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June 29, 2015, 11:26:04 AM

Quoting myself from another thread:

-I was trying to buy something online (costing just 2-3$) with my greek visa, and the charge was getting rejected.
-Gas stations take only cash.
-Suppliers of stuff, take only cash as they are afraid of the consequences of accepting digital payments, and with that I include bank payments (they are afraid they will not be able to withdraw it, or their money could be bailed-in / converted to drachma etc etc).

There is in a sense a fungibility issue with the euro in Greece right now. Digital euros / bank euros "suck" as they are useless to transact. Cash euro is what counts for most people, even companies.

Times like these, you *realize*, not theoretically, but by living it, that you wouldn't trade your crypto for fiat and that crypto is immensely more useful (ie you can actually transact, when with digital cash / banks / cards etc you can't).

The sense of value increases in a way that is unexpected: I wouldn't trade a single BTC even if I was offered >1000 euro in the bank in these conditions. The euros in the bank are useless.


Thats true, but you have to acknowledge the fact that BTC at the moment is just as useless for you as euros in your bank account. Who accepts BTC in Greece? Are you able to buy gas, food, taxi etc with BTC? Paying your rent with BTC?

You see i dont wanna be overly pessimistic here but as long as nobody actually accepts it its basically as useless...

But if he wanted to leave the country and take his wealth he could.
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June 29, 2015, 11:27:11 AM

Quoting myself from another thread:

-I was trying to buy something online (costing just 2-3$) with my greek visa, and the charge was getting rejected.
-Gas stations take only cash.
-Suppliers of stuff, take only cash as they are afraid of the consequences of accepting digital payments, and with that I include bank payments (they are afraid they will not be able to withdraw it, or their money could be bailed-in / converted to drachma etc etc).

There is in a sense a fungibility issue with the euro in Greece right now. Digital euros / bank euros "suck" as they are useless to transact. Cash euro is what counts for most people, even companies.

Times like these, you *realize*, not theoretically, but by living it, that you wouldn't trade your crypto for fiat and that crypto is immensely more useful (ie you can actually transact, when with digital cash / banks / cards etc you can't).

The sense of value increases in a way that is unexpected: I wouldn't trade a single BTC even if I was offered >1000 euro in the bank in these conditions. The euros in the bank are useless.


Thats true, but you have to acknowledge the fact that BTC at the moment is just as useless for you as euros in your bank account. Who accepts BTC in Greece? Are you able to buy gas, food, taxi etc with BTC? Paying your rent with BTC?

You see i dont wanna be overly pessimistic here but as long as nobody actually accepts it its basically as useless...

But if he wanted to leave the country and take his wealth he could.

True.
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June 29, 2015, 11:29:04 AM

It's been faaaaar too long since I've seen any gifs on BitCoinity.org - soon maybe...
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June 29, 2015, 11:29:10 AM

Quoting myself from another thread:

-I was trying to buy something online (costing just 2-3$) with my greek visa, and the charge was getting rejected.
-Gas stations take only cash.
-Suppliers of stuff, take only cash as they are afraid of the consequences of accepting digital payments, and with that I include bank payments (they are afraid they will not be able to withdraw it, or their money could be bailed-in / converted to drachma etc etc).

There is in a sense a fungibility issue with the euro in Greece right now. Digital euros / bank euros "suck" as they are useless to transact. Cash euro is what counts for most people, even companies.

Times like these, you *realize*, not theoretically, but by living it, that you wouldn't trade your crypto for fiat and that crypto is immensely more useful (ie you can actually transact, when with digital cash / banks / cards etc you can't).

The sense of value increases in a way that is unexpected: I wouldn't trade a single BTC even if I was offered >1000 euro in the bank in these conditions. The euros in the bank are useless.


Just curious, if I were to fly down to Greece in this environment to capitalize on the market would it be better to bring Euros down to buy bitcoins for cash or would it be better to sell bitcoins for euros?
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June 29, 2015, 11:38:41 AM

An exciting Monday on many different accounts... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-28/with-61-seconds-in-a-minute-markets-brace-for-trouble
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June 29, 2015, 11:39:01 AM

Let's go people -


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I have big plans for that extra second.
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June 29, 2015, 11:49:10 AM

Western Union to close in Greece for rest of week

Only BTC is UP and working!  Cheesy
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June 29, 2015, 11:49:44 AM

Bitstamp just broke out the log downtrend.  Grin

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June 29, 2015, 11:50:36 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/29/bitcoin-fans-eye-potential-in-greek-crisis


Bitcoin fans eye potential in Greek crisis

Proponents hope cryptocurrency could soar in value as Greeks try to find ways to keep their money safe and avoid currency controls


The world is watching with bated breath as the Greek people consider how to vote in the country’s upcoming referendum. A yes vote on Sunday will see Greece accept the terms of the troika’s bailout, and commit itself to further austerity; a no vote will see the country taking the first step towards exiting the Euro entirely.

