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Question: Predicted Price Range for the End of October:
Below $3,000 - 11 (4.5%)
$3,000-$3,500 - 6 (2.4%)
$3,500-$4,000 - 9 (3.6%)
$4,000-$4,500 - 25 (10.1%)
$4,500-$5,000 - 45 (18.2%)
$5,000-$5,500 - 38 (15.4%)
$5,500-$6,000 - 34 (13.8%)
$6,000+ - 79 (32%)
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February 17, 2017, 03:59:45 PM



haha, funny picture.
everything is a matter of perspective! based on your previous comments i am sure you meant this as to be seen from left to right but the "car" seems to be heading down if you look at it from right to left Grin
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February 17, 2017, 04:02:24 PM

Bitcoin is just like a balloon underwater, some try to hold in under but the longer they keep it underwater the harder it will shoot up.

Bitcoin is not exactly the first attempt at monetary reform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFIuATI0558

I hate those Zionist Jews with there Pyramid Debt Slave Fiat Ponzi Banking System. They got so much power for so many years, even huge army's cant take them out...But now, we can by-pass them with Bitcoin without fireing one singel shot! Thats my main reason why i'm a fanatic Bitcoin supporter, financial freedom for everybody!

Bitcoin can't defeat them for numerous reasons such as mining centralizing via economy of scale where you need to be a corporation-level entity to participate at all.  Bitcoin will be ruled by oligarchs with the last name "Goldstein" just like every other financial product on earth.  Attempting to remove the economy of scale aspect usually opens you up to Sybil attack.  To actually make bitcoin decentralized, you would have to use more advanced cryptography and invent decentralized captchas or puzzles where users manually solve them by hand instead of oligarchs creating giant, automated farms where they rule over bitcoin as slumlords, rigging the fee markets and siphoning off all the transaction fees until they own them all, maintaining their slavery over you.

In other words, it's EXTREMELY difficult for Bitcoin to make a real positive impact on the financial world in current form.  The only real decentralized currencies on earth known to man are using the noble metals as currency in physical form (not "backed" paper).  Of the noble metals, only two qualify for use as currency:  gold and silver.  Of those two contestants, "they" have already cornered one of them - gold, leaving you with silver as the only real decentralized currency on earth in the current state of affairs.  Although JP Morgan supposedly owns more silver than the Hunt Brothers did now - 550 million ounces ($10 billion).
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February 17, 2017, 04:46:09 PM


If a court liquidates OKccoin before the end of its withdrawal freeze the Bitcoins on the exchange could get locked up indefinitely, until a receiver shares them out. That would help maintain the supply/demand imbalance on other exchanges. There's not enough coins to satisfy demand as it is.

Not to mention, I have a sinking suspicion (as others have noted too) that some of the Chinese exchanges could be insolvent, might have been for a long time now.  They've probably gotten away with naked shorting for a while now.

If the PBoC ever starts to audit them, they might be in trouble.

^talks begin re: bailout of insolvent bitcoin exchanges in mainland china :-D
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February 17, 2017, 04:48:56 PM

Just about all these exchanges are MtGoxs.  Huobi and their constantly running algorithm that moves the price around wherever it wants at will is even more shady than MtGox was.
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February 17, 2017, 04:49:49 PM

Markets at this moment don't seem to agree on a price or even price evolution:

Huobi & OKCoin - first going down, now up to the moon.
Bitstamp - stable just under 1000€
Bitfinex - slightly bullish with continuous increase - 1000 € in sight now
BTCC - very bullish

Seems the Chinese withdrawal restrictions are making prices diverge because arbitrage isn't that easy now.
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February 17, 2017, 04:56:36 PM

About to hit €1.000,- on Kraken!!  Grin Grin Can't stop the feeling! Just dance, dance, dance girl! Wink
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February 17, 2017, 05:02:16 PM

Bitfinex - slightly bullish with continuous increase - 1000 € in sight now

It actually touched $1067.4USD on Finex a little while ago. That's 1004.85EUR.

Of course it bounced down from there, but not too far.
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February 17, 2017, 05:12:37 PM



haha, funny picture.
everything is a matter of perspective! based on your previous comments i am sure you meant this as to be seen from left to right but the "car" seems to be heading down if you look at it from right to left Grin
Actually I saw the car was facing down, I posted it right after the max at $1065, I just found it funny
I'd like to try to make useful posts but being serious or posting facts doesn't seem to be the mood here
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February 17, 2017, 05:28:24 PM

It actually touched $1067.4USD on Finex a little while ago. That's 1004.85EUR.
Of course it bounced down from there, but not too far.

You are actually right. The Euro went down in the last 3 hours from 1.067 to 1.062 USD. But when Finex hitt 1067 USD the EUR already was below 1.065. But it's very possible that the bounce was related to the mBTC/Euro parity  (looks cooler this way, I think Wink ).

