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[Cassius]

Jorge, I have to ask. What do you get out of being here? I mean, psychologically? What purpose does it serve for you?
You seem impervious to reasonable arguments against your points so feel free not to answer the question if it's too awkward.

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[brg444]

delusional bulls will suffer.

i'm buying 

Are you using QuadrigaCX now Adam?

ya

How's it been? How long does it usually take for BTC withdrawal to show up in your wallet?

[adamstgBit]

delusional bulls will suffer.

i'm buying  

Are you using QuadrigaCX now Adam?

ya

How's it been? How long does it usually take for BTC withdrawal to show up in your wallet?

its instant.
i liked virtex better.
but QuadrigaCX does the trick.
still need to get fully verified and all that, hopefully that goes smoothly when i get around to doing that

[bad trader]

We are clinging onto another trend line (this time on Bitfinex). It could hold, but I do not see any reason why it would do so better than the others.

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[brg444]

delusional bulls will suffer.

i'm buying 

Are you using QuadrigaCX now Adam?

ya

How's it been? How long does it usually take for BTC withdrawal to show up in your wallet?

its instant.

As it should be of course... I'm having all kind of trouble with them since I signed up... Delayed deposits, withdrawals not being processed.. I'll need to give em a call again I guess

[TankHankerous]

Nice hidden buy order at 274 on Finex

This man is a fool!

Nothing but another dead cat trounce!

[Silverspoon]

Jorge, I have to ask. What do you get out of being here? ...

He is an educator by trade.  He strives to eradicate stupidity and ignorance.  Though his efforts are clearly wasted here--Bitcoiners are impervious to logic & reason.

[BlackSpidy]

Stolfi likes making senseless arguments to FUD. Come on, Jorge, I'm still waiting for a demostration for your claim!

(Before you scream "21 million": that bitcoin limit is "guaranteed" only by  fuzzy arguments about a complicated economic game, not "by math", and could be changed if the right players agreed to it.  Moreover, any kid can duplicate the amount of bitcoins in existence by creating a hard fork of the blockchain and starting to mine it on his laptotp.  Anyone who has bitcoins will gain an equal amount of those "series B" bitcoins, accessible through the same private keys, and could trade them independently of his old bitcoins by duplicating his wallet and downloading the kids's client software. Whether those "series B" bitcoins will get a significant market value is a market(ing) question, not a technical one.  And, of course, there are the altcoins.)

[adamstgBit]

delusional bulls will suffer.

i'm buying  

Are you using QuadrigaCX now Adam?

ya

How's it been? How long does it usually take for BTC withdrawal to show up in your wallet?

its instant.

As it should be of course... I'm having all kind of trouble with them since I signed up... Delayed deposits, withdrawals not being processed.. I'll need to give em a call again I guess

shitty to hear, i've just been trading...

i'm guessing they have been growing rapidly ( with virtex and satoshi vault recently closing ) and are having a hard time keeping up?

I figure QuadrigaCX  would be better than dealing with the chinese over at ANX

[aztecminer]

Follow another chinese bulltrap, lemmings dont need to think. BTC is going to sub 200 within few weeks whether like you it or not.

I wouldn't mind it, but sub 200 is not going to happen.

it is possible cuz i am out of the market for a few weeks. my decisions don't always make sense right away and i might appear to be flying by the seat of my pants most of the time.

[JorgeStolfi]

Jorge, I have to ask. What do you get out of being here? I mean, psychologically? What purpose does it serve for you?

I consider part of my job to understand computing subjects that have impact on society and offer advice on them. (For example, for the last 10 years I have been writing and speaking out about the risks of the Brazilian voting system.)

I started looking into bitcoin in late 2013 when it was starting to be sold here as a fabulous investment or hedge against inflation.  Fortunately, my fellow Brazilians have been largely skeptical of those claims, perhaps because they had just witnessed the collapse of a huge tech-based MLM scam, that stole a billion dollars or more from millions of "investors".  So my advice has been unnecessary so far.

