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[Bitcoinaire]

The thoughts of having a double bubble akin to 2013 are all but dead, unfortunately. Unless something totally awesome happens, 2019-2020 could be a big stinker. Which would suck, big time. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

[jojo69]

Hairy


log scale my man

that is all

[JayJuanGee]

The thoughts of having a double bubble akin to 2013 are all but dead, unfortunately. Unless something totally awesome happens, 2019-2020 could be a big stinker. Which would suck, big time. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

Huh?  Such possibility is far from dead yet.  Sure, such 2013 possibility might not play out exactly on the same timeline as 2013 (like within the same number of months), but our current drop to $5,200 is not sufficient in order to be 2014-like rather than 2013-like...  

 Accordingly, you seem to be assuming additional downward price from here, which has not happened, yet.  

In other words, your pronouncement of "long crypto winter" scenario (bitcoin's death), such as that being spouted out by some others, including hairie bearie (ok.. he is not proclaiming death... but whatever, close enough).. remains premature, still.  

[HairyMaclairy]

Hairy


log scale my man

that is all

?  It is log.  Just Y axis compressed in this view

[PoolMinor]

If you are so smart, PoolMinor, then 1) you gotta be really richie and 2) why would you buy all the way down to $2,200 rather than just waiting for $2,200 and buy at that seemingly "inevitable" BTC price point?  Does not make sense to buy "all the way down."  Did you misspeak about your supposed BTC buying plan?

As a long term trader I think you would have a reasonable idea as to why to buy all the way down. If you don't understand, sorry, I don't have time to enlighten you at this time.

I am not asking from my perspective, I am asking from your perspective based on your assertion of supposed wisdom about 1) other peeps in this thread filled with too much hopium and 2) your assertion that BTC prics are going down to $2,200. 

So my questions are not about what I think, but instead asking you about what you think, why and what you are doing about it, and instead of attempting to respond, you just diverted into putting such burden on me - when my outlook seems to be different from yours and the reason for my approach seems to be different from yours, too - even if we might happen to be following a similar strategy.  Furthermore, I do not have any strong presumptions that the BTC price is going down, and I especially think that any targeting of $2,200 would be quite pie in the sky, even though there is a chance that such price could happen.. maybe less than 5% (concedingly that such odds of $2,200 are a bit higher now as compared with last week, but they still remain pretty low, in my humble bumble opinion).

I believe you and I still have sensibly a very similar trading strategy: Buy the coins on down trends and sell on up trends, but always with the attempt to accumulate more coins in the end. Simply put, profit on the up and make sure that you keep enough fiat available to BTFD.
Why did I pick the ~$2200?
Because anytime I state an opinion here, someone always desires some exact figure as if I have a crystal ball that denotes the price points at every buying opportunity as well as every selling opportunity.
Clearly Bitcoin is currently in a bear market, yes there are still outside forces of manipulation that make it difficult to run normal trend analysis. Alas the indicators are still showing low volume down trends.
Nine times out of ten the people that want to disagree with TA have no idea how even read a chart let alone make educated guesses to what the chart is reading.

Again I will say it. A chart only shows the past, it does not show the future. Lines drawn on a chart are temporary conclusions of past events.

There are currently larger forces in play right now. The BCH fiasco is becoming a much bigger detriment to the whole crypto-sphere, it is going to drive the price of all crypto assets lower.

Yes, I believe, that the price of crypto assets will see another ATH which is why I would buy them in the first place as the price declines. As random of a figure $2200 is, truly I see it as possibly going below this, but it is a good base to start my own hopium mining to see the price rise again.

Now remember you were asking for my thoughts on why not just buy at $2200. This price is not set in stone, it may get down only to $2700, if I waited to buy at $2200 I would never fill my coffers back up; Hence why I buy all the way down.

[Elwar]

Complete speculation but...

I believe that Craig Wright signed a very large monetary deal with some investors after giving them the impression that he was Satoshi and that he could not release his BTC until 2020.

Whatever deal this is, he is desperate to get as many bitcoins as he can before then. He tried to make BCH the "real bitcoin" but that didn't work...so now just make up some fear about Segwit the he will "reveal in 2019" to drive down the price so he can get as many coins as possible to fulfill his part of the deal. Looks like he needs the price to drop to around $1k to be able to pull that off. Not going to happen.

[Hexah]

Mama: Trash that fvcking forks...

[PoolMinor]

Complete speculation but...

I believe that Craig Wright signed a very large monetary deal with some investors after giving them the impression that he was Satoshi and that he could not release his BTC until 2020.

Whatever deal this is, he is desperate to get as many bitcoins as he can before then. He tried to make BCH the "real bitcoin" but that didn't work...so now just make up some fear about Segwit the he will "reveal in 2019" to drive down the price so he can get as many coins as possible to fulfill his part of the deal. Looks like he needs the price to drop to around $1k to be able to pull that off. Not going to happen.

There is no FUD on segwit, the threat is real. Perhaps do some reading on the subject?

[JayJuanGee]

Complete speculation but...

I believe that Craig Wright signed a very large monetary deal with some investors after giving them the impression that he was Satoshi and that he could not release his BTC until 2020.

Whatever deal this is, he is desperate to get as many bitcoins as he can before then. He tried to make BCH the "real bitcoin" but that didn't work...so now just make up some fear about Segwit the he will "reveal in 2019" to drive down the price so he can get as many coins as possible to fulfill his part of the deal. Looks like he needs the price to drop to around $1k to be able to pull that off. Not going to happen.

I don't believe that.

How the fuck could that obvious conartist get anyone to believe him about anything unless 1) they are just dumb as fuck, or 2) they just have nefarious purposes, so they don't really believe him, but they believe that whatever shit-stirring that he knows he is doing happens to align with their common desire to stir shit.