But not everyone is afraid of the prospect of “Grexit”. For proponents of Bitcoin, the cryptocurrency, a shaky Mediterranean economy implementing capital controls amid the prospect of full-blown exit from the euro recalls halcyon days gone by.

In theory, when the conventional financial system is experiencing turbulence, alternative currencies such as bitcoin should have their time to shine. The decentralised nature of the currency means that it’s impossible for any central bank to impose controls on it, while the pseudonymity at its core could make it the perfect vehicle to get money into and out of the country while avoiding legal reprisals.

The world is watching with bated breath as the Greek people consider how to vote in the country’s upcoming referendum. A yes vote on Sunday will see Greece accept the terms of the troika’s bailout, and commit itself to further austerity; a no vote will see the country taking the first step towards exiting the Euro entirely.

But not everyone is afraid of the prospect of “Grexit”. For proponents of Bitcoin, the cryptocurrency, a shaky Mediterranean economy implementing capital controls amid the prospect of full-blown exit from the euro recalls halcyon days gone by.

In theory, when the conventional financial system is experiencing turbulence, alternative currencies such as bitcoin should have their time to shine. The decentralised nature of the currency means that it’s impossible for any central bank to impose controls on it, while the pseudonymity at its core could make it the perfect vehicle to get money into and out of the country while avoiding legal reprisals.

As a result, Tony Gallippi, the co-founder of bitcoin payment processor Bitpay, tweeted on Sunday night that he expected the price of bitcoin to rise to between $610 and $1,250 if Greece exits the Euro. The currency is currently worth $250. On Reddit’s bitcoin subforum, users are sharing tips on how to buy bitcoin in the country, and commenting on reports of bank runs in the capital: “Should’ve bought bitcoins”.

Part of the reason why the crisis is so tempting for proponents of the cryptocurrency is the echoes of a previous crisis in the Eurozone: the banking collapse in Cyprus in 2013, which saw that nation also impose capital controls to prevent massive outflows of currency from the panicking country.

That collapse came at the same time as the first major boom in the price of bitcoin, which began the year at less than $20 and peaked at ten times that by early April – before it all came crashing down.

At the time, many credited the price rise to interest in the currency sparked by the banking crisis, but Nathaniel Popper, author of the book Digital Gold: the Untold Story of Bitcoin, says that they are labouring under a misapprehension.

Speaking on the Guardian’s Tech Weekly podcast, Popper explained that the rise was more likely caused by an influx of money from Silicon Valley. In those days, “if someone buys $1m of bitcoin in one go … that will make the price rise”, he said.

For now, the price of bitcoin has steadily risen as the Greek crisis has intensified, from $240 on Wednesday to $250 over the weekend. It remains a long way off its 2014 highs of $1,000 per coin, but what happens after Sunday’s vote is anybody’s guess.

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June 29, 2015, 11:50:42 AM

BTC-e is down for an hour already and no one mentions it here. suspicious..

Because it's not down, it's just slow. There is no need to mention it, it's always slow in busy hours/days.
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June 29, 2015, 11:51:00 AM

Quoting myself from another thread:

-I was trying to buy something online (costing just 2-3$) with my greek visa, and the charge was getting rejected.
-Gas stations take only cash.
-Suppliers of stuff, take only cash as they are afraid of the consequences of accepting digital payments, and with that I include bank payments (they are afraid they will not be able to withdraw it, or their money could be bailed-in / converted to drachma etc etc).

There is in a sense a fungibility issue with the euro in Greece right now. Digital euros / bank euros "suck" as they are useless to transact. Cash euro is what counts for most people, even companies.

Times like these, you *realize*, not theoretically, but by living it, that you wouldn't trade your crypto for fiat and that crypto is immensely more useful (ie you can actually transact, when with digital cash / banks / cards etc you can't).

The sense of value increases in a way that is unexpected: I wouldn't trade a single BTC even if I was offered >1000 euro in the bank in these conditions. The euros in the bank are useless.


Just curious, if I were to fly down to Greece in this environment to capitalize on the market would it be better to bring Euros down to buy bitcoins for cash or would it be better to sell bitcoins for euros?

Greece has its first one way ATM that takes Euros and credit cards for Bitcoins, though I'm not sure if its still taking credit cards, or even working anymore. If the operators have run out of Bitcoins they might have trouble sending money to an exchange to buy more. If you could find out the operational status of that ATM it would give a good indication of whether you should take Euros to buy bitcoins for cash, or sell Bitcoins for Euros.
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June 29, 2015, 11:51:15 AM

A few more breakouts and I'll be posting bull FUD and train pics myself
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June 29, 2015, 11:57:24 AM

Thing is...... The Greeks already voted in a way on this issue, when they held their elections...... they voiced their opinion on austerity quite clearly.

I am not sure they have changed their minds now.


If anything you have to wonder if their will to stick two fingers up at the eurozone , will be stronger than ever.


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