As for this thread specifically, I have more than 50 bitcointalk threads on my watchlist, but this is the only one that has significant traffic and shows up every time I refresh the list.  It is also sort of the "local pub" where all news and topics get mentioned, from Bloom filters to beers.  And, with few exceptions, posters here are basically gamblers, which are mostly OK people; while some of the people who post on some of the other threads are defintely not OK...

You seem impervious to reasonable arguments against your points.

Well, I have the same impression of bitcoin believers: they won't admit that bitcoin has serious problems, no matter how obvious...

[JorgeStolfi]

Jorge, I'm still waiting for a demostration for your claim!

I just posted it, again:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg10811221#msg10811221

[aztecminer]

delusional bulls will suffer.

i'm buying 

yeah... adam is buying moar... we're going with the flow here.. adam buys first guaranteeing another price drop and then we follow him in... ok plan...break. let's do this. (except for me cuz i am out from buying for a few weeks) .

[xyzzy099]

Stolfi likes making senseless arguments to FUD. Come on, Jorge, I'm still waiting for a demostration for your claim!

(Before you scream "21 million": that bitcoin limit is "guaranteed" only by  fuzzy arguments about a complicated economic game, not "by math", and could be changed if the right players agreed to it.  Moreover, any kid can duplicate the amount of bitcoins in existence by creating a hard fork of the blockchain and starting to mine it on his laptotp.  Anyone who has bitcoins will gain an equal amount of those "series B" bitcoins, accessible through the same private keys, and could trade them independently of his old bitcoins by duplicating his wallet and downloading the kids's client software. Whether those "series B" bitcoins will get a significant market value is a market(ing) question, not a technical one.  And, of course, there are the altcoins.)

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I would be curious to see this demonstrated as well.

[xyzzy099]

Jorge, I'm still waiting for a demostration for your claim!

I just posted it, again:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg10811221#msg10811221

It looks like you reposted the claim, not any demonstration - or am I missing something?

[adamstgBit]

massive dumpage  on quadrigacx   

[BlackSpidy]

So now, it's happened before. Care to back up your claim? Or are you just gonna repeat it to "demonstrate" that what you're saying is true?
I would love to be able to just make claims, and merely saying "well, it's happened" be the demonstration.You're obviously not her for any real type of conversation, rather, you're here to make baseless bullshit claims. I dont know why you're so keen to FUD, but I know that you willfully make bogus claims.
Is it just me, or does "hard fork" always come up when the 21 million limit is disputed? "Well, you just hard fork here and there, and poof 21 million more bitcoin".

[Spaceman_Spiff]

Stolfi likes making senseless arguments to FUD. Come on, Jorge, I'm still waiting for a demostration for your claim!

(Before you scream "21 million": that bitcoin limit is "guaranteed" only by  fuzzy arguments about a complicated economic game, not "by math", and could be changed if the right players agreed to it.  Moreover, any kid can duplicate the amount of bitcoins in existence by creating a hard fork of the blockchain and starting to mine it on his laptotp.  Anyone who has bitcoins will gain an equal amount of those "series B" bitcoins, accessible through the same private keys, and could trade them independently of his old bitcoins by duplicating his wallet and downloading the kids's client software. Whether those "series B" bitcoins will get a significant market value is a market(ing) question, not a technical one.  And, of course, there are the altcoins.)

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I would be curious to see this demonstrated as well.

There is nothing to demonstrate.  If I understand correctly, he is just saying anybody can create an altcoin in which the initial ledger of ownership is taken over from bitcoin.  Of course, hardly anybody would see this as "being able to duplicate bitcoins".  

Of course this is not a technical issue.  To it sounds a bit like saying "passwords you can use on 1 website can be used on another website, therefore internet security is flawed".

[Silverspoon]

Gentlemen, this is not how you get to the moon, no sirree Bob.  You're headin' the wrong way, is what I'm trying to tell you.  Moon's the other way.