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April 12, 2015, 09:17:00 PM

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April 12, 2015, 09:17:40 PM

Any ideas why my "Activity" is stuck at 98?

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It goes up by 14 every 2 weeks.

Only goes up a max of 14 in that time no matter how many posts you make.

What if you were banned for a week? Do those days count?

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April 12, 2015, 09:18:33 PM

Any ideas why my "Activity" is stuck at 98?

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April 12, 2015, 09:19:22 PM

Any ideas why my "Activity" is stuck at 98?

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Don't think he's sockpuppet, he's just a bit of an _____ sometimes (He may have switched to short). But I could stop quoting him if you like?

Okay, benefit of the doubt time. In what way do you think Ito will help Bitcoin? I mean in the context of the current problems of the foundation, and the overwhelming view of its critics that we dont need a central authority in the first place.

edit: BTW Im not shorting bitcoin. I dont treat bitcoin as some stupid horse race or lottery that so many like to believe.

The Bitcoin development has been underfunded and uncoordinated to a point where it risks being unable to deal with major problems if uncovered. Having firm ground somewhere well funded with a lot of bright heads lessens the risk of Bitcoin stumbling on itself. I would love it if other universities or organisations in other countries set up similar centers, but you have to start somewhere.

Thats a great theory. But like communism, I reckon it wont fly.

Ito runs Media Labs, and media labs is NOT MIT. Its a commercial operation, and most projects it involves itself in are rooted in hard commerce and license. I worked on a project with them years ago ( a language extension for Mindstorms, NXC) and while they are brilliant in many respects, they are not the ideal partners for Bitcoin. Looking at the current tone and quality of the arguments against the BF at the moment, how do you think they would react to the suggestion that the centralised ( isnt that against the principle?) management of Bitcoin would be handled by a 100% commercially funded group?
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April 12, 2015, 09:34:30 PM

Any ideas why my "Activity" is stuck at 98?

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...deducted, right?
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April 12, 2015, 09:35:54 PM


The Bitcoin development has been underfunded and uncoordinated to a point where it risks being unable to deal with major problems if uncovered. Having firm ground somewhere well funded with a lot of bright heads lessens the risk of Bitcoin stumbling on itself. I would love it if other universities or organisations in other countries set up similar centers, but you have to start somewhere.

Thats a great theory. But like communism, I reckon it wont fly.

Ito runs Media Labs, and media labs is NOT MIT. Its a commercial operation, and most projects it involves itself in are rooted in hard commerce and license. I worked on a project with them years ago ( a language extension for Mindstorms, NXC) and while they are brilliant in many respects, they are not the ideal partners for Bitcoin. Looking at the current tone and quality of the arguments against the BF at the moment, how do you think they would react to the suggestion that the centralised ( isnt that against the principle?) management of Bitcoin would be handled by a 100% commercially funded group?

The "power" of BF is there only to the extent that the rest of the community lets them have it. We don't know exactly how this partnership looks like yet. If it's too unpalatable for the rest of the Bitcoin community they should get on with a competing/complementary body elsewhere. In fact, that's a good idea anyway.
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The Bitcoin development has been underfunded and uncoordinated to a point where it risks being unable to deal with major problems if uncovered. Having firm ground somewhere well funded with a lot of bright heads lessens the risk of Bitcoin stumbling on itself. I would love it if other universities or organisations in other countries set up similar centers, but you have to start somewhere.

Thats a great theory. But like communism, I reckon it wont fly.

Ito runs Media Labs, and media labs is NOT MIT. Its a commercial operation, and most projects it involves itself in are rooted in hard commerce and license. I worked on a project with them years ago ( a language extension for Mindstorms, NXC) and while they are brilliant in many respects, they are not the ideal partners for Bitcoin. Looking at the current tone and quality of the arguments against the BF at the moment, how do you think they would react to the suggestion that the centralised ( isnt that against the principle?) management of Bitcoin would be handled by a 100% commercially funded group?

