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June 18, 2018, 03:32:15 PM

Here is a download link link to the primary source PDF on that BIS hit piece from the other day

https://www.bis.org/publ/arpdf/ar2018e5.htm

' Bitcoin is a catastrophe for the entire planet'
' Bitcoin is in a state to shut down the internet'
' Bitcoin is not centralised so per definition not stable'
' Bitcoin requires to much computing power/electricity'
' Bitcoin transactions are only possible with large servers/computers'

It's been a while when i saw so much bullshit from bankers, they know what's comming and it is not looking good for them.

The transition to decentralised banking will make them dispensable.

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June 18, 2018, 03:53:50 PM
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bitcoin looks bullish

Volume certainly appears to be picking up.

Just for once, I'd like to call an accurate wormsign. I've fucking blown pretty much every one of those, and the Fremen are getting really ticked off.

goddamn right we are...I pissed in your hydro, post filter
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June 18, 2018, 03:56:04 PM

Is there any sing that the Lightning Networks are creating some real world use of bitcoin? Like purchasing some stuff from shops?

Is there any explorers to look and analyse the use of the Lightning Networks?

How about atomic swaps.

https://joltfun.com works well, and bitrefill is doing the lightning network successfully too.

neither of those are actual killer apps as you can pay fine with normal bitcoin. i think we'll have to wait for someone to come up with something really surprising and it no doubt will come out of nowhere and amaze us.

https://explorer.acinq.co  that looks like some type of explorer. dunno about actual transactions.
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June 18, 2018, 04:02:20 PM

BTC =

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June 18, 2018, 04:09:58 PM

Here is a download link link to the primary source PDF on that BIS hit piece from the other day

https://www.bis.org/publ/arpdf/ar2018e5.htm

' Bitcoin is a catastrophe for the entire planet'
' Bitcoin is in a state to shut down the internet'
' Bitcoin is not centralised so per definition not stable'
' Bitcoin requires to much computing power/electricity'
' Bitcoin transactions are only possible with large servers/computers'

It's been a while when i saw so much bullshit from bankers, they know what's comming and it is not looking good for them.

The transition to decentralised banking will make them dispensable.


Yeah the one I just read on CNN money was a joke, that if everything single fiat transaction was Bitcoin it would cripple the internet. So the internet hasn't scaled and doesn't continue to? Is Bitcoin currently trying to replace all fiat transactions? (Especially with today's infrastructure?) It's just fud now.
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June 18, 2018, 04:17:22 PM

Not sure if it's any indicator at all but my gf's localbitcoins sales have been up.

Though it could just be the new program I wrote to push her to the top of the list.

Several 100k baht trades today (about $3k each) with one guy asking if she can do 400k, settling for 100k because all her money was back on the exchange.

Usual trades are usually a few around 10-20k per day.
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June 18, 2018, 04:24:53 PM
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We have evidence in this thread of users not wanting to accept Segwit transactions. That's users not miners, that's a lack of fungibility, and that's an issue.

I didn't know that. If you gave me a legacy BTC address (if we had some sort of deal or transaction), I'd send you some BTC that came from a native segwit address. You'd still get your BTC, and you'll likely get it confirmed in a block faster too. Why would you not accept that? Would you return it?

Its a crazy idea, but it is true. There are some Bitcoiners out there that will not accept a Bitcoin TX if there is any segwit TXs in its lineage. Take this with a grain of salt, as my understanding of this attack is very basic and I have no clue how viable it is. The idea behind not accepting Segwit TXs is because there could be a potential 51% collusion attack in the future, where the miners would roll back the Segwit fork and accept all the past Segwit txs as anyone can spend. They would then continue mining the original protocol satoshi designed. So theoretically, there would be two chains. The legacy BTC chain, and the rolled back Segwit chain with all the stolen coins. Any "Legacy" BTC that has no Segwit TXs in its lineage have no risk of being stolen in this attack.

Again, like I said, I have a very rudimentary understanding of this attack. I don't really know the specifics or its viability. This is something that Anonymint has been talking about on this forum recently under his alt account "anunymint".

