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Bart will help us

Obviously a (bear-) traB  Cheesy

EDIT: I'm out for today. The skies are clear, i cleaned the correction lenses of my favourite telescope, time to go combat the nearly full moon. May post OT images soon...
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This week's return to the bull mode was a bit surprising and a very positive sign.  The confidence is slowly returning and for now there is no indication that some FTX @ Aldmeda like companies are manipulating the market as in 2022. It seems that 2019 mini bull is repeating in 2023. If all goes according to plan the top should be 48K somewhere in late March or April. To this number I've arrived in 4 different ways - 2 extrapolations from 2 points, 1 historic top resistance and 1 purely psychological factor - 50K! And if it is a short lived peak as in 2019 then the price will return in the upper 30K. After that it may come back to the lower 30K or even below that, before the start of the real bull in 2024. Having said that, I don't see it as the most probable scenario. IMO the chances for the top of this bull until May 2023 are:
41K - 48K - 15%
31K - 40K - 30%
26K - 30K - 35%
25K - 26K - 20%
However, if the bull market is confirmed next week and we break 26K, the prob. chart will look like this:
41K - 48K - 30%
31K - 40K - 45%
26K - 30K - 25%
Unfortunately 26K wasn't even endangered once and now we have some bearish signs. This changes quite a bit the probabilities. I must add also that I have in mind Skew which makes probability predictions for some futures exchanges.

Also, I have to say that many times in Bitcoin's history predictions with less than a 1% probability came to reality. Check out this diagram made in early 2019 when the price was about 4K.

The chances for reaching 10K in June were very slim, but it happened anyway and we even were close to 14K! Can Bitcoin do a similar feat again in 2023? We shall see. As a ratio from the bottom however, we are at 1.43, which translated to 2019 would be 4.4K. Personally, I find it a bit worriesome that we are having such a strong resistance at 25K, with a still existing danger of invalidating the Jan-Feb bull run. So, I guess now the odds for the top until the end of June are:
>48K        - 1%
41K - 48K - 4%
31K - 40K - 10%
26K - 30K - 35%
25K - 26K - 50%
But everything can change instantly if we break the resistance 25-26K or there is some major good news.

Wow.  I am o.k. with your analysis, but you surely come off as a bit of a scared puppy.. to be wanting to compound one negative scenario after another and seemingly want to overly pee pare ur lil selfie for both downity and less likely scenarios... and I know that you are not presenting downity scenarios, but you are showing that you want to reduce your UPpity numbers in quite extreme ways because why?  Scaredy cat?  hahahahahaaha

Sure there is no problem in terms of being prepared for worser case scenarios, but still problematic to have the worser case scenarios as a kind of base case.

But whatever, you do you if you want to keep a decent amount of fiat (just in case sub $10k comes.. and I know that you are not really saying that), when you probably should be spending more time not putting so much efforts into mindpower, energies and likely finances into such negative scenarios.. and sure such downity scenarios still might happen, but still... I am just saying what is my impression.. even though I do appreciate that you are assigning somewhat realistic variables to UP.. .

And, even on a personal level, I have trouble figuring out how to assign up versus down and also putting a timeline on such assignments because I have a hard time concluding that we are out of the bear market until getting significantly above the 200-week moving average, and I am not even sure how to contemplate such variation of scenarios without us actually getting above the 200-week moving average an staying above it, which has not really happened in any kind of signifiant and meaningful way in the last 9 months... so yeah, BTC prices between the 200-week moving average and the 100-week moving average for a while would at least be helpful for me to start to think that maybe we are out of the bearmarket... so anyhow, I better stop, since the more I type, the more I am starting to consider that your numbers might be reasonable, even though my first impression is to call you a scaredy-cat who seems to want to jump negatively at any sign that UPpity might not be continuing in the short term... and then in recent times, especially the last year or so, you seem to overly assign negative long term ramifications to that.

I gotta pace myself... a self-directed mandate
I do not like this version of JayJuanGee Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Personally, I have always been quite fond of "self-directed" mandates.  But, hey maybe that's just me?  I get kind of stubborn sometimes, especially when I look at how self-directedly irresponsible I was during various times in that period... and some of that self-directed stubborness had gotten me into various pickles... and showing some of the various risk-loving aspects of my character that are not as pronounced (and least in terms of how to treat the corpus - meat wagon) in these days in contrast to the senses of immortality that existed during younger times, relatively speaking. #justsaying.

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Those charts a big part of your life?

Do you really think they help you calculate what will happen next?