The "power" of BF is there only to the extent that the rest of the community lets them have it. We don't know exactly how this partnership looks like yet. If it's too unpalatable for the rest of the Bitcoin community they should get on with a competing/complementary body elsewhere. In fact, that's a good idea anyway.

See, there is an implied paradox here...   People dont like the BF because "power". But bitcoin wont survive without  some sort of intelligent benign leadership. But this leadership will have  "power", and people wont like that... Rinse, Repeat.

You either have cake, or you eat cake. Until people get that into their heads, bitcoin will have some tough times ahead..
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April 12, 2015, 09:47:12 PM

It's just a lack of Bitcoin news and a stronger USD what causes the dump..
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The Bitcoin development has been underfunded and uncoordinated to a point where it risks being unable to deal with major problems if uncovered. Having firm ground somewhere well funded with a lot of bright heads lessens the risk of Bitcoin stumbling on itself. I would love it if other universities or organisations in other countries set up similar centers, but you have to start somewhere.

Thats a great theory. But like communism, I reckon it wont fly.

Ito runs Media Labs, and media labs is NOT MIT. Its a commercial operation, and most projects it involves itself in are rooted in hard commerce and license. I worked on a project with them years ago ( a language extension for Mindstorms, NXC) and while they are brilliant in many respects, they are not the ideal partners for Bitcoin. Looking at the current tone and quality of the arguments against the BF at the moment, how do you think they would react to the suggestion that the centralised ( isnt that against the principle?) management of Bitcoin would be handled by a 100% commercially funded group?

The "power" of BF is there only to the extent that the rest of the community lets them have it. We don't know exactly how this partnership looks like yet. If it's too unpalatable for the rest of the Bitcoin community they should get on with a competing/complementary body elsewhere. In fact, that's a good idea anyway.

See, there is an implied paradox here...   People dont like the BF because "power". But bitcoin wont survive without  some sort of intelligent benign leadership. But this leadership will have  "power", and people wont like that... Rinse, Repeat.

You either have cake, or you eat cake. Until people get that into their heads, bitcoin will have some tough times ahead..


This is not unique for Bitcoin, it's an issue with most open source projects. But it turns out to not be a major problem most of the time.

For instance, if Linus Torvalds became a scientologist and decided to "cleanse" the linux kernel for code deemed to be against the church, he would no longer be the benevolent dictator of linux. And people using linux would probably not even notice.
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April 12, 2015, 10:41:51 PM

People dont like the BF because "power". But bitcoin wont survive without  some sort of intelligent benign leadership. But this leadership will have  "power", and people wont like that... Rinse, Repeat.

You either have cake, or you eat cake. Until people get that into their heads, bitcoin will have some tough times ahead..

You obviously haven't followed Bitcoin development on GitHub. There is a " intelligent benign leadership" very much in place, and it has nothing to do with BF. Developers with Gavin as head wouldn't listen to BF if they think something BF is pushing is not good for Bitcoin. All people who's influence on development is significant are employed by large Bitcoin startups, and are very much interested for Bitcoin to succeed so those startups get to successful IPOs when they would monetize their role as core developers. There are no better guardians of Bitcoins then these group of guys, and they can do very well without Bitcoin Foundation, thank you very much.
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April 12, 2015, 10:57:11 PM

People dont like the BF because "power". But bitcoin wont survive without  some sort of intelligent benign leadership. But this leadership will have  "power", and people wont like that... Rinse, Repeat.

You either have cake, or you eat cake. Until people get that into their heads, bitcoin will have some tough times ahead..

You obviously haven't followed Bitcoin development on GitHub. There is a " intelligent benign leadership" very much in place, and it has nothing to do with BF. Developers with Gavin as head wouldn't listen to BF if they think something BF is pushing is not good for Bitcoin. All people who's influence on development is significant are employed by large Bitcoin startups, and are very much interested for Bitcoin to succeed so those startups get to successful IPOs when they would monetize their role as core developers. There are no better guardians of Bitcoins then these group of guys, and they can do very well without Bitcoin Foundation, thank you very much.

