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December 31, 2017, 11:57:09 AM

Bitfinex down



Edit:  will be back up 15 - 30 minutes .....

Nice to see the arse fall out of Bitstamp on the news. 
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December 31, 2017, 11:59:11 AM

yeah. for me too  Angry
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December 31, 2017, 12:01:23 PM

Bitfinex down

Maybe it's time for their yearly exit scheme?
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December 31, 2017, 12:02:19 PM

Only 4.3% people voted $12,000-$14,000 for Dec 31, the second least popular option. Interesting, it seems that crowd sentiment is a great contrarian indicator.

I voted $10,000-$12,000 several weeks ago. Just based on MasterLuc's prediction. There's still time to hit the target. Remember what he said, if we go back to $10,000 again next floor is $70,000. The lower we go up to $5,000 the higher is the next floor.
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December 31, 2017, 12:07:40 PM



The lower we go up to $5,000 the higher is the next floor.

Or the longer we stay at a relatively low price. It's also a function of time.
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December 31, 2017, 12:13:06 PM

Remember everyone. The end game of all of this fud, shit coin pump and dump, mempool spam, forks, and now empty blocks, is to separate you from your bitcoin. It would take a team of full time employees to keep track of all the shit. If you don't have a team of full time employees, the only move here is to hodl. Don't let them have YOUR bitcoin. Make them pay for it at a premium. Stop thinking so small! Take a year off. This is a long game. 4 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Relax, forget about bitcoin, go back to work, come back in a year.
[ It's that simple, they wan't your Bitcoin. The rest is theater. ]
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December 31, 2017, 12:15:32 PM

Finally, the graph of bitcoin isn't looking "abnormal" like it was just a few days back (constantly getting pumped up and up, with more people around the world buying and just buying). I expect bitcoin to stay at the current level for a while now and then start moving back up again. Weak hands must have been shaken big time in the past few days though, which is another positive point for true believers of bitcoin. Smiley
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December 31, 2017, 12:19:22 PM



The lower we go up to $5,000 the higher is the next floor.

Or the longer we stay at a relatively low price. It's also a function of time.

Yup, the medium term floor is slowly rising each week.
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December 31, 2017, 12:19:35 PM

This thread has turned into a bunch of zombies that make believe the price can only go up 1000% per year.  Does anyone care that bitcoin is completely centralized?  No.  Does anyone care that bitcoin doesn't actually function as some type of transactional currency and it's only real function is a crowd sourced pump and dump?  Not really.  For all intents and purposes, bitcoin can be replaced with a stock ticker on the NYSE called "widgets" that have no type of use besides having a finite amount.
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December 31, 2017, 12:22:10 PM

This thread has turned into a bunch of zombies that make believe the price can only go up 1000% per year.  Does anyone care that bitcoin is completely centralized?  No.  Does anyone care that bitcoin doesn't actually function as some type of transactional currency and it's only real function is a crowd sourced pump and dump?  Not really.

Will you have some patience? It looks like LN is (FINALLY) coming soon enough.

If you can't, then just sell! And go on to other more productive things for you.
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December 31, 2017, 12:27:24 PM

Remember everyone. The end game of all of this fud, shit coin pump and dump, mempool spam, forks, and now empty blocks, is to separate you from your bitcoin. It would take a team of full time employees to keep track of all the shit. If you don't have a team of full time employees, the only move here is to hodl. Don't let them have YOUR bitcoin. Make them pay for it at a premium. Stop thinking so small! Take a year off. This is a long game. 4 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Relax, forget about bitcoin, go back to work, come back in a year.

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I hope in 2018 we will see prices with 6 digits! In the worst case scenario,  the 20K will be revisited for sure. HODL!
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December 31, 2017, 12:32:40 PM

This thread has turned into a bunch of zombies that make believe the price can only go up 1000% per year.  Does anyone care that bitcoin is completely centralized?  No.  Does anyone care that bitcoin doesn't actually function as some type of transactional currency and it's only real function is a crowd sourced pump and dump?  Not really.  For all intents and purposes, bitcoin can be replaced with a stock ticker on the NYSE called "widgets" that have no type of use besides having a finite amount.
I for one dont give a fuck. why you here? did you sell all your btc for silver? when it hits $100000 you will still be complaining.  roll on the next 1000% rise .
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December 31, 2017, 12:42:08 PM

Will you have some patience? It looks like LN is coming soon enough.

You cannot be serious.  Do you actually know what LN is?  I'll tell you what it is.  LN is nothing more than establishing bitcoin banks on top of the blockchain.  All of the exact same regulation traditional banks have will be applied to them and bitcoin will be virtually identical to your current banking system.  The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because it's too difficult for them to play whack-a-mole with regulating miners, but the LN "nodes" aka banks are less ambiguous in nature and will be regulated to infinity just like any normal financial services provider or bank.  

The costs, compliance, and amount of lawyers needed will be so high only entities like JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs will run them.  This is how crony capitalism works.  You introduce regulation with compliance requirements and fees so high that only your existing monopoly can participate while all small competitors are eliminated.

