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[eXPHorizon]

Ha Ha.

Google computer can crack, generate all possible PKeys and BTC Wallets simoustanly in 3 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XbI9aJOXk


And the Chinese and Russians are freaking out cause they cant copypaste the tech 🤣

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[philipma1957]

Still can't decide on that hardware wallet...  
I want to dodge the ledger(s), originally wanted to choose a follow-up hw wallet as cold storage.
Now, when coming to feature sets, security design and even price, the choices are almost no-brainers, but going through the FUD and spam with the ledger's, i started to question the need of a hw wallet at all.
I could live with seedword lists and computers, but there will be less convenience in some usecases and security of storing the words would become even more crucial.

On the other hand, i like Passport's and Coldcard's stuff and have the required bucks to spend...

Many of us have said fuck Ledger.. they have shitty products and it has a lot of issues.

Trezor is very good and very user-friendly.

I heard that Passport is easier than Coldcard, and I found Passport to be way more difficult to use as compared with Trezor, and surely they have some air gapped security measures, but it can be a bit complicated to have standard wallets and passphrase wallets on the Passport.. .. but I am still practicing with it.. since I wanted to experiment a bit more.  Of course, anything you get should be open-source, and surely Ledger is not quite open source and they even admitted to having some abilities to access coins under certain circumstances, which should cause any of us to pause...even though they are a very popular shitcoin wallet, yet Trezor has a lot of shitcoins, too, even though you could get a bitcoin only version of Trezor.. which is just choosing which firmware to run, so any of the Trezor models can be bitcoin only or allow shitcoins depending on choice of firmware. .and even you could switch at a later date, too..

the basic trezor is cheap he can get two use one for btc use the other for various other crypto.

https://trezor.io/trezor-model-one-white  they have white or black in the basic edition one.

get one of each.  use one for btc only use the other for alternative crypto.

make a few copies of the seeds store the copies in a safe spot you are done.

a set of two is about 100 if you have 10,000 in coin or more it is under 1% of the value of your coins.

[JayJuanGee]

Still can't decide on that hardware wallet...  
I want to dodge the ledger(s), originally wanted to choose a follow-up hw wallet as cold storage.
Now, when coming to feature sets, security design and even price, the choices are almost no-brainers, but going through the FUD and spam with the ledger's, i started to question the need of a hw wallet at all.
I could live with seedword lists and computers, but there will be less convenience in some usecases and security of storing the words would become even more crucial.

On the other hand, i like Passport's and Coldcard's stuff and have the required bucks to spend...

I've used Trezor since 2013, love their devices and you can even flash BTC only firmwares on it. Have owned a few Ledgers as well (I like to tinker) but Trezor is where it's at for me

Was about to post the same thing. I've had two Trezors, the original Model One since 2017, and, more recently, the Safe 3. Absolutely no issues, and very satisfied. Between the two, I'd pick the Safe 3, as it allows everything to be done via its screen and buttons (no PC keyboard necessary, although you can still use it for convenience), and it also includes a Secure Element.

About Ledger, I bought two of them (I think it was the Nano S), one for me and one for a friend. Never opened mine, and ended up gifting it to another friend, so I don't have any experience on its use. Although I've heard positive things about their wallets, after the user data breach that happened to the company a few years ago, I lost confidence in them.

I'd recommend the Trezor Safe 3. I just saw there is now a new model, the Safe 5, with a color touchscreen. If you're into this sort of thing and expect to be using the wallet frequently, you can get that one for the convenience of the touchscreen. The Safe 3 is ideal for me, as I like its simplicity and don't use it very often.

The older models without the secure element are the Trezor one and the Model T.

The newer models with the secure element are the Safe 3 and the Safe 5. 

Yes the models are similar in terms of size between the trezor one and the safe 3.     The model T and the safe 5 both have color touch screens. 

All 4 of the models have similar features, including the ability to have an infinite number of passphrase wallets. 

I am pretty sure that the models with the secure element are less open source than the models without the secure element, since so far there has not been any secure element software that is completely open sourced.  So then there can be a question regarding who is your potential attack vector, and if some bad actor gets physical access to your device, then the older models without the secure element would be more vulnerable to that attack angle. 

The secure element will help with the physical attack vector, but it does not help with potential back door vulnerabilities since from my understanding so far there is not a way to get a secure element that is completely open source. 

Trezor proclaims to be striving to be as open source as they are able to be, including their ongoingly working on making a secure element that can be open sourced, which seems to be a worthy aspiration to be as open sourced as possible.    Many of us likely suspect that these bitcoin-related companies get various pressures from governments, so it cannot always be known how much they are having to share information or to write software in ways that governments find acceptable.. and so areas of not knowing (not being open source) can create concerns about ways that information could be compromised or unknown back doors could be present.  I don't claim to know technical intricacies in regards to how exactly to weigh trade offs.

You know another claim against the Trezor is to say that the USB cable is vulnerable, so that there are air-gapped wallets, like the passport and the coldcard... so there can be trade offs with usability and privacy/security.