[Searing]

the catch is either BTC is going to eventually come back ..even if only at 5% or 10% a year as more a 'normal' investment (ie sideways like gold maybe even)

or we are toast...I mean kaput...an centralized coins take up the void in the future and 'banker's rule' again

So I HODL and 'attic mine" (sell crap in the attic on eBay I normally would die with anyway ...and xfer to BTC)

home mining is dead...I have no 'balls' for big equipment and data hall purchases anymore (crypto shell-shocked I am, don't ya know)

ASSUMING that these BTC prices are LOW...the above makes a 'world of sense' especially if BTC goes back above 10k someday...I will look like a genius...

my alternate reality is below:

if I stop believing that, I shall then go to my backup plan of 'panicking like a 4-year-old being sent so pre-school on the bus' and SELL, SELL, SELL...trampling

women, children, and puppies on my way to abandoning ship.. Feels like for the last 4 months I've been re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic anyway,

with this sideways price current...figures, there might be an Iceberg, just to 'liven up my life'

I suspect anything below 4k BTC is my 'snapping point' Actually to be clear anything below 4k IS my 'freak out' point....I'd dump 1/2 my stash for sure then.

(we who run away also serve humanity...and who step up to repopulate the tribe when all the 'hero's die'...hey....it's an angle)

IF all crypto goes tulips...I have a GOT (go to hell plan) to become a 'minimalist' and get myself one of those 'tiny homes' and live with a lot less...

(seems prudent in that before BTC and crypto ..that was pretty much likely going to be my previous crypto lifestyle...so hell, it will be one big circle then...embrace the

poverty)

'these are the times, that try men's souls', Thomas Paine

brad

[JayJuanGee]

Complete speculation but...

I believe that Craig Wright signed a very large monetary deal with some investors after giving them the impression that he was Satoshi and that he could not release his BTC until 2020.

Whatever deal this is, he is desperate to get as many bitcoins as he can before then. He tried to make BCH the "real bitcoin" but that didn't work...so now just make up some fear about Segwit the he will "reveal in 2019" to drive down the price so he can get as many coins as possible to fulfill his part of the deal. Looks like he needs the price to drop to around $1k to be able to pull that off. Not going to happen.

There is no FUD on segwit, the threat is real. Perhaps do some reading on the subject?

Not back to this topic? 

Remember anunymint had a hard-on for this baloney topic, and such topic played here for at least a couple of weeks?

We've seen the topic here, and you want to play around with that mostly nonsense FUD spreading topic some more?

[HairyMaclairy]

Complete speculation but...

I believe that Craig Wright signed a very large monetary deal with some investors after giving them the impression that he was Satoshi and that he could not release his BTC until 2020.

Whatever deal this is, he is desperate to get as many bitcoins as he can before then. He tried to make BCH the "real bitcoin" but that didn't work...so now just make up some fear about Segwit the he will "reveal in 2019" to drive down the price so he can get as many coins as possible to fulfill his part of the deal. Looks like he needs the price to drop to around $1k to be able to pull that off. Not going to happen.

There is no FUD on segwit, the threat is real. Perhaps do some reading on the subject?

The likelihood of the chain reverting to a pre-segwit state is the same as the likelihood of a POW change.  Not going to happen.   Unlike Bcash, we the people, run full validation nodes, that include segwit.

Go ahead and fork with “anyone can spend” and see how far you get.  UASF showed the economic strength of the users.

[jojo69]

Hairy


log scale my man

that is all

?  It is log.  Just Y axis compressed in this view

how far back are you going?  $2  ??

[HairyMaclairy]

Yes long term trend line back to $2, anchored in the cryptowinter.

[Searing]

Complete speculation but...

I believe that Craig Wright signed a very large monetary deal with some investors after giving them the impression that he was Satoshi and that he could not release his BTC until 2020.

Whatever deal this is, he is desperate to get as many bitcoins as he can before then. He tried to make BCH the "real bitcoin" but that didn't work...so now just make up some fear about Segwit the he will "reveal in 2019" to drive down the price so he can get as many coins as possible to fulfill his part of the deal. Looks like he needs the price to drop to around $1k to be able to pull that off. Not going to happen.

There is no FUD on segwit, the threat is real. Perhaps do some reading on the subject?

Not back to this topic? 

Remember anunymint had a hard-on for this baloney topic, and such topic played here for at least a couple of weeks?

We've seen the topic here, and you want to play around with that mostly nonsense FUD spreading topic some more?

It is unlikely that he is part of the Satoshi Group...as it is known...lying and scrambling to cover your megalomanic lies/bets would be a logical way to try

and FUDGE your way into fame or in his case infamy... whatever works to stoke the 'megalomania' don't  ya know But again him being part of a Satoshi group

1 out of 20. Him actually coming up with and being Satoshi on his own 1 in 100,000. IMHO. Whatever I got to admit Craig Wright never can seem to get past his

own ego or compromise on any topic of any kind...if he can have a good spat and mouth off..so again IMHO, megalomania is his curse indeed...

[JayJuanGee]

Yes long term trend line back to $2, anchored in the cryptowinter.

Whoa......??.....

That's pretty hardball, there.  ...??...za!!!

[d_eddie]

European Central Bank Exec Calls Bitcoin the 'Evil Spawn of the Financial Crisis'

https://cointelegraph.com/news/european-central-bank-exec-calls-bitcoin-the-evil-spawn-of-the-financial-crisis

Difficult state, moment of doubt. Yet, bitcoin can elicit passionate smearing from TPTB.

Bullish.

[jojo69]

Yes

hard core dude