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February 12, 2018, 07:09:22 PM
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Opening/closing a channel is done by a bitcoin transaction on bitcoin network. Haven't you heard of bitcoin tx fees?

Yes yes, I know... which is why I'm admitting my initial experiments with going hog-wild funding channels, willy-nilly, was an ill-conceived idea.

Going to need to re-think the game-theory of this.

I think eventually LN will develop a fee market just the same as on chain transactions have.  But the main difference is a single on chain transaction drives as many LN transactions as you have the channel open for.  So if you handle lots of transactions you can spread the cost, and also your profit over the entire batch.

Right now the LN is probably not exactly super active.  So you are incurring a fee to just play with it.

In a sense LN brings a sort of decentralized bank layer to the blockchain.  Complete with teeny little interest.
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February 12, 2018, 07:29:37 PM

There are trading bots. They buy low and sell high. The whole day. Keep the spreads small, and it will be profit. Still doesn't beat a half decent hedge fund manager, you know, the real ones that make good decisions. (And yes, humans make bad decisions too.)
Most hedge funds get floored by the average equity market growth rates. And those that are the most competitive are highly data driven and rely on machine learning. The amount of data that goes into the trading decisions by a decent bot is something that no human could ever dream of processing himself. Especially not in realtime. If ML isn't the norm in hedge funds yet, it's only because of a lack of ML talent due to the relatively young age of the industry and not because humans can outperform the best algorithms.

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February 12, 2018, 07:32:12 PM

https://markets.bisq.network/

bisq does fiat and is what they're calling a 'decentralized exchange'

Bisq does p2p matching much like localbitcoins. They use their app to match people and one or two guys act as arbitrators in case of dispute.

The idea is that there will be many arbitrators but when you look closer, it's basically the two guys that created the software. That's how they make money on it. Certainly a step in the right direction.
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February 12, 2018, 07:42:02 PM

https://markets.bisq.network/

bisq does fiat and is what they're calling a 'decentralized exchange'

Bisq does p2p matching much like localbitcoins. They use their app to match people and one or two guys act as arbitrators in case of dispute.

The idea is that there will be many arbitrators but when you look closer, it's basically the two guys that created the software. That's how they make money on it. Certainly a step in the right direction.
Bisq jumped on the BCH bandwagon during the fork trouble. Let's not forget that.
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February 12, 2018, 07:43:21 PM

https://markets.bisq.network/

bisq does fiat and is what they're calling a 'decentralized exchange'

Bisq does p2p matching much like localbitcoins. They use their app to match people and one or two guys act as arbitrators in case of dispute.

The idea is that there will be many arbitrators but when you look closer, it's basically the two guys that created the software. That's how they make money on it. Certainly a step in the right direction.

lol not a great model then
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February 12, 2018, 08:07:47 PM

I guess nobody cares about this: http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/11/investing/lagarde-bitcoin-regulation/index.html

Wow was 8000 the new bottom retest?

Where’s Smokey the Bear?

Maybe that IMF statement was too pathetic sounding?
Why would anybody give a rat's ass about regulation when decentralized exchanges are on the horizon? For the very first time in history regulators won't be able to dictate their rule upon citizens.

Yea that sounds very interesting i’ll have to read about what that means... how they work etc.
It means that they can't be taken down, because just like Bitcoin they would be a distributed peer to peer platform. The details are more complex, with atomic swaps and whatnot, but basically you'd be trading with people directly via smart contracts, which would actually be safer than traditional exchanges as well due to the abolishment of counterparty risk (as long as there's no Parity style fuck ups).

I looked into it a bit and it looks awesome. But I’m still not sure how you get fiat in and out of the exchange if it’s decentralized. Sure u can do p2p fiat transactions like on localbitcoin but beyond that I don’t see how u could cash out so easily unless u find one person who wants all your coin ur selling.  

I think it will be more like a decentralized Tether where you will do p2p like localbitcoins to get your crypto-fiat, but from there you can participate in crypto exchanges just as if you were on a regular exchange. Most people only put their money on the exchange or take it off once in a while. The p2p transactions would not be too frequent in that case.
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decentralized atm

that would be awesome or shops just accept btc

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Bringing AUSCOIN to the mainstream consumer market through the implementation of its world-first ATM network;

atm - btc to cash, cash to btc - wallet of your choosing i think

promising
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February 12, 2018, 08:49:44 PM

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auscoin.io
Bringing AUSCOIN to the mainstream consumer market through the implementation of its world-first ATM network;

atm - btc to cash, cash to btc - wallet of your choosing i think

promising

oh man

the cops are going to just love the shit out of that


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auscoin.io
Bringing AUSCOIN to the mainstream consumer market through the implementation of its world-first ATM network;

atm - btc to cash, cash to btc - wallet of your choosing i think

promising

oh man

the cops are going to just love the shit out of that


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Already 3 btc atms operating in Sydney Australia by a company called "Bitrocket"

https://coinatmradar.com/city/157/bitcoin-atm-sydney/

http://www.bitrocket.co/

Available in Sydney, Melbourne, Tasmania. Coming In 2018: Parramatta, Gold Coast, Brisbane, Hobart, Perth, Newcastle and Adelaide.

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February 12, 2018, 09:23:31 PM

Round 2...



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February 12, 2018, 09:26:33 PM

Oh bitcoin Why cant we go through $9k struggling
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February 12, 2018, 09:35:23 PM
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Oh bitcoin Why cant we go through $9k struggling

Instead of bitcoin users buying bitcoins they are creating 9k memes. While Wall Street is selling.

Put away the Windows Paint and buy fools!
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Oh bitcoin Why cant we go through $9k struggling

Instead of bitcoin users buying bitcoins they are creating 9k memes. While Wall Street is selling.

Put away the Windows Paint and buy fools!


If i had the Damn money  i woud buy them all
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February 12, 2018, 10:33:16 PM
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May I please get September 1st 2018? Nobody got September and I love September. Since I am a latecomer I will donate the entire sum if it happens to be me. Sounds good?

If you snatched the prize from somebody who would have otherwise won, I don't think they'd be too pleased about that, even if you do donate your windfall. You're working with new information now that wasn't available to the other participants, so you shouldn't be allowed to compete.
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February 12, 2018, 10:42:00 PM

Ratio of BFX longs to shorts is at ATH (blue line is longs v shorts).  Longs outnumber shorts 3.7:1


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February 12, 2018, 10:44:56 PM

Ratio of BFX longs to shorts is at ATH (blue line is longs v shorts).  Longs outnumber shorts 3.7:1


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Can you explain whats going on here? to the stupid lol..
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February 12, 2018, 10:46:58 PM

Ratio of BFX longs to shorts is at ATH (blue line is longs v shorts).  Longs outnumber shorts 3.7:1


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That's worrisome.
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