like altcoins or not,

First of all, they are called shitcoins.  Stop being so nice.

they do inherit parts of bitcoin's robust nature, and in this case I think they do.  

Of course, they are sucking off of bitcoin's providing of security.  Bitcoin provides the safety net for all kinds of projects whether legitimate or scams.. and shitcoins are able to operate because bitcoin provides such security.. and they are even used as attack vector because a lot of status quo institutions (and individuals) are quite nervous about how powerful bitcoin is becoming.

They trade perpetually, are not deeply regulated, etc...

Ok... so fucking what?

Bitcoin allows for that, so why do we want to attempt to consider the matter as if it were being caused by some other factors.. a bunch of fucking dweebs and scammers have figured out all kinds of ways to make money, scam people and to skirt regulations.  I am not even arguing that any of it should go away or that it could go away, but I am suggesting to stop fucking being so delusional in terms of acting like bitcoin is not the dog in this matter or getting confused about if the tail is wagging the dog blah blah blah.. .

So I think the implication is he is "spot on" in the general sense.  I would agree.  

We can agree to disagree, in part for the reasons I already stated, and other part is that it is neither relevant to this thread or a good use of our time in this thread to be attempting to debate nonsense in regards to about how much shitcoins might have some good aspects... blah blah blah.

Though I do think his shitcoin

At least you have not forgotten the appropriate label to be using... good on you, cAPS.

romance will end badly for many people following him,

Well?  You seem to be saying something very similar to me, but I do believe that I am going one step further in that even if people do not follow him, if peeps are not calling out his bullshit then people can get misled by his fogginess whether they follow him or not.

though it might buy him more kinds of exotic rums for his dark wood pool/bar area since he gets to front-run his sheeps.

Is anyone saying that people cannot get rich by involving themselves in a variety of scams?  People have gotten rich as fuck from a lot of scams whether we talk about ETH, Doge, Bcashes, DEFI, NFTs, ICOs, etc etc..

I don't even have anything against people getting rich however the fuck it actually happens taking advantage of dumb fucks or whatever.. But we, can still call them out for various bullshit propaganda and misinformation and even when they are being subtle about it because they don't know how to say the word "bitcoin", and not even caring so much whether they are rich or not or even if people fall for their bullshit.. but we still can tell people not to be falling for the bullshit.. even though peeps still going to fall for it. not that they were not warned to think MOAR better... and get their shit together.. and when subtle bullshit messages are passed through this thread, it seems quite a good idea for pointing that out if it seems that it can be pointed out fairly clearly... not that we even need to agree.
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https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/leaked-chinese-document-reveals-a-sinister-plan-to-unleash-coronaviruses/news-story/53674e8108ad5a655e07e990daa85465
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A document written by Chinese scientists and Chinese public health officials in 2015 discussed the weaponisation of SARS coronavirus, reveals the Weekend Australian.

Titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons, the paper predicted that World War Three would be fought with biological weapons.

Released five years before the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, it describes SARS coronaviruses as a “new era of genetic weapons” that can be “artificially manipulated into an emerging human ­disease virus, then weaponised and unleashed in a way never seen before”.

All the unnatural coronaviruses humans have been contracting since 2000 are results of genetic engineering as I contended at the outset of this pandemic. Only 2-3 natural coronaviruses have established true human transmissibilty in over 1 million years of human-viral co-evolution and now since genetic enginerring was developed we have seen 4 new human-transmissible coronaviruses in less than 30 years. The virologists are now more dangerous to humanity than any group on the planet. They possibly represent the great filter for our species.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/26/politics/biden-intelligence-community-pandemic-origins-report/index.html

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... better yet " I'm thinking of forming the Interplanetary Spaceships Council"

... and Teslas should be banned from recharging with non-renewable electricity


that is quite on point
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