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[demonic098]

There will be a hardfork tomorrow. Do you think the price will pump today?

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[HairyMaclairy]

I have three cats, so I'm stuck here. Moving pets around the world is too complicated.

I can´t see, why moving three cats, once it´s done, could hinder me.

Do you even herd cats bro?

There will be a hardfork tomorrow. Do you think the price will pump today?

If we don’t know about it, no one does.  What hardfork?

Nice 36% pump on XVG.  Why can’t I short that shit. 

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

work illegally

something is seriously wrong with any system where work is ever illegal

We're also still plugging away at a tried and failed system,  democracy and capitalism. So ya, things look kinda grim in the forecast while the majority of us either consent to doom or try to find the best loophole to escape cope with it.    

So, what's the alternative to capitalism in your book? Cause I don't see anything wrong with it. It's the only system, if unobstructed, that self-regulates. Everything else is artificially steered by humans, humans that are inherently incapable of seeing the bigger picture of all the interactions in a system as complex as our planet. And so far I haven't even read about anything that comes even remotely close to capitalism.

Democracy on the other hand... is just the opposite extreme of authoritarian regimes and ultimately not much different.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

I am pretty sure you can game the tax systems by “earning” all your income while offshore or in a tax free jurisdiction  and not staying in any particular Western country for more than 179 days [does not work for US citizens]

So fly to Dubai to cash out your BTC and then go skiing for a couple of months, rinse repeat. 

The problem that I have is specifically with owning property in that kind of situation. I don't want to go from hotel to hotel or Airbnb to Airbnb for the travel part. But if I could just own two houses and have each of them set up as a fully functional base then I would be perfectly happy to just fly over from one to the other every 6 months. Just haven't found anything specific regarding this edge case yet.

I think in Thailand you have to be a citizen to buy...you can lease, which is what most foreigners do. Actually most marry a local and the wife buys the property.

The citizen part was what I was worried about. Seems to be that case everywhere. I know that foreigners can buy property in Japan, but it seems like that is only for commercial purposes (such as renting out). Suppose using family could work though (in case there are no decent countries that allow non-citizens to own property for private use).

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly. And everybody speaks english.

Great to know, thanks! That leaves me with at least two viable countries to stay in with my own property and at least two more (of interest) in which I can at the very least rent without any hassle. Going to have to get off my lazy ass and hit up some lawyer that specializes in international tax policies sometime.

[Elwar]

Great to know, thanks! That leaves me with at least two viable countries to stay in with my own property and at least two more (of interest) in which I can at the very least rent without any hassle. Going to have to get off my lazy ass and hit up some lawyer that specializes in international tax policies sometime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_earned_income_exclusion

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Great to know, thanks! That leaves me with at least two viable countries to stay in with my own property and at least two more (of interest) in which I can at the very least rent without any hassle. Going to have to get off my lazy ass and hit up some lawyer that specializes in international tax policies sometime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_earned_income_exclusion

That's not an issue from me since I'm not from the US (and certainly would leave if I was despite the exit tax).

[Vlada69]

How's tax day coming along fellow Americans?

[pfrtlpfmpf]

I have three cats, so I'm stuck here. Moving pets around the world is too complicated.

I can´t see, why moving three cats, once it´s done, could hinder me.

Do you even herd cats bro?

There will be a hardfork tomorrow. Do you think the price will pump today?

If we don’t know about it, no one does.  What hardfork?

Nice 36% pump on XVG.  Why can’t I short that shit.  

Do i even herd them ? Good god, gracious, no !  Nothing is farther in my mind  
It didn´t even come to me, that i could "herd" them.

Ok, here´s the disclaimer: If you would stretch out your hand, a cat would move back and forth underneath it. They are wankers. So there you have it.
Dog Lover, no cats in my house, sorry !

[Rosewater Foundation]

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly. And everybody speaks english.

It's also Sweden.

Also being overrun by muslim immigrants that are increasingly incompatible with civilized societies, but the Swedes are so cucked, they're bending over and taking it, while saying "Thank you. Can I have another ?"

I can't believe what's happening over there in Europe.

It's terrifying to me.

Are you terrified, B'awb?

[Rosewater Foundation]

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly. And everybody speaks english.

It's also Sweden.

Also being overrun by muslim immigrants that are increasingly incompatible with civilized societies, but the Swedes are so cucked, they're bending over and taking it, while saying "Thank you. Can I have another ?"
I can't believe what's happening over there in Europe.
It's terrifying to me.

Are you terrified, B'awb?

Nah. Pretty chill actually. Think I'm finally starting to catch up on sleep and starting to slowly work on personal passion projects. I have faith Bitcorn is going to grow nicely this season.