I think this time it looks definitely like the  EUR/mBTC barrier will be broken. Demand seems very strong - even on Chinese exchanges, where people would have to wait almost a month to withdraw their BTC. 
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February 17, 2017, 05:40:19 PM

We are heading to new ATH!
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February 17, 2017, 06:05:09 PM

IMHO the real question after all the PBOC/China drama how many "real" coins are on those exchanges?
The timing can't be better:
1. First fake volumes (no idea how many coins they handled)
2. Fees got introduced (volume drop by 90%)
3. Withdrawal stops (sorry guys we have been faking our books but we can't fake the blockchain, we don't really have your coins)
4. Use your imagination


i get it know! PBoC wants the exchanges to pump the price! the exchanges went steaming ahead with no real bitcoins. PBoC caught them with their hands in the (empty) cookie jar. now they have 4 weeks time to actually GET THOSE coins, which means they need to buy them on exchanges. that is why we see the buying pressure all around the globe. on top of that they try to buy on their own exchanges, but of course they try to buy with a discount in their own shops...

moon ahead! /tinfoil hat off

I’m afraid you got that right. I'm not sure whether or not is the PBOC which wants the pump but that's it. If that's the case I would not be surprised to see new Mt.Goxes
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February 17, 2017, 06:13:39 PM

What happened with r0ach? Wasn't he very bullish on bitcoin last year?
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February 17, 2017, 06:16:38 PM

IMHO the real question after all the PBOC/China drama how many "real" coins are on those exchanges?
The timing can't be better:
1. First fake volumes (no idea how many coins they handled)
2. Fees got introduced (volume drop by 90%)
3. Withdrawal stops (sorry guys we have been faking our books but we can't fake the blockchain, we don't really have your coins)
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i get it know! PBoC wants the exchanges to pump the price! the exchanges went steaming ahead with no real bitcoins. PBoC caught them with their hands in the (empty) cookie jar. now they have 4 weeks time to actually GET THOSE coins, which means they need to buy them on exchanges. that is why we see the buying pressure all around the globe. on top of that they try to buy on their own exchanges, but of course they try to buy with a discount in their own shops...

moon ahead! /tinfoil hat off

I’m afraid you got that right. I'm not sure whether or not is the PBOC which wants the pump but that's it. If that's the case I would not be surprised to see new Mt.Goxes
It seems they were (are) working with fractional reserve. Now all of those fake bitcoins went back to where they belong: they doesn't exist.
If there are only real bitcoins on the market, having the same demand price has to go up.
And if they are really buying even better.
I have just one concern. What if huobi and okcoin have more fake bitcoins than the total amount of real offer in the market?
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February 17, 2017, 06:18:35 PM

What happened with r0ach? Wasn't he very bullish on bitcoin last year?

He got kicked out of his synagogue for inappropriate behaviour. He hasn't taken it well.
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February 17, 2017, 06:21:58 PM

What happened with r0ach? Wasn't he very bullish on bitcoin last year?

He`s a bastard Russian racist. He is fudding BTC for months now. 
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February 17, 2017, 06:28:57 PM

Haha, makes sense. Thanks guys!
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February 17, 2017, 06:33:02 PM

What happened with r0ach? Wasn't he very bullish on bitcoin last year?

He got kicked out of his synagogue for inappropriate behaviour. He hasn't taken it well.
I laughed out loud on that one!
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February 17, 2017, 07:05:36 PM

What happened with r0ach? Wasn't he very bullish on bitcoin last year?

He got kicked out of his synagogue for inappropriate behaviour. He hasn't taken it well.
I laughed out loud on that one!
He obviously sold all of his coins and went all in on silver expecting it to moon after Trump started his trade/currency wars with China. I have my fair share of silver but my sentiment for Bitcoin is way higher. Silver is merely for bartering if the shtf.
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February 17, 2017, 07:06:03 PM

What happened with r0ach? Wasn't he very bullish on bitcoin last year?

I still own bitcoin, but there is no possible endgame for Bitcoin whatsoever where having bitcoin become the world reserve currency would be better for humanity than using gold and silver.  Kaczsynky was right and increasing technology is always inherently anti-freedom.  Bitcoin isn't even fungible and all transactions are traced for fucks sake.  It's already an Orwellian system by default, and it's inevitable the entire thing from top to bottom will be co-opted by govt the further it goes.

Like I said before, government is going to create a fixed address alias system wrapper that goes around bitcoin and force you to use it or be considered a launderer.  You think you've defeated "the man" (or jew as the case may be) by using bitcoin, but the jokes on you if you think that's the case.  After they get you into that system, then they'll turn the entire thing keynesian with infinite coin count.  Bitcoin probably already needs to turn inflationary to defeat it's newest discovered attack vector in the first place.

The end result by herding everyone into bitcoin will be nothing more than bankers accomplishing their cash ban with the added bonus of full surveillance police state built into it and you willingly accepted it.  Deep down, everybody fucking knows what I'm saying is true, but they're in it for the short term profit gains.  If you could play god and invest X amount of money into silver or bitcoin then physically delete the one you didn't pick from time and space afterwards, there is no reason whatsoever to choose bitcoin if you value having some type of freedom in the long term.

He obviously sold all of his coins and went all in on silver expecting it to moon after Trump started his trade/currency wars with China. I have my fair share of silver but my sentiment for Bitcoin is way higher. Silver is merely for bartering if the shtf.

No, I still obviously have a lot of BTC or I wouldn't be posting here.
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Of course mentioning a non-fungible currency where every transaction is traced with white and black lists - making it a permissioned ledger - is not going to lead everyone to the promised land of economic freedom and sound money is going "full retard".  It can possibly give you an end to debt based currency in the short term, but I believe govt will co-opt it and turn it into infinite coin count anyway.  Like I said before, the newest attack vectors point to the fact that bitcoin will likely have to turn inflationary in the first place to defeat them.

Then after they put their alias system wrapper around bitcoin and force you to use it, they'll probably use that to auto-deduct taxes from you in some manner (at the 90% rate for people like Roger Ver), so you're just trading debt based currency for "confiscate everything" currency.  We might be able to make money in the short term, though.  Just don't forget to use the profits to buy gold and silver - the only known, real decentralized currencies on earth and base of Exter's pyramid.
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