Good point.

The alignment of incentives was necessary for bootstrapping the network and will remain vital in keeping the experiment going.
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April 12, 2015, 11:03:53 PM

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This seems like the perfect calm before the storm... Will it be a Monday call? Which way? So many questions; so little answers... Wink

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This seems like the perfect calm before the storm... Will it be a Monday call? Which way? So many questions; so little answers... Wink

Goodnight from Greece.

Smiley many are still in USD. It's a pressure cooker.

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April 13, 2015, 12:16:46 AM

I understand what a tool is too.

Then you are not one of those who claim that bitcoin will be the solution to poverty, corruption, fraud, bank abuse, oppression, censorship, etc., etc..

Right?


Right.  And, not for the first time I'm reminding you that straw man arguments such as "those who claim that bitcoin will be the solution to poverty, corruption, fraud, bank abuse, oppression, censorship, etc., etc.. " are bullshit and I'm calling you on it.  Again.  I know hundreds of people within this community both on the technical and financial side and I can't think of a single one of them that sees it in the way as you're trying to paint it here.  Not one. 

It's a tool.  Like I said in my previous post, you're deliberately, disingenuously conflating tool and solution.  I know you're smarter than that hence my facetious tone.

Some tools, like crossbows for example, are known to have levelled the playing field somewhat between the previously empowered and the disenfranchised.  No longer did you need to be a trained full time professional belonging to a paid standing army to be useful on the battlefield.

Some tools, like surveillance databases, armoured cars and the like are known to have been of more use to those with privilege and power than those without.  Did we throw out computers because IBM helped the nazis track dissidents and minorities with their punched card technology?

Some tools, like hammers, are just tools and, as you've astutely pointed out, can be used to almost equal effect by anyone wielding them.  They are used to build both labour camps and hospitals.

The Internet is a tool that can be used by anyone for almost any purpose but, generally speaking, a society with ubiquitous access to a free and open Internet is a greater threat to the .1% than to the rest of us.

There's a possibility that Bitcoin is like a hammer.  Just a tool that anyone can use for better or for worse.  That's certainly how it looks right now.  But I suspect Bitcoin is more like the Internet.  Anyone can indeed use it but, generally, the level playing field its widespread adoption presents would be something very threatening indeed. 

As you've also said, they'll try to ban it, control it etc.  We're watching that.  It's fun.

You're certainly old enough to remember the painful death throes of the old guard music industry and how it flapped about and sued the hell out of anyone that moved in an effort to forestall the inevitable change that the Internet was bringing to their business models.

Well that ended in a complete overhaul of the industry in spite of their best, and most cunning efforts. 

But we know, for whatever reason, that you've closed your mind to anything positive about Bitcoin and are determined to repeat ad nauseam negative arguments regardless of whether anyone's shot them down or not so if it were just the two of us here, I'd certainly save my breath.

The key here really is that Bitcoin is a disruptive technology and if anything needed disrupting, it's the current global financial industry and the frankly horrific level of global inequality that it supports. 

If you'll forgive me, and I'm sure you will, I'm going to put you back on ignore now.  It's not like you ever say anything you haven't said before in one way or another.  Cool


Amazing that someone who keeps accusing Jorge of 'strawman' arguments, then proceeds on a massive rant made of hay.  Ad people who claim to be 'scientists' saying this is a great comment, can you not see the glaring contradictions, fallacies and errors.

It's such a shame that there are so many folks in the world who have been taken in by this 'disruptive' crap -- the reality is not 'democratization' but more concentrated power in the hands of not the rich but the (unelected) elite super-rich.

But Jorge pointed this out and then it all went silent -- because everyone who disagrees with the great BTC world view is a troll.

Keep banging away boys...the big money is surely round the corner
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