If the practice of not accepting coins that have any segwit anywhere in their history is actually true, then I would concede that lessens bitcoin's fungibility; however,  first of all this seems to be a fabricated set of facts... nonetheless if folks are merely playing such nonacceptance games for political reasons, then this group surely would have to garner support for such issue before such lessening of fungibility becomes something worthy of attention.  

Still seems like a FUD spreading phenomenon to me (and the topic of fungibility seems to be a large exaggeration rather than based on any kind of meaningful issue), rather than anything that is likely to become a real and meaningful problem.


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About fungibility.... if one (jbreher?) wants to take the term to the extreme meaning (IDENTICAL), then that doesn't really exists. There's no two identical anything. Not in cash -bill denomination, serial numbers, usage wrinkles, etc) not in gold bars -different weight, composition, usage marks, etc- neither in crypto, yeah.

Of course this fungibility is not an issue, until either a government or individuals begin to engage in a practice of changing value of coins based on demarcation, which is currently not an issue, but instead a speculation of an issue that could come up perhaps maybe blah blah blah.  And, also assuming that there is no way to remove history, then there is a way that coins could begin to look distinguishable from their history... but so far remains a BIG SO FUCKING WHAT?

But it is common sense to use the term as SIMILAR/REPLACEABLE and in that respect there is absolutely no lack of fungibility due to Segwit as jbreher is saying. That's complete bullshit.

You seem to have identified the problem, and that is jbreher trying to distort issues.
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June 18, 2018, 04:30:25 PM

HOW CAN THIS BE ?!???

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June 18, 2018, 04:32:09 PM



HOW CAN THIS BE ?!???


massive green dildo, don't you see it?

edit: $200 spike
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June 18, 2018, 04:36:05 PM
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massive green dildo, don't you see it?

Well, TBH, I was feeling it, more, but didn't want to say anything...

EDIT: @WhaleCalls

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June 18, 2018, 04:44:11 PM

Good morning all.

9am...banks opened..dumping filthy fiat...weeeeee! (This is also a technical term for those in the know...fyi)







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June 18, 2018, 04:52:21 PM

Still some Barting activity. I don't buy it sorry.
Sad to admit a few people are making a shit-ton of money due to this self-evident manipulation.
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June 18, 2018, 04:55:08 PM

well now
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June 18, 2018, 04:55:20 PM

Still some Barting activity. I don't buy it sorry.
Sad to admit a few people are making a shit-ton of money due to this self-evident manipulation.

I hate that I'm agreeing with you Sad

I fear this is a short-term upward-Bart before resuming the inverse-Bart pattern we've been seeing as of late.
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June 18, 2018, 04:56:21 PM

Shit's about to get real.
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June 18, 2018, 05:02:17 PM

https://twitter.com/BitmexRekt/status/1008748209626329088  This means that $10M worth of BTC were bought? This explains volume's spike and green dildo (leading to another bart simpson? I hope not lol)
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Still some Barting activity. I don't buy it sorry.
Sad to admit a few people are making a shit-ton of money due to this self-evident manipulation.

I hate that I'm agreeing with you Sad

I fear this is a short-term upward-Bart before resuming the inverse-Bart pattern we've been seeing as of late.
If it does sideways for the next hours and goes back down (250$ cliff) Bart's confirmed.
I would be more than happy to be wrong though!  Grin
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June 18, 2018, 05:09:41 PM

Bitmex is a bucketshop you noobs.  It does not matter who gets liquidated or longs or shorts there.  Bitmex positions don't drive the market; people would manipulate the real market to blow up Bitmex positions, not vice versa.  But what type of serious money would actually trade on a fucking bucketshop scam site in the first place?  If people were manipulating the real bitcoin market solely to try and sway positions on some tiny bucket shop nobody sane would actually trade on, it means the bitcoin market is far more pitiful than anyone could imagine.
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June 18, 2018, 05:11:31 PM

Still some Barting activity. I don't buy it sorry.
Sad to admit a few people are making a shit-ton of money due to this self-evident manipulation.


Well..that is your prerogative I guess. My take on it is this..  I know for about a 95% certainty that bitcoins price will at least double in the next twelve months. I dont know where you can find better odds than that at present.

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I would call this a corrective move upwards not only due to technicals but also fiat fleeing legacy markets on a downturn. On the daily we are still well below moving averages. I would estimate a conservative target of $7.26k by months end.


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