Or are they a way to cope because "the future is not ours to see Que Sera Sera"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbKHDPPrrc

Oh gawd Philip.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You might need to consider using some charts yourself.. maybe you might be able to learn a wee bit in that seemingly ongoing stubborn noggen of yours.. hahahahaha no homo.. , so that you might be better able to assign probabilities to various possible scenarios rather than to get all worked up on one angle versus another and then seeming to ongoingly misallocate resources in accordance with your getting caught up into those wrong and even foolish angles of analysis.

I am not even suggesting that I agree with dragonvslinus in a majority of cases (actually, I am not sure how much I agree with him, but I recall that I used to disagree with him a lot more when he used to be more bearish.. but either he has come around or I have come around.. I am not sure?), and sometimes, I do consider that he is putting too much weight into aspects of the predictive capabilities of his charts (and likely limitations in regards to what could happen) based on such charting techniques.
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Those charts a big part of your life?

Do you really think they help you calculate what will happen next?

Or are they a way to cope because "the future is not ours to see Que Sera Sera"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbKHDPPrrc
I am not even suggesting that I agree with dragonvslinus in a majority of cases (actually, I am not sure how much I agree with him, but I recall that I used to disagree with him a lot more when he used to be more bearish.. but either he has come around or I have come around.. I am not sure?), and sometimes, I do consider that he is putting too much weight into aspects of the predictive capabilities of his charts (and likely limitations in regards to what could happen) based on such charting techniques.

Yeh for clarity I was a lot more bearish once Bitcoin broken below $18K to $15.5K, after initially thinking the bottom was likely in with initial capitulation to $17.5K, as well as had little to no conviction that price would hold $15.5K, as instead thought $12K or $14K was looking more likely. Took me a couple of months to be convinced that it was possible after enough consolidation, then was bullish again with the break above around $19K. I'm never been one for being accurate on bear market bottoms to be honest, as all the technicals are always screaming bearish, I'm better on trend changes as the technicals are a lot more obvious. The irony being that during those 200-ish days a DCA average would have been around $19.5K, whereas $20K dip buying and $19K break-out got me the same price, with less effort, while being completely wrong. Just saying.

Anyway, my theories of where price could next, whether back down to $20K or upto $30K shouldn't really be considered limitations just my perceived likelihoods. For sure we could double bottom at $15K (especially since we've seen a local double top), or otherwise continue onto $30K. It's purely my belief in the likelihoods/probabilities or these scenarios, which I find relatively low right now.  Probably the key point here is that I'm able to change my perception on bullish/bearish based on price change/action, unlike many others who are fixated on only one reality or the other, unable to change opinion etc.
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I feel charts for stocks are basically no different.

Bitcoin no is not a stock.

Helrow?

Just to let you know, just in case you missed that aspect in regards to dee king daddy, aka cornz, aka my lil precious, aka honey badgener.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

As soon as we had some positive news and positive direction we get hit by more negative news and the price looks like it could slip below $20000 again. I do not look at charts because I do not know how to read them and I think most of it is guessing from the speculato5rs but what caused us to slip down further after getting above $25000?

The punchline is that dee cornz cannot go up forever without having some meaningful corrections along the way, even if we might have some flukes from time to time in which the UPpity does not stop no matter what.. and even those fluke UPpities do not tend to last more than a few months, at best, when they do occur... and those fluke uppities are far from guaranteed from occurring, even though sometimes the bears and the various status quo downity cheerers do end up overplaying their hands and contributing to the likelihood that we are going to continue to experience those kinds of fluke and irrational and crazy uppity periods in the future... just don't gamble upon when you think that they might happen, because then you may well end up getting fucked (or in polite terms, reckt.. and ain't no body got time for dat, right?).   Wink
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Haha no no….. I actually have had a pretty lose single year atm and just found myself a new girl as very recently
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I remember I have seen this before but to this much accuracy it’s mind blowing.

This is study recently published for peer-review “High-resolution image reconstruction with latent diffusion models from human brain activity”

Below set of ”Presented images” were shown to a group of humans. The “Reconstructed Images” were the result of an fMRI output to Stable Diffusion.

Doesn’t it look like it can read human mind?



https://sites.google.com/view/stablediffusion-with-brain/

yeah but were these the best 5 out of 500?
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I remember I have seen this before but to this much accuracy it’s mind blowing.

This is study recently published for peer-review “High-resolution image reconstruction with latent diffusion models from human brain activity”

Below set of ”Presented images” were shown to a group of humans. The “Reconstructed Images” were the result of an fMRI output to Stable Diffusion.