Nevermind the fact LN doesn't function in a decentralized manner in the first place.  There is also ZERO incentive for LN nodes aka banks to broadcast transactions to external peers.  There is actually incentive for these bitcoin banks to FORCE a hub and spoke model or cartel collective in order to hold their users hostage for usury fees (just like regular banks do). There's also nothing that stops them from changing usage of bitcoin as settlement to ripple, US dollars, or anything else.  I wrote more on why LN is unworkable on the technical side here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg26860586#msg26860586
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December 31, 2017, 12:46:19 PM

Does anyone care that bitcoin is completely centralized?  No.
I for one dont give a fuck. why you here?

To stop the bugmen cucks from cheerleading some completely centralized govt tracking system obviously.  There is no defeating the jew bankers using bitcoin.  The bankers love you buying this garbage.  The only thing the bankers are afraid of is people buying physical metals.
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December 31, 2017, 12:49:42 PM

Does anyone care that bitcoin is completely centralized?  No.
I for one dont give a fuck. why you here?

To stop the bugmen cucks from cheerleading some completely centralized govt tracking system obviously.  There is no defeating the jew bankers using bitcoin.  The bankers love you buying this garbage.  The only thing the bankers are afraid of is people buying physical metals.
your so funny
buy sand cus it's not held by banks and it's decentralized sand is the future
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December 31, 2017, 12:55:45 PM

When LN is going to be a complete trojan horse (as I explained in my post on the previous page), why would the bankers NOT want you to buy bitcoin?  Whether cockstream is in on the scheme and doing this on purpose or they're somehow delusional and don't know what's going to happen is the only question.  It's possible they drank too much Antonopolous koolaid and don't even understand it's not possible to create a decentralized digital currency in the first place, only centralized ones.
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December 31, 2017, 01:11:58 PM

At 13300 someone sold 700 BTC on bitfinex down to 12768. Sells like this are highly suspicious and quite often in the last 2 weeks. I am convinced that the xrp company is behind the last attack just like Ver and sockpuppets did before that. This was prepared months ago by gathering hundred of thousands BTC, then sell each time it starts rising. In the meantime they buy of their own offers (mostly) to continue the pump. Fortunately, BTC has only several millions coins in circulation, so this manipulation can't continue longer than few weeks. Hodlers know this and won't fall for their satanic rituals  Grin
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December 31, 2017, 01:18:55 PM
Last edit: December 31, 2017, 01:38:14 PM by bitserve

Will you have some patience? It looks like LN is coming soon enough.

You cannot be serious.  Do you actually know what LN is?  I'll tell you what it is.  LN is nothing more than establishing bitcoin banks on top of the blockchain.  All of the exact same regulation traditional banks have will be applied to them and bitcoin will be virtually identical to your current banking system.  The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because it's too difficult for them to play whack-a-mole with regulating miners, but the LN "nodes" aka banks are less ambiguous in nature and will be regulated to infinity just like any normal financial services provider or bank.  

The costs, compliance, and amount of lawyers needed will be so high only entities like JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs will run them.  This is how crony capitalism works.  You introduce regulation with compliance requirements and fees so high that only your existing monopoly can participate while all small competitors are eliminated.

Nevermind the fact LN doesn't function in a decentralized manner in the first place.  There is also ZERO incentive for LN nodes aka banks to broadcast transactions to external peers.  There is actually incentive for these bitcoin banks to FORCE a hub and spoke model or cartel collective in order to hold their users hostage for usury fees (just like regular banks do). There's also nothing that stops them from changing usage of bitcoin as settlement to ripple, US dollars, or anything else.  I wrote more on why LN is unworkable on the technical side here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg26860586#msg26860586

I am completely serious. The trees aren't letting you see the forest behind. Yes, LN in its first phase might introduce some sort of "centralization" in that a hub and spoke model will be easier, cheaper and faster to deploy. But:

1- We are talking about L2. I wouldn't have any problem in additional layers more or less de/centralised. You shouldn't too, as they are all optional... just additional layers!

2- That's just at its first stage. It won't be that hard to evolve into a more decentralized structure some time later.

3- Rerouting a big amount of tx's to those (maybe) more "centralised" layers will free up more "space" for direct blockchain tx's.

... And, above all, it will be the best digital payment system ever known to man... Invest now, wait for it, and then fucking sell all your BTC for more shiny metals if that's your thing. Do you have some ethical (or mental) problem getting profits for your investments? No wonder you hate Jews so much. They don't fucking care about all those irrelevant details.
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December 31, 2017, 01:22:14 PM

I am completely serious.

Why are you bothering to engage this nothing? In the time you wrote that you could've saved a life or invented cold fusion.
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December 31, 2017, 01:29:07 PM

it will be the best digital payment system ever known to man...

On that note, I foresee that exchanges will morph into banks (or banks morph into or move towards exchange functions) creating payment gateways on top of cryptocurrency systems and also cryptocurrency card providers slowly but surely building up a secondary payment layer, first between users of the same card (Monaco is going to offer this), later between cryptocurrency credit card providers themselves.

But the option to work outside of all these additional layers remains. That is the power of it all.
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