I'm looking forward to hearing them. Hope you'll share.

[Thekool1s]

BobLawblaw, humanity is a plague no matter who it is.. Just look around without being biased.. We are a civilization of destruction, we have been fighting each other since the beginning and it will continue no matter what... There isn't meant to be peace... That's the sad reality... 

[Thekool1s]

work illegally

something is seriously wrong with any system where work is ever illegal

We're also still plugging away at a tried and failed system,  democracy and capitalism. So ya, things look kinda grim in the forecast while the majority of us either consent to doom or try to find the best loophole to escape cope with it.    

So, what's the alternative to capitalism in your book? Cause I don't see anything wrong with it. It's the only system, if unobstructed, that self-regulates. Everything else is artificially steered by humans, humans that are inherently incapable of seeing the bigger picture of all the interactions in a system as complex as our planet. And so far I haven't even read about anything that comes even remotely close to capitalism.

Democracy on the other hand... is just the opposite extreme of authoritarian regimes and ultimately not much different.

capitalism feeds the human greed that's the biggest issue i see with it... That greed then leads man to make immoral decisions. The more power you have the better are the chances of you getting away with the crime...

[El duderino_]

common BTC 9000 next stop

[El duderino_]

CON-MAN: Roger Ver attempts to co-opt Blockchain event in Tokyo.

Roger created fake invitations to attempt to “prove” the appearance of bcash’s presence

https://theicojournal.com/con-man-roger-ver-attempts-to-co-opt-bitcoin-event-in-tokyo/

[HairyMaclairy]

EIP867 has been merged.  Bring on the protocol wars.

https://cryptoticker.io/ethereum-improvement-proposal-867-sparks-fierce-debate/

https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-867.md

[TERA2]

Soon...

[Icygreen]

work illegally

something is seriously wrong with any system where work is ever illegal

We're also still plugging away at a tried and failed system,  democracy and capitalism. So ya, things look kinda grim in the forecast while the majority of us either consent to doom or try to find the best loophole to escape cope with it.    

So, what's the alternative to capitalism in your book? Cause I don't see anything wrong with it. It's the only system, if unobstructed, that self-regulates. Everything else is artificially steered by humans, humans that are inherently incapable of seeing the bigger picture of all the interactions in a system as complex as our planet. And so far I haven't even read about anything that comes even remotely close to capitalism.

Democracy on the other hand... is just the opposite extreme of authoritarian regimes and ultimately not much different.

capitalism feeds the human greed that's the biggest issue i see with it... That greed then leads man to make immoral decisions. The more power you have the better are the chances of you getting away with the crime...

Surely I don't have a working model for humans to follow vs. capitalism and I agree with Thekool1s, greed and power seeking are the largest problems. Greed and power separates us fundamentally.    
I'm not sure how long but I don't believe capitalism will exist far into our evolution. I think our unique ability to be conscience of ourselves will ultimately lead us back to hive mind where 1 is no more important than another and in fact its critical that all participate selflessly and  simultaneously. Sort of like ants. Fire-ants if you like   or bees.  Sure, there's a queen but shes not an authoritarian figure but responsible to create the strongest and most efficient community for the whole. Quite contrary to our current and historical attempts.
Humans cannot possibly evolve without passing through this simple and fundamental value of selflessness.
Democracy suggests that the majority will pass a vote. Compounded with greed (capitalism) leads to corruption and ultimately tyranny where only division is possible.  Currently humans are the biggest joke on the planet although we are unique in our ability to be self aware and pursue individual free will (tainted by our own constructs of democracy and capitalism).  
Hive mind in my opinion is the only way forward and when we start to become this, those previous constructs will dissolve.

[Thekool1s]

Icygreen BANG!! on target... I like you already... Sent some merit towards your way

[HairyMaclairy]

Soon...

Fish for breakfast? Kippers on toast?

[Ibian]

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly. And everybody speaks english.

It's also Sweden.

Also being overrun by muslim immigrants that are increasingly incompatible with civilized societies, but the Swedes are so cucked, they're bending over and taking it, while saying "Thank you. Can I have another ?"

I can't believe what's happening over there in Europe.

It's terrifying to me.

How's tax day coming along fellow Americans?

Much poorer Filed and paid online. Already had both the FY17 and Q1FY18 payments sucked out of my accounts by the IRS this morning.

Sadface.

One more year of "painful" tax returns with all the BTC selling I've done for retirement purposes this year, but have no concerns with meeting those obligations - especially with making a small estimated payment for Q1FY18.

Pay your estimated quarterly tax, folks. It saves you a lot of butthurt when you file at the end of the year.

And if you complain about migrants on facebook or twitter, you go to jail. At least in germany and england, same pattern everywhere, just a matter of degrees.