Doesn’t it look like it can read human mind?



https://sites.google.com/view/stablediffusion-with-brain/

yeah but were these the best 5 out of 500?

Bingo!

Still...impressive considering how indirect fMRI data is.
What this tech would be able to do in 5-10 years?
A bit scary.
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OT:

I remember I have seen this before but to this much accuracy it’s mind blowing.

This is study recently published for peer-review “High-resolution image reconstruction with latent diffusion models from human brain activity”

Below set of ”Presented images” were shown to a group of humans. The “Reconstructed Images” were the result of an fMRI output to Stable Diffusion.

Doesn’t it look like it can read human mind?



https://sites.google.com/view/stablediffusion-with-brain/

yeah but were these the best 5 out of 500?

Bingo!

Still...impressive considering how indirect fMRI data is.
What this tech would be able to do in 5-10 years?
A bit scary.


I have so many questions.

Is it more like a camera recording live? ie is the subject staring at the image while the MRI is on.

Is there a time delay? Ie look at image for 1 minute look at blank white screen for 1 minute or for that matter try a free screen a blue screen a yellow one. Then test with the MRI


I can picture that you need a reset image so you can't be read. So you paint an image on your hand look at it to reset your brain.


Still very impressive tech. 1 step closer to the matrix. (if we are not there as of now)




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Blah blah
Why so hostile? If more people are innovating with cryptocurrency it means that more people are going to adopt it. I do not think that Europe or USA are the leaders in innovation I guess you are from a western country and listen to what the news wants you to think. Asian countries have done a lot of innovation and their economies are growing because of the innovation.

Oh? eXPHorizon still posting here?

@Macadonian, thanks for quoting him  Angry
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Blah blah
Why so hostile? If more people are innovating with cryptocurrency it means that more people are going to adopt it. I do not think that Europe or USA are the leaders in innovation I guess you are from a western country and listen to what the news wants you to think. Asian countries have done a lot of innovation and their economies are growing because of the innovation.

Oh? eXPHorizon still posting here?

@Macadonian, thanks for quoting him  Angry

yeah he is  on my ignore it is alway tough when he gets a quote or two.


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buddy is racking up deuces I think we get some weekend dip 21.5k maybe better.






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Who says that BTC price drops are not good news for some Cheesy

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Still very impressive tech. 1 step closer to the matrix.

In matrix people were used as batteries. In reality, we're not very good for that.

I want off this ride.

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OT:

I remember I have seen this before but to this much accuracy it’s mind blowing.

This is study recently published for peer-review “High-resolution image reconstruction with latent diffusion models from human brain activity”

Below set of ”Presented images” were shown to a group of humans. The “Reconstructed Images” were the result of an fMRI output to Stable Diffusion.

Doesn’t it look like it can read human mind?



https://sites.google.com/view/stablediffusion-with-brain/

yeah but were these the best 5 out of 500?

Bingo!

Still...impressive considering how indirect fMRI data is.
What this tech would be able to do in 5-10 years?
A bit scary.


I have so many questions.

Is it more like a camera recording live? ie is the subject staring at the image while the MRI is on.

Is there a time delay? Ie look at image for 1 minute look at blank white screen for 1 minute or for that matter try a free screen a blue screen a yellow one. Then test with the MRI


I can picture that you need a reset image so you can't be read. So you paint an image on your hand look at it to reset your brain.


Still very impressive tech. 1 step closer to the matrix. (if we are not there as of now)




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here is more info about the method:
https://the-decoder.com/stable-diffusion-can-visualize-human-thoughts-from-mri-data/

beware: site wants to know your location and wants to set lots of cookies, which could be declined.
combine that with this:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/next-step-surveillance-ai-finding-133038020.html
and it gets pretty orwellian

in 5 -10 years you enter the store and store's AI already knows what you want and jacks the price 10% "just for you"....albeit it already exists in the lo-tech world: painters, roofers, plumbers, etc set up the price partially on what they percieve you are worth, judging by your home/habitat. The more expensive it looks, the higher is the price of the same work...just a fact.
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Still very impressive tech. 1 step closer to the matrix.

In matrix people were used as batteries. In reality, we're not very good for that.

I want off this ride.



As a matter of Fact. Humans could very well be used as Batteries.
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Still very impressive tech. 1 step closer to the matrix.

In matrix people were used as batteries. In reality, we're not very good for that.

I want off this ride.




Maybe more of a cpu network via a chipped brain grid.


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