[d_eddie]

Sir, muh famili
Stand firmly as a rock - NOT!
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[philipma1957]

Still can't decide on that hardware wallet...  
I want to dodge the ledger(s), originally wanted to choose a follow-up hw wallet as cold storage.
Now, when coming to feature sets, security design and even price, the choices are almost no-brainers, but going through the FUD and spam with the ledger's, i started to question the need of a hw wallet at all.
I could live with seedword lists and computers, but there will be less convenience in some usecases and security of storing the words would become even more crucial.

On the other hand, i like Passport's and Coldcard's stuff and have the required bucks to spend...

I've used Trezor since 2013, love their devices and you can even flash BTC only firmwares on it. Have owned a few Ledgers as well (I like to tinker) but Trezor is where it's at for me

Was about to post the same thing. I've had two Trezors, the original Model One since 2017, and, more recently, the Safe 3. Absolutely no issues, and very satisfied. Between the two, I'd pick the Safe 3, as it allows everything to be done via its screen and buttons (no PC keyboard necessary, although you can still use it for convenience), and it also includes a Secure Element.

About Ledger, I bought two of them (I think it was the Nano S), one for me and one for a friend. Never opened mine, and ended up gifting it to another friend, so I don't have any experience on its use. Although I've heard positive things about their wallets, after the user data breach that happened to the company a few years ago, I lost confidence in them.

I'd recommend the Trezor Safe 3. I just saw there is now a new model, the Safe 5, with a color touchscreen. If you're into this sort of thing and expect to be using the wallet frequently, you can get that one for the convenience of the touchscreen. The Safe 3 is ideal for me, as I like its simplicity and don't use it very often.

The older models without the secure element are the Trezor one and the Model T.

The newer models with the secure element are the Safe 3 and the Safe 5. 

Yes the models are similar in terms of size between the trezor one and the safe 3.     The model T and the safe 5 both have color touch screens. 

All 4 of the models have similar features, including the ability to have an infinite number of passphrase wallets. 

I am pretty sure that the models with the secure element are less open source than the models without the secure element, since so far there has not been any secure element software that is completely open sourced.  So then there can be a question regarding who is your potential attack vector, and if some bad actor gets physical access to your device, then the older models without the secure element would be more vulnerable to that attack angle. 

The secure element will help with the physical attack vector, but it does not help with potential back door vulnerabilities since from my understanding so far there is not a way to get a secure element that is completely open source. 

Trezor proclaims to be striving to be as open source as they are able to be, including their ongoingly working on making a secure element that can be open sourced, which seems to be a worthy aspiration to be as open sourced as possible.    Many of us likely suspect that these bitcoin-related companies get various pressures from governments, so it cannot always be known how much they are having to share information or to write software in ways that governments find acceptable.. and so areas of not knowing (not being open source) can create concerns about ways that information could be compromised or unknown back doors could be present.  I don't claim to know technical intricacies in regards to how exactly to weigh trade offs.

You know another claim against the Trezor is to say that the USB cable is vulnerable, so that there are air-gapped wallets, like the passport and the coldcard... so there can be trade offs with usability and privacy/security.

they now allow long number strings to get into the trezor.

you can do 10 ,15 , 20 number code to open the trezor

and a passphrase once you are in.


along with the 24 word seed if it breaks.

the bottomline is five dollar wrench 🔧 attack defeats the wallet and most any thing you do.

do I feel safe otherwise yeah i am safe enough. other than the five dollar wrench attack.

[d_eddie]

do I feel safe otherwise yeah i am safe enough. other than the five dollar wrench attack.

Inflation is going to help us. I hear security has gone up 2x in recent times!
The cheapest wrenches are now $10... 

[Leahized]

Merry Christmas in advance, Bitcoiner.


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Santa, in the night.
Buys Bitcoin like a mother.
Fuck, his sack's now light.

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[xhomerx10]

Ha Ha.

Google computer can crack, generate all possible PKeys and BTC Wallets simoustanly in 3 seconds.

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And the Chinese and Russians are freaking out cause they cant copypaste the tech 🤣

 Merry Christmas to you and your family.

[Leahized]

Amazon Founder Jeff Bezos is suggested by Michael Saylor to buy $600 Million worth of Bitcoin.

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[Zackz5000]

Merry Christmas bitcointalk family
Merry Christmas to you all and your family
Happy Holidays.

[philipma1957]

do I feel safe otherwise yeah i am safe enough. other than the five dollar wrench attack.

Inflation is going to help us. I hear security has gone up 2x in recent times!
The cheapest wrenches are now $10...  

under 8 with shipping but may be a bit too small
https://www.ebay.com/itm/364438629680?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/335738303806?

trying to find one around 10 inches long.

[d_eddie]

You need pro wrenches for a wrench attack. Let's leave the game to the pros, shall we?

[AlcoHoDL]

Two Sundays to go.
It was an exciting year.
Bitcoin at its best!

All walls demolished.
Miley Cyrus would be proud.
In Euro-Land too!

Saylor keeps buying.
Ramen and eggs stir-frying.
A1C flying!

He's done it again.
The Dude went Brasileiros.
Living the good life!

Kissing and touching?
Cousins experimenting...
Well, that's what she said!

Arrie meets Jimbo.
I didn't know cats could be gay.
Will Bitcoin approve?

Wishing everyone,
A very Merry Christmas.
Wallets full of corn!

#7wodigestsundayhaikus

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